News Roundup October Thursday — Kids, Skimo, GW and More

Post by blogger | October 20, 2016      
Backcountry skiing news.

Backcountry skiing news.

This just in, Crested Butte Mountain Bike Association proposes grooming winter snow trail for fat tire mountain bikes. Grooming snow trails for bicycling? Who knew! The thought occurs to me, don’t mountain athletes in CB have enough to do in winter?

Press release, condensed:
Gunnison, Colorado, USA, October 20, 2016 – The Gunnison Ranger District is providing the opportunity for public comment on the proposal to groom 37.3 miles around Crested Butte, in Gunnison County, Colorado for multiple winter uses, including bicycling, skiing and snowshoeing. The Crested Butte Mountain Bike Association (CBMBA) is proposing to groom 9.4 miles surrounding Mt. Crested Butte, including: North Village; Woods and Crusader trails at Crested Butte Mountain Resort; and CR 317 to the Gothic town-site. The proposal includes 9.9 miles of single-track grooming in the Brush Creek drainage. CBMBA also proposes 18 miles of grooming in the Cement Creek drainage. All proposed areas will remain open to multiple use as designated under the 1995 and 2005 environmental decisions. Proposed grooming will provide a recreation amenity all users can enjoy…

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Getting children started with backcountry skiing also comes in along the lines of being “new.” We’ve got lots of take on that, just click here. Beyond our own content, a bit of web browsing always brings up fun content about skiing with progeny. Today I landed on this article with a distinctly “European” take on the matter.

Any of you ski touring vets noticed the “mainstream” media fascination with what used to be our own personal fringe sport? I doubt that’ll stop any time soon, what with how backcountry skiing can combine so many elements of a good story. Danger. Food. Relationships. Athletics. Skill. Lack of skill. Gear. Machinery. It’s all there. History, too. Indeed, worldwide, quite a few of the ski lodges and huts still in use played a part in the birth of modern skiing. For example, in 1929 Assiniboine Lodge became the first backcountry ski lodge in the Canadian Rocky Mountains, when ski instructor and guide Erling Strom brought his first group of clients there for a snow adventure. Nice Assiniboine article here.

If you like ski history, check out this capsule of the Assiniboine story.

Side note: Communicating the sport of backcountry skiing can be as confusing as explaining NFL football to a Martian. The common encompassing term for human powered skiing, especially in Europe, is “ski touring.” Problem is that here in North America, many people define ski touring as shuffling or skating around on relativly flat ground, usually without climbing skins. When the terrain tilts up, we tend to call it “backcountry skiing” or “ski mountaineering.” Then we have ski mountaineering racing to confuse the issue, known as “skimo” to some. The dance of language will clearly never end. Here at WildSnow, we seem to trend ever more to the term “ski touring” but we still like “backcountry skiing” since as wilderness loving North American’s we see a rather distinct difference between skiing on prepared trails (resort uphilling or skate tracks) as opposed to breaking our way through wild snow.

Speaking of skimo, I like the visuals in this video. Many of you know who Mathéo Jacquemoud & Kilian Jornet Burgada are. They ski through the mountains so fast it’s certain they are genetically modified. Jackqemoud has an interesting history with it all, Jornet narrates.

JACQUEMOUD | Fall and Rise from FRAME Visuals on Vimeo.

WildSnow climate change watch: Oh la la, the issue of geoengineering won’t die. We accidentally engineered more heat, is it time to deliberately engineer our way to cooler air? Interesting writing on the subject from the NYT.

Clearly, many if not most radical environmentalists morally equate geo-engineering with, for example, murder. On a less fanatical level, most thinking individuals are not entirely comfortable with the idea. If nothing else, I’d think the law of unintended consequences would have an automatic top-flight presence in any such scheme. Yet one has to wonder, if the planet warms to the point of catastrophe (defined here as no-more-skiing or the NMS level of GW), is not doing something better than doing nothing? And what if global warming causes extinction of species? Is it not our job to stop it, just as it’s apparently our job to re-introduce species, which is obviously a form of environmental engineering intended to compensate for our human influences? Important stuff.


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14 Responses to “News Roundup October Thursday — Kids, Skimo, GW and More”

  1. ptor October 20th, 2016 3:10 pm

    Consider, that the NYT post is a hit-piece and geo-engineering has been developing and ongoing on since the 50’s when the tech was first put forward by Edward Teller and gang and they are now preparing us for the full scale un-occulted employment version of this technology and… a mass proportion of green-hearts have been hijacked and scared poo-less by the CO2 redherring.

  2. GeorgeT October 20th, 2016 6:21 pm

    Fat bikes and snowshoes on XC trails works when an extra lane is groomed to the side of the classic track. I have seen fat bikes and snowshoes destroy a skate track. This also requires proper signage so the “newbies” know where to bike or snowshoe.

  3. Jim Milstein October 20th, 2016 7:23 pm

    Probably not genetically modified. Technology is not there yet. They are, rather, members of another species. Can they interbreed with us sapiens? Apparently they can speak French.

  4. See October 20th, 2016 9:36 pm

    Yeah, geoengineering may be the way to go. I’ve also decided that working out is a lost cause. I’m just gonna get liposuction.

  5. John S October 21st, 2016 2:53 am

    I started my daughter backcountry skiing at age 10, but it’s been a slow process, and I’m more than fine with that. Issues include of course, touring gear, avalanche hazard and safety, and kids have small muscles that can’t haul heavy gear on their legs.

    So we kept things short and low angle. Fast forward a few years to age 15, and now she’s on big skis with dynafits and on longer tours – even to ski-in bc huts. But, even at 15, we’re playing in the safest possible terrain and focusing on being out, not skiing lines. This is somewhat frustrating, as she now skis the steepest runs resorts have to offer.

    The next year, age 16, we start ski mountaineering (she’s been summer mountaineering since age 10) and once again, I’m trying to keep things low-key. She gets formal avalanche training, but it’s still hard for me to take her “off the bunny hill” in terms of ski lines. This is dangerous business and people that rush to play at high levels often lose. Learning patience is important. She’s young and this is difficult.

    This coming winter she’s now 17, can ski steeper stuff than I ever have, or ever will, and I fear she’ll be angry at my choice of conservative terrain, but so be it. She’ll get more formal education this winter and that might temper her ambition. Also, we can explore new resorts that will challenge her – keep her thirst for steep stuff slaked. We’ll do more ski mountaineering and maybe a traverse with terrain that isn’t too terrible. Our Canadian Rockies snowpack is a hard one to learn and to deal with. Time. Takes lots of it.

    It’s great to expose kids to backcountry skiing and the idea of earning your turns and exploring the wilderness. Just have patience and let them advance slowly and build their skills and experience and instill a strong sense of respect for the power of uncontrolled avalanche terrain. To me, this is the key to raising generations of skiers that will play as safe as possible.

    Oh, and always have fun. Here’s my “little girl” stripping her skins as we all have a good laugh about her sinking into her waist. She’s laughing the hardest!

  6. Bruno Schull October 21st, 2016 5:40 am

    I’m all for fat bikes on winter trails, as long as the trails are signed, they don’t mess up the cross country tracks, and everybody pays (or is expected to pay) the same use fees.

    A thought: if dedicated uphill touring trails become widespread, will fat bikes then want to use these same trails for winter fat bike downhilling? Again, assuming everybody pays the same use fees, what would be the argument against that?

    Just stirring the pot….

  7. Zach October 21st, 2016 12:39 pm

    It would be so nice if they would just leave the brush creeks and cement creek alone.

  8. Kam Harris October 21st, 2016 6:35 pm

    Despite the predilection of ptor (respect) for conspiracy theories, it’s clear that our energy use causes global climate change, with overall climate warming as the result. Geoengineering is appealing as a crutch to get us through a transition to heat-trapping-neutral energy sources. I personally like the idea. A climate scientist I have spoken to privately says it will probably be necessary. Societies aren’t transitioning to clean fuels fast enough. But it’s ethically fraught since it deincentivizes reduction of fossil-fuel consumption, and the strategies I’ve heard about do nothing for the problem of ocean acidification.

    I think it could be useful, under a global agreement that also enforces emissions reductions, to do some modest geoengineering to mitigate the bad consequences of climate warming.

  9. See October 21st, 2016 9:15 pm

    “(M)odest geoengineering” may be an oxymoron. Joking aside, I respect Lou’s preference for measures that actually work. However, I also respect the natural world (creation, if you like). It’s a miraculously complex system, and I fear that it is hubris to mess with the system even more than we already have. The danger of making matters worse should not be underestimated, in my opinion.

  10. ptor October 22nd, 2016 2:53 am

    @Kam, the ongoing geo-engineering is not a conspiracy theory. Established scientific realities of water droplet nucleation and repression induced by microwaves, the develpoment and installation of ionospheric heaters globally (starting with HAARP in Gokona AK), an overt military doctrine to ‘own the weather’ by 2025, available patents for all the equipment needed for SRM (solar radiation management) and plasmafication of the ionosphere, undeniable visual evidence daily in our skies of artificial clouds produced by airplanes and now rainfall and atmospheric analysis constantly proves and the unnatural presence of Aluminum and Barium among other particulates in Europe and North America which are congruent with the publicly stated proposed method of weather modification put forth by Edward Teller (not to mention the timely spike in Alzheimers and Morgellons), the programs have been debated in US congress and even at the UN where world government have signed an accord (corporations are exempt from this btw), severe weather ‘compression events’ are predictedly occurring as a result of manipulating weather systems, an unlimited budget to do so (trillions of missing defense dept spending) and the Mitre Corporation out Massachusets already found redhanded as the coordinator of this ‘New Manhattan Project’. Besides many precedents already show advanced technologies are usually already employed before they become public knowledge (like nuclear weapons). It’s now up to the ‘deniers’ to prove that ongoing geoengineering doesn’t exist and that government documents like ‘Owning the Weather in 2025’ are clever fakes. Once the program is allowed to go full on, not only will our ionosphere be compromised but the very electromagnetic stability (and hence the integrity of the entire flippin atmosphere) of our planet . CO2 has never driven climate change and the simple fact that CO2 rise has always lagged temperature rise in historical data is the elephant in the room that scientist protecting their ‘jobs’ doing climate research continue to ignore. It was Einstien that said, it takes a hundred experiments to prove me right, but only one to prove me wrong. Engaging in any kind of geo-engineering is a path to destruction, especially when one has been duped into thinking there is a scientific concensus about something and the reality in our skies is continually refused to be looked at. N.B this is far from an argument for the continuation of fossil fuel use and it’s pollution. It’s the very cabal running this program that represses the technologies we should have already been using since a long time. The ‘deep state’ is not a fantasy. The ‘carbon religion’ is just creating another breed of extremists spurred on my the emotional manipulation of self-guilt and fear.,%20Problems,%20Policy,%20And%20Potential%20(May%201978,%20784%20pages).pdf

  11. See October 22nd, 2016 7:47 am

    Morgellons is an interesting phenomenon, which may or may not be “delusional parasitosis.”

  12. ptor October 24th, 2016 1:56 am

    Is this what we wish upon ourselves by first denying and then embracing geo-engineering? Hope not…

  13. Shawn October 24th, 2016 10:26 am

    The weather these days still seems legit. My guess is that if humans were covertly engineering the weather and climate, we would have had complete weather chaos. Controlling the weather means we would have had to totally figure out chaos theory…as I understand it, we are still at a loss in accurately predicting the patterns and vortices that will form when water falls over a uniform ledge, let alone managing the dynamics of a continent-sized mass of air. Even today’s supercomputers have a hard time modeling weather outcomes when the inputs are changed even fractionally, look up the term: butterfly effect.

    However, I think the world needs more people like Ptor, who are brave in pointing out something very obvious happening in our skies, and are seeking to know things about this. Many people are complete sheep when it comes to looking into vapor trails, and latch on to the comfortable answer from the authorities that nothing is happening, even though we keep hearing about this grandiose idea to blast the atmosphere with particles–they love to push this idea of late don’t they? This is an acceptable reality, but it’s not the only one, and I believe there’s much meaning here for anyone who cares looking beyond officialdom for answers.

    I think what’s most sorely overlooked in any discussion of what’s happening in our atmosphere, is that radioactive material from decades of weapons testing is still up there probably causing all kinds of consequences, meanwhile we’re all doomsday over carbon and methane…seems like the world’s militaries are to blame for most of our problems, yet the onus is upon you and me to quit eating meat and install solar panels. My hope is that wars, and the people who orchestrate them, are going extinct. Maybe all these billionaires are looking for ways to get to Mars, because they are aware they won’t be welcome here on earth anymore, not so long as they remain complicit with governments who love dropping bombs on people.

  14. Kam Harris October 24th, 2016 2:09 pm

    I was not aware that people view jet emissions as evidence of geoengineering until now. However, without any special “particle seeding”, these emissions do affect our climate by altering albedo:

    Many governments have of course looked into weather modification, geoengineering, and the like. And some of the things scientists have thought up are scary. I just don’t think we’re actually doing it at this massive scale implied by Ptor’s references.

    I do not believe there could be a conspiracy among university research scientists about the CO2 issue. These people will speak their mind if they don’t believe you. Just go to a conference, and you will see it. So the consensus there speaks for itself. And I weigh peer-reviewed literature much more seriously than what could easily be pseudoscience.

    On the other hand, that nanoparticle paper is terrifying! Let’s all agree on that.

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