2020/2021 ZED heel to left, viewed from beneath showing ski flex compensation spring.
Hi all. After we published the post below, G3 was kind enough to send us an updated ZED heel unit, due for distribution fall of 2020. The unit is nearly identical, with one possibly key change. They thickened the housing on one end of the spring, by 1.5 millimeters. This preloads the spring, and makes an easily tested/verified difference in spring rate. Along with that, G3 reduced the flex compensation travel distance ~2.8 mm, from ~9.6 mm to ~6.8 mm. In theory, both these changes will reduce the likelihood of annoying heel unit movement while in touring mode (see video near bottom of post.) Moreover, I suspect the new spring might be a bit stiffer, but additional pre-loading, compared to previous configuration, might be the more important operative mechanism here.
So, how did the spring rate measure out in comparison to the 2019/20 version of the ZED heel? Check our spreadsheet windowed below. In summary: 19/20 averages ~67.6, while 20/21 averages ~94.3. That’s a ~72% increase! Will this fix the problem some skiers have with this shifting/movement? Read on.
In our original blog post below, we determined that the geometry of the heel lifter is likely the primary cause of the heel unit movement. But a stiffer spring will no doubt help. SO I TESTED. The 19/20 version moved in my opinion all too easily, even with my below average body weight and no backpack. The 20/21 version moves as well, but MUCH LESS EASILY (and with less maximum possible distance). Movement was imperceptible when I made a normal, simulated stride. If I stomped my heel down somewhat gently, still no obvious movement. When I came down hard, movement.
CONCLUSION: I think this new version will be fine for anyone on the lighter side of the body weight curve, while brutes should demo the binding before committing. Beyond that, I wish G3 had at least somewhat changed the shape of the heel lifters. Perhaps that’ll still happen, they’re easy to swap out. For proof of concept see the following experimental mod, as well as another mod near the bottom of this post:
Modified ZED. Can you guess the heel lifter donor?
Important note regarding the ZED changes. Any aficionado of tech bindings will find it ironic that the ZED travel, created by a complex spring and housing configuration, is now 6.8 millimeters. Why? The original tech binding design provided ski flex compensation by providing a gap between the boot heel and binding, along with allowing the boot heel fittings to slide fore/aft on the binding heel pins. We’ve come to call this the “tech gap.” Some tech gaps were about 6 millimeters, and binding/boot combo could easily be built to that, or in my opinion a few millimeters more. Granted, a smooth, reliable spring such as that of the ZED, many other touring bindings, and all alpine bindings, is the standard of ski binding engineering. But one wonders (as I ruminate on below as well), why not just provide an old style tech gap and be done with it? The answer to that question involves everything from product liability to ISO/DIN politics. Another blog post? We shall see.
ORIGINAL POST BELOW
I’m not sure what to call this thing. Commentators, ideas?
Someone asked for it. I geeked out. At least that’s the vague recollection sifting through the maze of load cells and digital calipers here in the Wildsnow skunk works.
It began with G3, as some skiers experience an annoying rearward shifting in the ZED heel unit when they tour, due to the flex compensation spring compressing (perhaps combined with the shape of the heel lifters, and boot sole). The theory bandied about: “G3 spring is softer than normal.” A theory. Time to measure things, test, and develop a data-supported opinion about what’s going on.
Underside of G3 ZED, showing flex compensation spring. For those of you who’ve lived in a snowcave for the past twelve years, know that any ski binding has to somehow allow for ski flex shortening the distance between the heel and toe units of the binding. The simplest tech bindings accomplish this with an air gap (tech gap) behind the boot heel. Other, more complex bindings, including alpine bindings, place the heel unit on a track, with a spring that allows movement while keeping the heel unit in position.
At first, I planned a simple yank on the bindings and through a process of gut feeling, or perhaps a load cell, gain a sense of the force required to compress the flex compensation spring. That seemed crude — the kind of thing that would get me some something along the lines of a hockey puck to the face from certain Canadian individuals. So I researched the basic calculation for “spring rate,” which is how the “stiffness” of a spring is expressed as a number. Using my trusty desktop box of silicon and copper, I found a basic formula for spring rate, really basic, just force divided by distance, providing a number that allows comparison between different springs.
Test rig, showing the sophisticated windlass.
Using a chunk of 2×6 inch framing lumber as a foundation, I constructed a windlass — an incredibly sophisticated force application tool first observed in paintings on walls inside the Great Pyramid (or so I’d heard from my grade school history teacher).
A digital caliper provided the throw/distance instrument. To finish, I slung a load cell (force gauge) on Spectra cord, and drilled a pair of holes in a steel bar that sits over the heel pins, attached to the load cell and windlass. (In one case, ION LT, I rigged things differently because the ION spring behavior changes when in touring mode.)
Using the test rig is simple. I mount a binding, sling it to the load cell, zero out all instruments, then give a smooth careful tug. I kept my pull distance at around 2.5 mm, figuring there might an error compounding if I was jerking things like a beat puppet.
The measured results were gratifying, and matched the “feel” of each unit I got when I spun the windlass handle. Check out the numbers below, but first note that the G3 binding models vary quite a bit in how the spring behaves. As with most tech bindings, switching the ZED to touring mode doesn’t change the spring. However, the ION LT (and other IONs) features an ingenious spring compression feature — the spring becomes stiffer in touring mode, with travel significantly reduced. (Incidentally, testing the ION was difficult, because of its limited throw and curvy surfaces not accepting my movement gauge caliper, but it does have a tiny bit of throw even in touring mode, and I got what I believe are valid numbers.)
Next: What causes the Zed’s bouncy heel unit?
As alluded to above, common wisdom regarding ZED is “the spring is too soft.” My testing does show the ZED spring falling on gooey side of reality, at 67.7, but the Dynafit Rotation clocked softer at 63.11, and the Fritschi Xenic wasn’t much stiffer at 76.21. Compare those to the Marker Alpinist at 124.9, or the hardest of them all, ION LT at 192.5 (again, tested while configured with ingenious feature which pre-loads the spring when you rotate the heel to touring mode).
Ok, in other words, some other bindings have soft springs as well, but don’t experience the amount of movement we’ve seen with ZED. There has to be something else going on. In my opinion the answer is simple: The medium height ZED heel lifter is slanted down towards the front of the ski — the boot heel forces it rearward. Check the images below, and our video of the problem.
ZED with Scarpa Maestrale on medium height heel lifter. Notice how the lifter forms an inclined plane. Combined with water for lubrication and the rocker bevel at the heel of many boots, it doesn’t take much weight to generate force that displaces the binding rearward.
Dynafit Rotation also has a soft spring. Notice how the heel lifter forms a more level shelf. It also has small teeth on it to reduce keep the boot heel from sliding. In my testing, I couldn’t get the Dynafit binding to move, and I’ve not heard of any problems. That said, I’m certain ANY tech binding with a compensation spring could or will move a bit in touring mode. A millimeter or so is probably acceptable.
So… upon observing this behavior I did a simple eliminator test. I shimmed up the medium-height heel lifter to near level (parallel to ski), and again weighted the boot with body weight. Yes. This simple change eliminated all but about two millimeters of rearward shift! There you go. Of course this test makes the medium lifter quite high. So I’m not sure how much it applies to a real-world solution. But it 100% proves that the shape of the lifter is most of the problem (while the softer spring clearly contributes).
CONCLUSION
Overall, this has been a fun project for us. It’s no secret I’m a huge fan of G3 bindings (though I prefer those without brakes, another story). These guys don’t hesitate to innovate, and they stay on top of any problems. The thing about ZED is not everyone reports this heel-movement behavior. I suspect that has to do with a number of factors, perhaps lighter weight skiers, perhaps different boot sole shapes. In any case rumor has it a stronger spring is available for the ZED. Will that make the binding quieter? Stay tuned. And in the meantime, if you want G3, I recommend the ION LT (best toe unit in the biz, IMHO), with my preference of no brakes.
TEST SOLUTION
Give me some spare parts, a disk grinder and a half hour.
Top plate from last year’s ZED.
Sculpting complete, shim plate ready for installation. It layers on top of the existing plate, using the same screws (or longer screws if real life).
Shim plate installed (not a real life solution, just an illustration). If one wanted a “real” soulution, the best bet might be removing the top plate, adding an attached shim just under the heel lifter, then re-installing the plate. The shim could be a small piece of 1/8 inch aluminum stock, epoxied and/or riveted to the ZED top-plate. Could be a fun project.
NOTES
– All bindings flex and bend quite a bit, this increases the travel available for flex compensation. Though ask too much of this and bam, breakage.
– Let us all hail the original tech binding design, which did not have a ski flex compensation spring. But instead depended on a ~5 mm “tech” gap at the heel, along with binding and boot flex. So simple. So elegant. Can we go back to those days? Please?
22 comments
I am a big skier, 230 lbs, and I could not use the Zed with medium heel lifters. The heel unit shifted so far back my boot slipped off the heel lifter and this was causing damage to the heel of my boot. G3 did send me a new stiffer spring set, but I never got the chance to try them because I sold the Zed bindings and went back to the Ion 12 (with brakes). This heel unit locks when the heel lifter is weighted.
Hi Mike and all, thanks for comments. And yes, as I mentioned in the post, the ION locking feature is money. I just added a test solution to the bottom of the post. Only for illustration, but shows what’s going on. Clearly, the only reason to use ZED over ION LT would be less weight. You all know weight is a priority around here, but only if resulting compromises are not too severe. Lou
Fascinating tech research as always Lou. The issues always seems to be some overlooked geometry. Between this and the heel turret destruction of last year, I’m becoming quite glad I trusted my gut and didn’t buy the first generation zeds.
Love this! Great job condensing a technical topic into such a tidy post.
I have two pairs of ZEDs
– one pair I primarily ski with a Scarps F1 and get the annoying heel movement, but in the tall riser, not the medium. It’s also somewhat sporadic, which I can’t explain. Somedays its constant, other days, nothing.
– the other pair I ski with an Alien RS and no issues at all.
What about a piece of grip tape on the heel lifter.
Very interesting Lou. I realize resources are not infinite, but I’m curious how lighter-weight bindings would compare (Plum, Atomic Backland, BD Helio, etc.).
OMR, sorry I wasn’t more clear, this is only a test for bindings with flex compensation spring. Backland, for example, does not have a flex compensation spring. Some of the ATK (Helio) bindings do have a spring, but after a while testing more bindings isn’t necessary, since what we’re concerned with here is the movement of the heel unit while touring. If the binding heel works, the stiffness of the spring is not a big deal. And while certain individuals will always key in on higher numbers as “better” in this case that’s not what matters. Again, if it works, no matter how hard or soft the spring, it works. Lou
some grip tape or crosshatching filed into the end of that lifter where it contacts the boot heel might also help, in any case heelpieces that rotate to choose the riser don’t flex like that so this is just another problem caused by the unsupported flippy lifter, at least the screws are big enough that they don’t rip out of the housing like the Rad1,
Cool (entertaining) video clip. I just mounted a set of Zed bindings on my BD Carbon Converts, but hadn’t skied or skinned on them yet. These skis previously had Dynafit classic Speed Turns, but I kept skiing out of them.
I gather the ION LT mounting pattern is the same? So I could always just mount a set of G3 ION LTs which I like , and have mounted on two other pairs of skis.
My F1s have this problem badly sometimes and not at all others. My examination suggests: 1) ramp angle of heel lifter combined with heel rubber gap accentuate the wedging effect. 2) Worse in moist conditions. 3) worse on hard vs soft surfaces (is this due to ski flex absorbing force or changing angles?), and 4) worse when snow surface angled (changing force vectors to accentuate wedging when rotation puts heel lift into boot heel gap?). I have considered filling in that heel rubber gap with something (sikaflex?) and/or sanding the shiny anodized surface and putting some grippy goop on it.
Aaront, water lubrication definitly is part of the effect. Best solution in my opinion is to change the angle of the heel lifter, but doing so is not trivial. I’d do a post with viable mod, but ION LT is such a viable alternative I hesitate to spend the time. More, G3 will be providing a different ZED heel unit for 2020-2021 that might solve the problem Stay tuned for that. If I get my hands on one I’ll post about it immediately. Lou
Spring “stiffness” is indeed force divided by distance, but you also need to take preload (the amount by which the spring is pre-compressed by the binding mechanism at the starting position) into account. I suspect that may be a very significant factor here. The way to do that is to take force measurements at two distances instead of one. Given two measurement pairs (force1, distance1) and (force2, distance2), the rate is (force2 – force1)/(distance2 – distance1). The preload is simple algebra from there.
I think that preload is the issue here for two reasons: First, the issue is happening at the beginning of the compensation spring’s travel, and that’s exactly where preload tends to be most important. Second and IIRC from when I looked at it, the Ion mechanism works to prevent this by adding preload.
I agree that the sloped riser is making things (much) worse by acting as a wedge, though note that a worn/sloped boot-sole could do so even with your mod.
Hey all, INTERESTING NEWS WITH G3 ZED, TESTED OF COURSE!
Patrick, if the binding provided preload, I set it in preload position before measuring. The only measured binding with preload in touring mode was the ION. Please read the post more carefully. I mentioned the ION difference several times.
“Can you guess the heel lifter donor?”
Higher frankebinding lifter, is from a Salomon MTN heel unit. My guess, as I have both Zeds and MTN bindings. Of course, this mod will void your warranty, whatever that’s worth.
This is a bit frustrating, as I just bought a new set of the Zeds. Will G3 be willing to sell us these new, improved base plates?
I had to replace my ION LT heel posts, with the newer ones, as my LT heels were constantly autorotating while skinning on a side hill into a locked heel.
G3 didn’t help, but Skimo had the parts to upgrade my LTs.
I’m curious why this problem is reported for Zed, but not, for example, for Hagan/ATK bindings?
Too few USA users? Or something more fundamentally better with the ATK?
Thanks for the update. Yes a little frustrating that my 19/20 will continue on this fate. Will have to consider mods, likely focused initially on increasing friction on current lifter surface.
I thought the 19/20 came with an updated spring that was supposed to help with this problem? Did the 19/20 you tested have this updated spring? All these running changes in bindings make me dizzy.
I am skiing on the updated binding that I understand had some improvements, my understanding is they were not quite enough….
I’m curious about the dates you use, as well. I have a pair of 1st gen Zeds (18/19) and have toured on them >50 times. For the record, I’m 230# and wear Scott Cosmos in a 28.5. I’ve had issues with this three times where the heelpiece moved so far that the heel riser slipped into my heel tech fitting. Kind of frustrating, but I’ve been able to look past this. Working in a shop, I know that this winter’s (19/20) had a stiffer, larger spring, which has largely eliminated any issues I’ve heard of (which have been few). Are they making more inline changes for 20/21 if I’m reading that correctly?
I do wish that they simply had the heel spring lock out in tour mode, but alas, I’m no binding engineer.
I have been overwhelmingly happy with this binding, especially for the performance and skiability of a 310g binding.
I just skinned up today, two laps, with my 19/20 Zeds. 12-18 inches new snow, fairly dry, “Eastern” powder. Boots are last years Maestrale RS, size 28.5. I weigh 195 lbs, 6’2″.
Being a loyal Wild Snow reader, I was immediately watching my binding heels, as I started up the first steeper section. Well, on a single lifter, the right heel was shifting, with each step about 3-4 mm, you could hear it moving. The left heel was shifting about 2 mm as I put weight on it. On the highest heel lifter I couldn’t really see any shifting of the heels, maybe 2 mm on the right side. But if I wasn’t looking at the bindings, I didn’t really notice the movement.
It seemed to me, that on the second lap, the heels were moving less. I did find it a bit more difficult, to “spin” the heels from walk mode, to ski mode after a long skin up, keeping skis on, than doing the same with my ION LT. The safety leash that come with the Zeds, are easier to clip on and off my boots , with gloves on, that the ION ones.
So after that I just enjoyed the skiing. Wasn’t an issue anymore.
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