In the new Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka, we see a big puffy not overburdened with heft but, at the same time, not cursed with the weight-saving zeitgeist of the times. The jacket has a job to do: keep you warm and hold up. It does that. The build is near perfect in coupling durability, function, and a reasonable weight.
Note: Thanks to Aidan Whitelaw for giving the jacket a many-months beat-down and providing review feedback.
Pun intended: we are getting down, way down, with the new, soon-to-be-released Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka. As puffies go, this is on the very puffy end of the spectrum; think of this as an on-route belay or digging-pits jacket that could, with the right layering system, tag along for a ski tour up the Big One in Alaska or suffice for an open-air bivy.
First, some justification; we got some pushback when we published a piece last season titled: Emergency Layers for Backcountry Travel. None of the folks I tour with stow a mega-puffy (synthetic or down) in their packs in the event it hits the fan. We mainly carry lighter weight down or synthetic puffies mid-winter for extra insulation. That’s not to say we believe we are being reckless, nor to say we feel we know what’s best for others. However, with that in mind, we looked at two mega down puffies that, under the right circumstances, a backcountry skier or rider might stuff in their pack.
(We will also review The North Face Summit L6 Cloud Down Parka — which has been replaced by what appears to be the same parka with a new name; the North Face Pumori Down Parka.)
Fill Weight: No fill weight specified — but lots of other variables to consider beyond fill weight.
Down: 800-fill-power RDS certified 100% virgin goose down (this jacket is not down-insufficient).
Front Zipper: Two-way and a reliable YKK zipper.
Pockets: Two large chest pockets (near center), two front hand pockets; all zippered, and two internal drop-in pockets.
Hood: Fitted for over helmet, single draw-cord to cinch down, baffled design for warmth.
Fabric: 3.7-oz 20-denier 3D Weave 100% recycled nylon with a ripstop face and a plain-weave main body liner; with a PFC-free DWR finish.
Weight: (M) 676g w/stuffsack.
I’ll get any shade I might toss toward the Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka out of the way first. As a big down parka, and one with a sufficiently durable face fabric, you have a few lighter options out there. But remember, seek a durable big puffy; you want these items to last years.
The Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka packs down, but as many of these jackets do, it takes up space in the pack: it’s best if you have a 40L ski pack to ensure you’ve got the extra space for puffy stashing. And the jacket is warm — very warm — but is it possible to go warmer if you are heading to 8000m? It is. But the AlpLoft is the real deal, which Linden Mallory, head of Patagonia’s alpine line, calls a 6000m to 7000m jacket. I’m covered nearly twofold since Mt Hood, Oregon’s tallest peak, reaches 3,426 meters. And I mean, we have lots of Colorado readers; still covered, 14k equates to ~4267meters.
Otherwise, the AlpLoft Down Parka is a jacket that should last well beyond a decade (maybe two) of abuse. My last big puffy was a firstish gen Patagonia Fitz Roy that remains well-loved and has a new home with my neighbor. I purchased that piece in 2008, and it still rolls onward.
Here’s how the AlpLoft functions in a nutshell:
— As a basecamp jacket: high praise.
— As an on-route belay jacket: high praise. (I shared this piece with the older child who ice climbed plenty with the AlpLoft.)
— As a layer to warm the core during long transitions: high praise
— As a kick-back-and-enjoy-the-view-from-the-summit-puffy-but-it’s- &%$#*!! cold: all hail type praise.
The other aspect of the AlpLoft Down Parka that shines is the pockets. The two hand pockets are out of the way of most waistbelts.The two near-center chest pockets (borrowed from the venerable and we think discontinued Grade VII) are priceless for stashing a phone, lip balm, liner gloves, an extra hat, and even a compact camera. The chest pockets are voluminous.
The back has a slight drop hem to cover the bum, and the waist hem adjusts via cord locks in the hand pockets. Along the lines of keeping the elements out and the warmth in, a burly “kissing” draft tube runs the entire length of the front zip, and it works. (Most often, down jackets offer a draft tube on a single side — this feature just highlights Patagonia’s keen attention to detail in designing the AlpLoft Down Parka.)
Zip up all the way, and a generous draft collar protects the hairs on your chinny chin chin. Up top, a baffled and adjustable hood fits over a helmet, or otherwise, sans helmet, maintains a toasty noggin. Not to forget, the front zipper is two-way — a favorite of harness-wearing climbers/skiers and a feature I’ve come to love as a skier. It offers another means to dump heat without fully unzipping the jacket.
Internally, two drop pockets offer more internal storage. The drop pockets can secure a liter Nalgene for those AK climbers, and there’s ample room for gloves, hats, etc. The sleeves have elasticized cuffs and are easy on and easy off.
The Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka can put up with a beating. The 3.7-oz 20-D outer fabric is perfect for the dual tasks of keeping the weight manageable and the durability high. I’ve made a mistake in the past of opting for an uber-lightweight outer fabric which amounted to adding plenty of duct tape and Tenacious Tape to seal rips on an all too frequent basis. The zippers are full-value YKK zips — zipping and unzipping do not require a dainty effort for fear of blowing out teeth or the box and pin at the zipper’s base. Solid zipper function is essential; the designers understand this and don’t feel obligated to cut corners. Further, the baffles are 2.5? wide. This dimension, according to Patagonia, optimizes warmth.
In the Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka, we see a big puffy not overburdened with heft but, at the same time, not cursed with the weight-saving zeitgeist of the times. The jacket has a job to do: keep you warm and hold up. It does that. The build is near perfect in coupling durability, function, and a reasonable weight.
Waterproofness is as expected. A PFC-free DWR beads water. But we did not test the jacket in a downpour. It was, however, used recently as an overkill piece for drinking a few beverages during a steady drizzle. The outer fabric shed the drizzle, and the down remained dry. On multi-day trips in Montana, the jacket kept its loft and did not wet out. It’s possible to use this jacket as a layer to bulk up a light sleeping bag’s temp rating too. This is not the jacket to wear as active insulation on the skintrack unless you’re planning an early-season Mt. Vinson jaunt. Just in case you missed the memo, we recommend down outerwear for dryer climates. If you need a big puffy for wetter climates, check out synthetic-filled puffies.
The AlpLoft’s Build
There are many good and reliable down jackets out there. But what, besides the orange-creamsicle-themed color, sets this jacket apart?
For the most part, the jacket possesses few visible seams or stitching. More traditional down jackets rely on stitch-through construction to separate the down chambers (the face and liner fabric are literally stitched together), which is far simpler but leaves many cold spots. The stitching also leaves the face fabric more prone to loose threads, durability issues, and compromised weatherproofing. More modern baffled jackets use a “box wall” construction. Think of this as a series of small chambers holding the down in place without the face and liner fabric sewn together. The down has more space to loft (keeping you warmer).
Here’s Patagonia’s Mallory with an explainer: “The way that baffling construction is typically done is you have your face fabric, you have your liner fabric, and then you have a third piece of fabric, which is stitched to both the liner and the face to create that horizontal middle layer known as the box baffle. The stitching does a great job of holding that horizontal baffle in place. What it does, though, is it perforates the outer shell, so you get a slight loss of performance, slight but noticeable.”
Mallory says the stitch lines create holes, allow heat to escape, and affect weather protection. “When you’re ski touring, and it’s 35 degrees in pretty humid air, you start to rhyme up. Look down at your jacket — that rhyme collects on all of your quilt lines. So it’s another opportunity for moisture to get into the garment.”
Patagonia’s Grade VII down parka uses more elegant construction methods in the core of the garment to prevent perforating the face fabric.
“That jacket, the Grade VII, uses a pretty clever construction process where we sew that baffle to a piece of tape, like you might see on the inside of a hard shell, and then we tape that piece to the shell of the product. So we get the baffle, but there’s no puncture in the outer shell. This uses a little bit more work to build, but because there are no mechanical holes, there’s better weather protection again.”
Mallory says the Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka borrows from what they learned from the Grade VII, with the AlpLoft’s construction even more elegant in its construction, which means better overall performance and longevity.
I’ll try to wrap my brain around this 3-D puzzle. Patagonia constructs the AlpLoft’s baffles without seams or stitching between the liner (middle layer) and the inner baffle (the part of the baffle facing your chest). Mallory says the fabrics are woven together as a unit to create the baffle. The same method is used for the front-facing part of the baffle. OK, get ready for some more down-parka mental gymnastics.
“And so what we’ve done is create a material ‘package’ that is fully baffled. The jacket you’re holding in your hand is one piece of material: the face, and the liner in that baffle, are all linked. The best analogy that I have is cardboard. If you open up a cardboard box and look at the corrugated part, you have the two flat parts, and then there’s a ridgeline. That’s what the profile of the Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka looks like if you were to cut it open and clear away the feathers. And it’s done by essentially weaving three pieces of material at the same time.”
And according to Mallory, at the product’s end of life, it’s easier to recycle, and the construction doesn’t require glues that in the past required costly and environmentally unsound refrigeration in hot, humid places like Vietnam, where Patagonia outsources some of its production.
Further, Mallory notes the construction method minimizes the traditional failure mechanisms — in other words, the jacket should last a long time.
In the hands of product testers, Mallory explained the jacket evolved not as a “here’s what this piece is for,” which can be prescriptive, but with the underlying ethos of asking testers how they were using the jacket and then optimizing for those uses.
Lofty AlpLoft Final Thoughts
This jacket isn’t so bulky that you’d never bring it backcountry skiing. For those wanting a big down puffy for emergencies, this piece is a slam dunk. For those running cold and wanting to go big and warm and comfy — yup, no-brainer.
It’s wise to think of high-quality cold-weather down parkas as investments similar to a reliable down sleeping bag. Some expedition-style down sleeping bags, like a Feathered Friends unit, might run 750$ or more. I’ve still got my 30-year-old overstuffed expedition bag from Feathered Friends, and for the most part (the sleeping bag and dog had a minor wrestling match), the bag remains high functioning. I imagine Patagonia AlpLoft Down Parka like a high-quality sleeping bag: around for a long time and a staple of the cold weather kit. The initial upfront cost pays back over the long term with reliable warmth.
The AlpLoft is not Michelin-man bulky; the regular fit is slim enough to wear around and not feel like you’re burdened like Randy (Ralphie’s younger brother) in his snowsuit in A Christmas Story. Had Randy stormed Roger’s Pass on a cold-cold day or eyed a ski line deep in the Central Alaska Range, he could have used an AlpLoft. The AlpLoft Down Parka is a unisex piece; Patagonia recommends women size down one step to optimize fitting. The medium we sized fit great on 5’10” and 6’0” male skiers, while the large we tested and reviewed kept a 6’4” tester warm with the ability to layer over a Patagonia Houdini Jacket, a Patagonia R1 Hoody, and lightweight synthetic T.
Jason Albert comes to WildSnow from Bend, Oregon. After growing up on the East Coast, he migrated from Montana to Colorado and settled in Oregon. Simple pleasures are quiet and long days touring. His gray hair might stem from his first Grand Traverse in 2000 when rented leather boots and 210cm skis were not the speed weapons he had hoped for. Jason survived the transition from free-heel kool-aid drinker to faster and lighter (think AT), and safer, are better.
Hi Jason, can you give any comparison of the Alploft ($600) vs. Rab Reutrino Pro ($385)? It seems quite similar, with a big difference in price.
Hey Reed, the Neutrino Pro looks like a solid jacket and at a good precise point. The main difference is in the baffle construction. The Rab piece is “Stitch-through construction.” Not a deal breaker, but this is easier to manufacture at many levels and requires less design savvy and labor to construct; I’m sure this has to do with the lower price. Stitch through baffles are prone to more cold spots and its easier for the down to work out through the seams (albeit slowly) over time. The video from Rab states it is the warmest stitch through construction jacket they produce. These folks make great items so it might be worth a look. The AlpLoft piece has a more complex construction, and no stitch through baffles. Hope this helps.
A more applicable comparison might be the Positron Pro. Check out the Cumulus Neolite Endurance for a super great price to weight to warmth ration with a solid feature set.
If I’m buying a jacket to last 20 years it’s going to be black. Patagonia usually always offers black. Maybe just not for the first year? Gotta get noticed or there right?
That is a very solid point – my Fitz Roy was black. That said, I kind of like how light orange stains over time too. It’s been awhile since I looked at the Grade VII, but they came in some pretty basic colors over the years, I think black and blue last season, but I’m uncertain. The orange and light blue do make a splash for a first year introduction. My guess is the color palette morphs to something less catchy next season.
I’m still amazed that Patagonia, TNF, and sometimes Arc’teryx don’t post their down fill weights, whereas Rab, Feathered Friends and Mountain Equipment generally always do. Down fill weight, especially when coupled with the fill power, is the best way to judge a down jacket’s potential warmth, IMHO.
There’s a lot of backcountry enthusiasts who don’t have the luxury of having a dedicated gear shop within thirty miles of their home to try on, and and inspect an insulated jacket for potential use.
Thanks for the fantastic review / photos, I definitely appreciate it!
Just for clarification, it wasn’t “Ralphie” who wore the snowsuit; it was his little brother, “Randy.” ?
Oh man, I’m “unpacking” that I’ve gotten it wrong all these years: Randy not Ralphie. One has to imagine, though, that Randy’s one-piece suit was a hand-me-down. I’ll make that edit.
The fill weight stat is an interesting stat; most notably why it is not easily available across the industry. That said, the AlpLoft is one high quality (and warm) piece of gear. I live in Bend, lot’s of gear shops, most of which do not carry these bigger down coats for sizing and eyeing. The TNF mentioned in the review and the AlpLoft have accurate sizing relative to pieces I’ve used from these companies in the past.
Arcteryx often responds with fill weights in the A&A section of their site. I agree that this has become a crucial comparison point for me as well. Give me the fill weight of a size M and let me compare away!
Indeed, Jason, since you have the contact info for Patagonia, would you mind asking and adding the fill weight?
You are, of course, correct that fill volume (fill weight X fill power) alone is not the only determinant for warmth, but it sure is a good piece of the puzzle!
Especially as I have been burned in the past, buying jackets that looked like high loft in the pics, and turned out to be pretty minimally filled.
(Even after a through session in the dryer with a tennis ball).
Hi all, I have gone down the fill weight rabbit hole with AlpLoft. I’ve bounced it around a few folks but no info yet.
Seems like a cool parka. Good draft tubes and decent zippers are with their weight in gold,
I love the look of the Parka, but I am too messy of an eater (while winter camping) to wear orange. I had one in the past and it just looked disgusting, no matter how much I washed it.
Few detail questions:
Does the draw cord attache to the inside fabric or the outside?
Can you add a picture of the backside?
What are the cuffs like?
My photographer is out for the moment. I’ll add a backside shot from the Patagonia images. The cuffs are elasticized (high quality at that). The waist hem cinche draw cord is accessed from the interior of the waist hem. Helmet draft cord access from the rear of the hood (exterior).
About the draw rod, sorry, wi sant very clear. I went whether it is sewn to the outer shell fabric or the liner fabric?
The former means that when you pull it tight, you create a un-insulated line across your back.
Given all their efforts to prevent sewing pinholes etc, it would be ‘baffling’ (I’m a dad too) if they did that.
OK, I think we’ve got this. (Maybe) The draw cord is sewn into a nylon sleeve that appears, ultimately, to be sewn through the liner and face fabric. (You can see the sewn seam on the jacket’s face, it’s hard to discern from the interior.) The draw cord is sandwiched between two baffles, and the seam is very low on the jacket, just above the lowermost baffle. If there were a cold spot resulting from the seam, it would occur just above where the glute and upper thigh meet. If a Patagonia designer reads this and I have it wrong, please chime in.
Some other parka’s that would be worth the compare (same weight class) are the:
Grade VII that was reviewed here a while ago, 675g(S).
And the MHW Phantom Parka, claimed weight 619g (M?) and $400, often on sale for $240.
Almost 100% certain, but a wee bit uncertain, the Grade VII will be discontinued. That’s also a sweet piece of down and nylon.
Patagonia doesn’t list fill weights for the same reason Bose doesn’t list speaker specs – because if they had to compete toe to toe on hard numbers, they don’t do well. Instead, both brands rely on their brand – recognition, loyalty, general perception of quality – to overcome mediocre performance. I’m a huge Patagonia fan, and most of my wardrobe is Patagonia, but let’s face it, their down is ^%$*. The lack if fill weight data isn’t the problem, but it is the canary in the coal mine. To me, this looks like a 4000m parka with well-thought-out features that will wet out nearly instantly, and develop cold spots due to Patagonia’s chronic understuffing. As expected : /.
Thanks for the review. I was looking at buying a grade vii for a Denali trip and didn’t realize they had been discontinued. How does this compare in terms of warmth? Seems like it might not be quite as warm. From your review it sounds like this would still be a good Denali jacket.
From some info I’ve gathered, the Grade VII might be slightly warmer than the AlpLoft. That said a longtime Alaska Range alpinist says the AlpLoft should be a solid Denali jkt. I run cold, so for me, for example, I’d want the option of layering a lighter puffy under a big down jacket. I’m testing a 2023 Montane down jacket, very lightweight and minimalist, I can still layer it under the AlpLoft, which extends the range of the JKT. (Walking in 15 degree weather -not exactly Denali cold— with this setup, I brake a sweat.) So maybe size accordingly for another lightweight down layer underneath. As for the Grade VII, I suppose you could dig deep for a closeout, or find a used one on the Worn Wear site run by Patagonia. That said, I’m seeing a sweet deal on a Grade VII (medium) on ebay right now.
In a men’s medium, the AlpLoft contains 295 grams of 800-fill down. Confirmed vi Patagonia.
Hi, first thanks for the review! I wonder about the breathability of the jacket. Does the water-resistant fabric keep the humidity inside? Sometimes you need to wear a parka in between intense physical activity and to evacuate the inside moisture is a really good way to be comfortable. Thank you. Axel
Hey Axel, I’d say like most large belay jackets I’ve worn, the breathability (moisture transport) is not a key feature. I’ve worn the AlpLoft while exerting myself shoveling, easy (as in not really uphill) skinning, and warming up at a belay here and there. With the two-way zip, it easy to get some airflow to dump heat (which in your case may not be desired) but also move moisture. The face fabric is not Gore-Tex (or similar fabric) and is simply treated with a DWR. Thanks for reading.