Trab Freedom Backcountry Ski – Quiver Arrow


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | May 16, 2013      

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14 Responses to “Trab Freedom Backcountry Ski – Quiver Arrow”

  1. John May 16th, 2013 10:16 am

    Bob,
    How do they compare to the Volare? They appear to be similar to the Movement Logic X which I have skied for 4 seasons. Have you skied the Logic X?
    I will be recieving 2014 185 cm Movement Shifts 137-98-125 1550gm next week, and can hopefully get a few days on them before the snow is gone.

  2. Rob May 16th, 2013 10:26 am
  3. Bob Perlmutter May 16th, 2013 2:44 pm

    Forget the Freedom, I’ll take the “63” Sedan. I have a pair of Volare so that comparison was in the fore front of my mind. The Freedom is more agile, quick and lively than the Volare. It has a shorter turn radius. On the other hand, the Volare by virtue of greater width works better in soft and variable snow. My first thought was wouldn’t it be nice if they could make a wider version of the Freedom and still retain the shorter turn radius to achieve the best of both worlds. The other thing I like about the Freedom is it does not have that crazy Volare skin attachment system. Not only is that system cumbersome but the tip hardware tends to be a snow catch in soft snow which causes the tip to build up with snow and get pulled under. Where is that arranged marriage when we need it?

  4. Lou Dawson May 16th, 2013 3:56 pm

    Bob, am loading the shotgun. Of course, Trabuki already probably has some “Italian” connections so we’d better ask him first!

  5. David B May 16th, 2013 4:01 pm

    Interesting Bob, I have a pair of Trab Stelvio Freeride XL’s which I love BUT I spend half my time in Aust/NZ and the other half in Japan.

    It sounds like the Freedoms suffer the same soft snow performance issues as the Stelvios. As stated I do love them but I started thinking a couple of years ago, I wish Trab would throw in some rocker etc. That is what set me on course of discovery ending in a beautiful DPS relationship.

    IMO you can’t beat pure carbon fibre construction and Trab make a beautifully crafted ski BUT.

    I really thought their next iteration would contain modern ski dynamics BUT not to be.

    Disclosure, I am now the Aust/NZ rep for DPS, thanks in no small way to Trab and Wildsnow. Thanks Lou

  6. Bill May 16th, 2013 5:12 pm

    Bob

    I cannot picture how the Volare tip is catching snow?
    I use the polvere with the same attachment as on a freerando.
    ( shock cord and stop as the rando racers do),
    I have never seen any issue with it.

  7. Tetonrick May 16th, 2013 11:17 pm

    Good review and the charts are great. But what is a good example of a ski mountaineering ski that does have some rocker and or early rise for variable snow ease but capable of skiing hard snow on alpine routes?

  8. Bob Perlmutter May 16th, 2013 11:59 pm

    Bill, the problem is not when skinning but when skiing soft snow. In the case of the Volare it is the plastic piece that is part of the skin attachment system. It is screwed into and projects a bit off the tip of the ski leaving a small space between the plastic piece and the actual tip of the ski. The plastic piece is a veritable cow catcher and combined with the small space acts as a scoop which holds any snow that is less than perfect Utah low density powder. I’m tempted to unscrew the plastic piece and go with a traditional tip loop skin. In fact, you just talked me into it.

  9. Bob Perlmutter May 17th, 2013 12:05 am

    Tetonrick, the wise guy answer to your question would be a quiver. I’m going to leave that one alone at the risk of sounding like an advertisement if I were to answer. I’d love to hear other people’s thoughts on that one and will no doubt pipe in at some point.

  10. Daniel May 17th, 2013 2:05 am

    tetontrick,

    for me that ski is my 181 k2 backlash, which is still quite a bit patterned after the mt baker but with rocker. great all around touring and sidecountry ski for the highly variable conditions in the alps. its follower, the sideshow, seems to be more forward mounted and shorter turn radius, matter of taste i guess.

    for me, the 250g or so per ski weight penalty of the metal layers in teh backlash are well worth it. i also had the wayback, which would be the non metal option, but found that to be a bit flimsy in comparison.

  11. Lou Dawson May 17th, 2013 4:44 am

    K2 Wayback, same concept, has rocker, but not as light in comparison to other skis as it used to be.

  12. Bill May 17th, 2013 8:43 am

    I was never warm to the plastic clips on the Polvere and Volare.
    Have not had any issue with them in use, but seems clunky.
    I cut a notch in my wife,s Tour rando Xl,s for the the tip loop.
    Bob you may have convinced me to do the same for my skis.
    By the way, my wife loves her 150 tour rando Xl,s. At 100 lbs, it was hard find a ski for her. Once she hopped on these she told me they ski as good as her 92mm waisted k2 paybacks with way less weight.
    I know trab salesmen are talking about early rise on the Trab Maestro and Magico. I am interested to see. As a slow skier I do not want to see Trab loose the excellent touring and response to subtle input. Most the skiing I do involves slow techinical sections that you just cannot let go on and the Trabs really shine on this.I just like to stay away from the doctor.
    I could not figure out why crampon sales rocketed this year until a guy told me it was the fat rockered skis are so unstable skinning.
    He told me splitboarders do not like rocker do to the poor stability in skinning.

  13. David B May 19th, 2013 6:56 pm

    Tetonrick,

    Unlike Bob, I might sound like an advertisement but the DPS Wailer99 Pure3 is a great option.

    DPS have added a third titanial stringer and perimeter weighting to their 13/14 range and this has greatly improved their hard snow performance and their crud busting performance.

    Check them out.

  14. Christian May 23rd, 2013 2:19 am

    Movement x-bond could be an alternative with rocker, but probably suffer some of the same. I have gone from bond to g3 saint – and the change was as expected: heavier on the way up, but more stable when going down, and more power to power through crud. What is best, really depends on personal preference and tour length.

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