All Other Skis Have a Lead Core


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | April 5, 2007      

Update: Finished mounting the Goode skis today. Basically a PITA, hopefully worth it. Tough to get the screws the exact length without a ski shop screw selection. Also sensitive to screw stripping, as if there really isn’t a binding mount plate (especially in the rear mount area).I used enough epoxy to float the Titanic, so hopefully everything will hold together.

Reminded me of the old days mounting Hexel honey comb core skis. I went out and bought a few veterinary syringes with fat needles. You load the epoxy in one of those and inject the holes — much better than trying to squeegee the goo in with a chunk of cardboard. Forgot one key item, however, 5 minute epoxy hardens too quick and you go through a lot of syringes. I’ll use one-hour next time.

Goode backcountry skis.
The feather skis be mounted. With bindings, one ski: 52 ounces, 1472 grams. That’s one of Lisa’s new Scarpa Star Lite boots. Should we grind some sole material off or not? Lightweight addiction.

Goode backcountry skis.
Goode skis for the backcountry?

New planks in the family: A pair of Goode Carbon 95 skis (AKA BC 95), by far the lightest skis of their width available on the planet. To do justice, last evening I stripped down a set of Dynafit Vertical bindings by removing the crampon mount and the long plastic tab on the heel unit that supports the brake (we won’t be using Dynafit crampons or brakes with this setup.)

The skis came with a plastic spacer on the binding mount area to prevent longer binding screws from damaging the ski. We removed these (2.7 ounces each) but doing so left an unsightly band of adhesive on the ski that takes time to strip, so that’s why you see it in the photo.

What’s wild about these boards is they weigh in at 38.1 ounces per 162 cm ski, that’s a full 10 ounces lighter per ski than the 162 cm Miras that Lisa has been skiing on. An amazing weight reduction — and they’re even quite a bit fatter! Wider skins will mitigate the weight savings by a few ounces, but it is still significant.

Will they ski? Full report soon.



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15 Responses to “All Other Skis Have a Lead Core”

  1. Kevin April 5th, 2007 8:12 am

    I believe that this is the ski that Greg Hill skis on, and he seems to have no problem going up or down on them. Way to score Lou! I love how light they are, but they certainly are not cheap. Will look forward to hearing how they ski.

  2. Pierce April 5th, 2007 3:03 pm

    Nice pick-up, Lou. I’ll be interested to see how you guys like them. I’m on my second pair of Goodes, and they are certainly unique skis. I had a pair of demo C95s last season, but the cap seperated from the base behind the binding on one ski. Hard to say why, as they were used when I got them, and were mounted with naxo 01s, which I think contributed. Naxos get whacked on quite a bit to raise the climbing posts and to switch between ski and tour mode, which could have put a lot of stress on the ski. Goode sent me a brand new pair of Vision 96s, which are pretty similar to the 95s overall, and I used them for all of my spring steeps last year. They are very nice on the back while on crampons! I peeled up a piece of sidewall on a rock early season and had Goode fix them for me. They are now my long-tour skis, mounted again with naxos so I can fly on the flat approaches. I probably have about 50 days total on both pairs of skis. Here are my overall impressions: They are silly-light. You will be amazed every time you pick them up, even after a year! A ski this light makes some compromises, IMHO, in the area of stability at high speed in choppy snow, but not as bad as you might expect. The only time they felt real squirrely was in dead dog coulior in 5″ of new snow over frozen avi debris, if that gives you an idea. Carbon fiber has different properties than any other ski material, for sure. Expect to take a little time to learn the flex and center of the skis. The skis are quite stiff, both front to back and torsionally. The edge hold is fantastic for a ski this wide and light. My first day on my 95s was on touring gear opening day at Loveland, and I was able to carve high-speed turns without slipping or chatter on bulletproof ice. They are incredibly damp in this respect. You don’t get that springy feeling in powder that a wood or foam core gives you as a result of the CF, but 95mm under foot helps you float nicely. I’m pretty hard on gear, so I’m sure that has something to do with my breakages, but don’t expect the cap of the ski to hold up to extreme abuse like a woodcore ski. I expect these to be excellent rando race skis and am surprised more racers aren’t using them. Good luck, have fun with them, and let me know how they work out for you.

  3. Anthony Rabinowitz April 5th, 2007 7:03 pm

    I have also heard that the Goode’s aren’t the most durable design. I would like to see how they hold up for you, Lou.

  4. Lou April 5th, 2007 8:11 pm

    My wife is the one who’ll be using them, though I’ll get out on them for a few test runs. I’m still partial to my Dynafit 7 Summits, Atomic Kongurs and Trabs. But the Goode weight could cause a change in tester bias (grin).

  5. steve April 5th, 2007 9:59 pm

    Get some syringes from West System. Let the leftover epoxy will dry in it and it will pop out so you can reuse them. Tupperware is great for mixing because it can also be reused. Just don’t try to slip it back into the kitchen.

  6. Mark April 6th, 2007 6:47 am

    I skied the Carbon 95 recently, and though they were short (165ish), I liked the way they felt. Carbon is unique for sure–and very noticeably light. Also skied the Carbon 85 in a more normal length. Either of these would be incredible for touring due to low weight.

  7. Lisa April 6th, 2007 7:59 am

    I skinned up Ajax and skied the Goodes this morning and they are SWEET!!! I shaved 7 minutes off my time for a personal best of 1 hour 23 minutes (although I was shooting for 1.20). Thanks Lou and Louie for staying up late last night to mount the bindings and cut the skins. More later…gotta get to work.

  8. Terry April 6th, 2007 4:18 pm

    I bought a pair of Goode Vision 96’s last week – the ski that Greg Hill uses for touring. Haven’t had a chance to try them out yet. Am looking forward to being on such a light ski, and reading what you and Lisa think, Lou.

    I also removed the plastic binding plate and emailed Goode to ask what they recommend to get that adhesive and foam off. Don’t want to use any solvents that might affect the carbon fiber (and warrantee). Here’s their reply:

    “We use 2 different products for adhesive removal (either one works). 3M makes a spray adhesive remover (citrus based, stock #62-4667-4930-6. It’s expensive, but works well. Most people use Goo Gone from Pro Power (also citrus-based). It’s a yellow liquid in a 32-oz bottle. Stock #GZ92 http://www.googone.com

  9. Michael Ellis August 23rd, 2007 5:24 pm

    I got a pair of Vision 96 in 185 cm length mounted with comforts as a get-well gift following shoulder surgery in February. I finally got to try them out in late April in spring conditions in the Olympic Range in WA state. I have since used them exclusively for our Turns-All-Year spring and summer tours on the local volcanoes. They are great skis. In spring alpine snow with moderate sun cups they are a delight. Frozen chicken heads do toss them around a little but once you experience them it is easy to compensate (turn more). Turning is effortless because of the light weight and pedal turns come naturally on the steeps. The edge is inviolate because of the torsional rigidity. I have had to ski not to fall and, with the exception of breakable crust, they have proven trustworthy. I think i am hooked on one of the most expensive skis on the market. I hope they last when I up the pace this winter!! So far so good but the topsheets already have a few good gashes and the tip protectors are seeing a lot of service. I am taking them to Las Lenas in September and will have an early season report on their winter performance.

  10. Michael Ellis September 27th, 2007 9:22 pm

    Back from Las Lenas and 7days on the Goode Vision 96’s. During the trip I skied on every type of snow except deep powder. The skis handled anything soft well but faltered on steep bullet proof ice (maybe due to the soft At boots and dynafit bindings) I used 4 year old Megarides which are a bit beat up and soft. The snow types were as follows:
    dust on crust on and off piste.
    bullet proof piste with patches of water ice.
    natural wind effect with penitentes and frozen chicken heads
    light boot top powder
    wind affected powder with wind crust
    corn
    slush

    The skies handled everything but the bullet proof ice, and wind crust adequately. They excelled in corn and slushy off piste bumps. They hooked badly in the wind crust and required hop turns in the coral reef hard pack in the high alpine. Excellent in boot top powder.

    My conclusing is that the Vision 96 is a powder and crud ski. I weigh 205 lbs and felt confident at speed in anything soft. The biggest dissapointment was the wind buffed powder which caused the tips to catch and hook making the turns tentative. The torsional and overall stiffness may have the blame for this problem but also the sidecut extends well up to the shovel. They have good pop and feel lively and damp at the same time. My other fat skis (Line Motherships 182 and Armada Jp V Juliens 191) handle the wind pack better but are equally if not more dfficult on hard ice. Definately a quiver ski but better than I expected based on all the negative reviews. A stiffer boot and alpine binding may help in the hardpack. They didn’t even break and seemed to take plenty of abuse well.

    For the record, I have bee skiing for 45 years and in the last ten years have focused on the backcountry. My recent skis were 200 cm Snow Rangers, 206 cm Dynastar G9’s, 194 Dynastar 4X4 Bigs (with flames on the tips), 182 Line Motherhips without metal, and 191 Armada Jp V Juliens. I ski fast and smooth but am comming off a major shoulder injury which shook the confidence.

  11. Pat February 16th, 2009 8:16 am

    Lou & Lisa,
    How about an update on the Goodes? I’m thinking of getting a pair specifically for a ski mountaineering ski, but I hear bad things about their durability. Is the silence on the Goodes a polite way of giving a negative long-term review? If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything?

  12. Lou February 16th, 2009 3:04 pm

    Pat, the Goodes are holding up amazingly well. Lisa jammed her tails in ice while at Sunlight and split a tail, but I epoxied back together and they’re doing fine. Not sure we can address durability that well as Lisa is just not that hard on skis. Just know Lisa is still using them and they are still her favorites. I’ll probably pick up a pair myself, but I like the other skis I’m using and they’re really not all that much heavier (at least that’s what I keep telling myself).

  13. Sapata November 28th, 2009 6:16 am

    Lou, what skins are you using with those skis? Not every skin attachment system works with those skis because of the plastic tip of the Goodes. I tried G3 Alpinist but they didn’t fit.

  14. Don November 29th, 2009 11:49 am

    I have been tele skiing on a pair of Goode skis for three years, about 30 days a season. They show no signs of wear or falling apart.

    I ski mostly A-Basin, which can have the whole gamete of conditions in a single day and these skis are absolutely terrific in every way.

    They do not chatter on ice, just dig in and carve…they float through powder, and offer quick and responsive turns in all conditions.

    I have both Black Diamond and K-2 skis in my quiver, and when I want to have a great day or am skiing with a competitive friend and need an extra advantage, it is the Goode Skis I put on.

    The amazing thing is the weight…it you are in Vail or Breck and have to carry your skis a ways to get to the lift, these are wonderful.

    After 53 seasons, I can say these are my favorites skis…

  15. Scott Davenport March 24th, 2010 4:25 pm

    Hi Lou,
    Is there a local dealer for the Goode skis or do you have to buy them from Goode direct. I’m having trouble getting a straight answer from them. I am probably asking the wrong questions. I’m from WA and they tell me no dealers in WA.
    Thanks,
    Scott

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