Exception to the Rule, I’ll blog about this contest…

Post by WildSnow.com blogger | January 25, 2010      

I saw vertical icon Greg Hill at the OR tradeshow, and he reminded me about this promotional contest he’s involved in. Other than the occasional just-for-fun WildSnow spur of the moment contest, I’m burned out with contests as PR, as they’ve started to feel like a cheap way of getting quick attention. Much better we blog about the actual things or activities that are worthy, not those random ones which someone is behind with enough resources to seed out rewards. After all, this is WildSnow.com — not my-blog-and-I’ll-do-anything-to-get-you-to-visit-for-10-seconds.com

But yeah, there is an exception to every rule. Accuse me of being seduced by the huge reward offered by this one, or accuse me of being seduced by Greg Hill. Whatever happened, they get a freebie here — at least till our next blogpost.

(Editor’s note 2015, the videos we had linked here have been taken down. We leave this blog post up for historical context.)


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33 Responses to “Exception to the Rule, I’ll blog about this contest…”

  1. Devon January 25th, 2010 5:08 pm

    Hi Lou,
    If it wasn’t for a contest (the comment on this image one) I never would have found your blog. After that contest I have been hooked, I read every new post you guys make.

    Keep up the good work,

  2. Lou January 25th, 2010 5:14 pm

    Dang Devon, truly an exception to every rule!

  3. Kevin January 25th, 2010 5:47 pm

    Not quite sure what the connection between ski touring and heli-skiing is other than sometimes there are conflicts between locals touring into a heli-ops tenure.

    What am I missing?

  4. Kyle January 25th, 2010 6:15 pm

    This is “Heli-Ski Touring”, check out the CMH website. You stay at a fly-in lodge, they fly you into an area each day , you tour all day , then they pick you up and fly you back to the comforts of the lodge.

    pretty delux!

  5. ScottP January 25th, 2010 7:49 pm

    What if your reason for touring involves minimizing your environmental impact?

  6. bryan January 25th, 2010 8:00 pm

    Anyone else think it’s ironic that Greg Hill, the human powered vert king of the world’s backcountry (and indisputable touring bad a**) is now hawking a heli-based ski trip?

    That said, I’d love to win the trip.

  7. greg January 25th, 2010 8:48 pm

    Yes I am hawking a heli based ski trip. but it is not heli skiing. It is ski touring at its best.

    Imagine living in total luxury. Hot tubs, amazing food, great beds. Waking up at a normal time, enjoying a great breakfast and then walking out and into a helicopter that drops you in a remote alpine environment. You spend all day ski touring around the mountains with a cool group of friends,then at the end of the day, at the bottom of your last run the heli picks you up and drops you back at the hot tub. Great food, comforts and luxury and then to sleep.

    repeat for seven days, where each day can easily be 10 miles away from the last in a seemingly new range that is nothing like yesterdays.

    No long valley approaches, no brutal slogs, just the goods and nothing else.

    I agree its a little posh and soft, but there is a time in our lives when we all deserve this sort of thing.

    here is the math 1-2 minute video = 12 000 dollar prize
    that makes sense.

  8. Anonymous January 25th, 2010 9:05 pm

    By video, do you mean a ski video or just a video of yourself describing the effects ski touring has had on your life?

  9. Thomas B January 25th, 2010 11:12 pm

    I ski tour to win trips for the fat and rich, I know that if I keep on pushing it eventually I’ll get the good life :biggrin:

  10. Matt Kinney January 26th, 2010 12:19 am

    “No long valley approaches, no brutal slogs………”

    What next?
    “No more senseless kickturns?”
    “Why skin 5000′ when you can get heli dropped 1/2 way!!”
    ” …no need to circle or cross alpine lakes.”

    Isn’t that the point of BC that which separates it from other mt endeavors?.

    Something just doesn’t seem right Greg, “heli-assisted” seems a bit too posh for most of us….. but whatever. I would decline the prize. . Kinda like going to a zoo in Africa if you get my point.

    Keep it pure…enjoy the slog.. 😆

  11. Christian January 26th, 2010 12:47 am

    There is a company in northern Norway that does allmost the same thing using boats: http://www.lyngenlodge.com/ . Haven’t tried it myself, but supposedly it is very nice. As a rule, motorized traffic in the backcountry isn’t legal here, so boats is about the the only option.

  12. RICHARD MORSE January 26th, 2010 8:29 am

    Help my dynafit zzeus cuff locks back into ski mode while in walk mode. most uncomfortable for skinning….

  13. Derek January 26th, 2010 10:07 am

    😎 LOL what a bunch of wan be heady bro purist idiots. I have an idea for you Matt, Thomas, Bryan and ScottP, Walk from your house to the trail head to make sure your pure style is not damaged. I would say ride a bike but any mechanized advantage is SO UNCOOL IN MY BOOK. Get rid of the house to Tepees and Yurts are the only way houses are so main stream. You have every right to not enter the contest but you really shouldn’t criticize Greg or Lou for promoting something 99% of the people on this site would love to experience, and I would bet you would take the opportunity if given it. It’s kind of like getting upset the Ice Ax guys took at boat to the Arctic. Keep up the good work. 😎

  14. RHSMan January 26th, 2010 10:34 am

    Good work Greg!

  15. rg January 26th, 2010 11:12 am

    ScottP – don’t enter the contest.
    I don’t get everyone’s beef with this contest. We all use tools to access the backcountry once in awhile. I drive my car, ride the chairlift, sometimes as a special treat I’ll fly in, others use sleds. No we aren’t saving the planet when we do this — BUT WE’RE JUST GOING SKI TOURING. And ski touring is not necessarily a green alternative.

    This contest sounds pretty sweet, just you and Greg in your private 212… Uhhh, maybe it’s a soy powered 212.

  16. Matt Kinney January 26th, 2010 12:13 pm

    Wanna-be idiots? That’s a bit harsh.

    The buck stops at the trailhead for a bunch of us. That’s where “escape” begins. It’s where you cast off the “tiding” and “goodies” of a high tech world. At least for me and thousands and thousands of BC skiers I have met over the years, using a car to get to a trailhead is pretty much accepted as OK and has been the traditional means since the early 70’s. This inclusion of snowmachines and helis to extend the range of BC skiers is actually a very recent thing.

    None of us are perfect in our pursuit of the mts, but it has to stop somewhere and it certainly does not include hybrid backcountry skiing with an A-Star. Heliski companies recognize the growth of BC skiing and suddenly want to capitlalize on it. The market for old-ashioned helisking is on the decline and they need to change to the times. They are now desperate and casting a hook and line to of all things…..BC SKIERS!!!! I am not taking the bait. Sorry to see Greg go that way but that is his choice. I still respect Greg tons and always have That will not change.

    It’s a marketing ploy that allows heliski companies to look like they are being “green” when in reality, no recreational pursuit in the world excedes the carbon consumption of helicopter skiing. Its off the charts.

    What ever happened to pure alpinism? When did alpinist suddenly get labeled as “wannabe idiots”?


  17. Mark January 26th, 2010 12:53 pm

    I’m not sure what “pure alpinism” is, but I know that fixed wing aircraft have been a staple for mountaineers in Alaska, that using porters is a mainstay in the Himalayas, and that guiding has been part of the climbing scene (for many) in the Alps for more than a century. I think you can avail yourself of any of these services and still be engaged in “alpinism”.

    I am probably like most BC skiers and climbers: for most trips I drive to trailheads and ski or walk in, but over the years I have used fixed wings to get into the Alaska Range and St. Elias Mountains, hired burro-drivers in Ecuador, and last year went on my first heli-accessed hut trip to Fairy Meadow. These were all awesome experiences that were not diminished by the support I used. It is just part of planning a reasonable excursion to very remote places, just as driving to trailheads is reasonable in most places in the lower 48 states (but walking ain’t). The fly-in huts in Canada are an amazing resource and the activity you engage in out there is ski touring, not heli-skiing. You just get dry boots and gloves and properly mixed drinks.

  18. gringo January 26th, 2010 1:37 pm

    two things:
    First: i’ll gladly leave an interior B.C. ‘long valley slog’ behind and focus my efforts on the Alpine any time the opportunity comes up… I like to make turns, its a HUGE factor in why I tour..others may differ.

    Second: Lyngen Lodge is DOPE, i have skied with Graham and he is top notch, cool idea doing the boat shuttle thing.

  19. Derek January 26th, 2010 2:35 pm

    Sarcasm In case you missed it. We all do what we do for different reason, for me it’s deep untracked snow at any legal means possible PERIOD. I just can’t stand the “purest” type acting like they never rode a lift or flown on a 747 to ski somewhere else. It’s a joke if you ask me. I will be glad to take this trip if everyone is too good for it LOL.

  20. Mark Worley January 26th, 2010 3:09 pm

    Matt, I think offshore powerboat racing burns more fuel than helis, but I’m just speculating :biggrin: How’s Thompson Pass this season?

  21. ScottP January 26th, 2010 4:47 pm

    FYI, it was a joke. Should have added a :).

  22. Kevin January 26th, 2010 6:08 pm

    I have been Heli-skiing and I have used Heli’s to access backcountry lodges like Powder Creek. So I can’t use the green argument.

    But it will be interesting to see if this marketing angle by the Heli Op’s will work. With Heliskiing trips down, I would think that they need some way to support those lavish lodges set in remote areas.

    I’m not sure if the hardcore semi-dirtbag ski tourer is the market though. Too self reliant and willing to suffer lack of comfort in pursuit of their sport. They (we) would rather use the extra $1000’s to travel more or take more time off to ski.

    Maybe there is a market for urban professional’s with disposable income, if there’s any left. I’m no longer part of that group myself.

    And then there is the skill/fitness level question. One could pay a lot of $ to end up touring with a slow group into intermediate terrain. Many heliskiers are intermediates with little wild snow skiing experience.

    I would go for free. :ninja:

  23. Seth January 26th, 2010 6:31 pm


    You can count me in that 99% of readers that would go.
    Greg- Great idea.

  24. doubleA January 26th, 2010 6:36 pm

    The long slog to the secret stash is part of the experience. The nice thing about making long slogs is most people are at home sleeping while you and your partners are in a pristine (and quiet) mountain setting as the sun slowly rises. This is one of the best parts of ski touring.
    I believe mechanized access taints this experience to a large degree.
    20 years ago I would have killed my dog to take a heli somewhere because I was a lazy bastard. It was only about the descent back then.
    If you are lucky enough to put a whole tour together- long slog, climb a steep couloir, and turn around and ski the masterpiece- you see the sport in a whole new light.
    I think name of our sport “ski touring” will start to be marketed very heavily in the oncoming years as the term “Extreme” was back in the 80’s.

  25. Lee Lau January 27th, 2010 12:42 am

    Greg – will you be cooking?

  26. Derek January 27th, 2010 10:29 am

    Everyone acts like you have to choose one or the other for the rest of you life. You can make a long rewarding tour the day before you leave for this trip and the day you get back. Your not making a life long commitment to this just winning a $12,000 prize it will be ok

  27. greg January 27th, 2010 12:12 pm

    I love how this upsets so many people. How do all you BC skiers get to Canada and to these remote ski lodges? Airplanes , cars and helicopters. Sure this trip is not a completely green experience, but it is an amazing experience.

    If it makes you feel any better I have plans on biking and skiing many peaks from my house in Revelstoke. For 2-3 weeks in april-may I am looking at biking from home to access the trailheads around town. Perhaps this will alleviate some of your green issues.

    I love the slogs, I love the brutal approaches and the rewards that come with them. I have spent many, many hours slogging up roads, through brutally tight forests and earned some great summits. But why not step out of the norm and enjoy something completely different.

  28. Thomas B January 27th, 2010 12:33 pm

    The big grinning smiley on my post should indicate humor, chill out Derek.
    I do tour from my house and also use many other forms of transportation. My comment refers to fat and rich, nothing about purity.
    And yeah the ice AX people are wimps, they should have paddled to Antarctica.No smiley I’m serious.


  29. Jimmy January 28th, 2010 4:46 pm

    I’m all for it…trip of a lifetime. Sipping spendy cocktails in digs like that after touring your ass off, killing vertical, and choking on fluff. I tour 100% of the time, and do not own a ski pass. I would love to have the opportunity to do that. I”m pretty sure that %100 percent of the folks i tour with would not turn it down either. Those of you who say you would turn it down are full of it!…period!!! I’m putting my viddy together…..

  30. Peter February 16th, 2010 12:35 pm

    Thanks for the heads up Lou, I entered just in time.

    I’m hoping this (L)East coaster gets to ski some big mountains.

  31. Lou February 16th, 2010 7:14 pm

    Cool Peter! I embedded yours in the blogpost. Best of luck on a win!

  32. Wade February 26th, 2010 1:19 pm

    There’s one remaining spot available should any of the “fat and rich” want to buy their way in to this experience.

    I was very “fat and lazy” so I never got around to putting an entry in to the contest 🙁

    Hopefully the trip is an amazing experience for the contest winners, the “fat and rich” and of course Greg.

    I wonder how much vertical he will be bagging while the “fat and rich” clients do yoga, eat breakfast, and sleep?

  33. Peter February 26th, 2010 1:24 pm

    I didn’t read the fine print in the rules “VT residents excluded”.
    So I was disqualified.

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