Scarpa F1 2.0 Ski Touring Boot – Unboxing Review


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | September 28, 2016      
Scarpa F1 Evo version 2.0 2016-2017

Scarpa F1 Evo version 2.0 2016-2017 is basically the same F1 that was retailed last year, and replacement for F1 Evo that was recalled. We suspect it has a few tiny improvements.

Remember the F1 Evo? Amazingly good boot in so many ways, but the Tronic lean lock (automatic locker) of the F1 Evo was flawed so they up and recalled every boot with a Tronic. Mature way to handle things in my opinion. Nice to see. Promise was to send the recall swap boots out this fall, sans Tronic, and they delivered. Ours came a few days ago and they look fantastic.

Tronic is a brilliant innovation. After the trigger plate was thickened as an “in line” change last winter, in my opinion it worked fine in a properly adjusted binding. But I’ll admit it’s easy to get it wrong, and if your boot misbehaves (coming unlocked accidentally and jamming into the binding) a dangerous situation could result. Nonetheless, while one might think Tronic is relegated to that amazing museum in Montebelluna, it’ll actually still be sold in Europe, just not “officially” in North America. As always we find that to be strange, but them is the vagaries of globalism. Despite the best intentions of worldwide business, reality is not always global, that is unless you have a credit card, computer, and an extra two days to wait for shipping.

In any case, one can imagine the boot minions of Montebelluna have been as busy as a roofing crew after a hurricane, taking all summer to make subtle improvements on the F1 boot, and mold enough copies to handle the Tronic recall. They probably made a few changes we’ll never hear about, but all to the good. Main things to know is compared to first-generation boots, this version of F1 is easier to get into (the first ones were a struggle), and all versions have a sole that’s probably about as good as you can get for a compromise between wear and grip. Most importantly in my view, all F1s have a basic and effective external lean lock bar. No fooling around with fancy hidden lean locks prone to icing and mysterious failure modes. I popped a few photos, just to whet everyone’s appetite for a boot that indeed makes a nice balance between lack of mass, uphill comfort, and downhill performance, Tronic or not.

Big thing is of course all Tronic equipped boots being replaced with standard F1 that has basic and effective lean-lock external bar.

Big thing is of course all Tronic equipped boots being replaced with standard F1 that has basic and effective lean-lock external bar.

Excellent. Remove one screw, flip lock anchor, get a few degrees more forward cuff lean. Perhaps someone will make an aftermarket piece for LESS cuff lean?

Excellent. Remove one screw, flip lock anchor, get a few degrees more forward cuff lean. Perhaps someone will make an aftermarket piece for LESS cuff lean (or even more if flipped )?

Change forward lean in about 65 seconds.

Change forward lean in about 65 seconds.

Challenge with tech equipped AT boots is to provide enough thickness under the toe fittings, especially when using the Dynafit Quick-Step-In fittings. Scarpa tried, and does about as good as anyone.

Challenge with tech equipped AT boots is to provide enough thickness under the toe fittings, especially when using the Dynafit Quick-Step-In fittings. Scarpa tried, and does about as good as anyone. Sole material is said to be as wear resistant as can be without becoming too slippery.

This year F1 still includes the safety strap anchor.  It took about 40 years of making AT boots for someone in the industry to include this, kudos to Scarpa.

This year F1 still includes the safety strap anchor. It took about 40 years of making AT boots for someone in the industry to include this in an AT boot (tele boots were first), kudos to Scarpa.

Idea of the one or two motion mode change remains. You fine tune with the infinite adjustment of the hook-loop, and leave it that way for the day. In theory.

Idea of the one or two motion mode change remains. When you begin your tour, fine tune your fit with the infinite adjustment of the hook-loop, and leave it that way for the day. Change to downhill mode requires a flip of the buckle and stab at the lean lock. That is if the power strap is tight enough and the Boa is good. Thus, you could conceivably change modes with two motions, though in reality most people will end up with a few more than that, if not simply because they fiddle with their pant cuff. Whatever, we love the idea of less diddling during mode changes, especially in crumby weather. So let’s see this trend continue across the industry.

Scarpa attention to detail, tongue extends above power strap.

Scarpa attention to detail, tongue extends above power strap.

Removable cuff pivots, keeping boot fitters sane worldwide.

Removable cuff pivots, keeping boot fitters sane worldwide.

Boa is refined for ski boots after years of development.

Boa is refined for ski boots after years of development. We love it.

Secret sauce is a carbon infused yoke wrapping down from the cuff pivots, mitigating the dreaded pivot bulge.

Secret sauce is a carbon infused yoke wrapping down from the cuff pivots, mitigating dreaded pivot bulge.

Liner sourced from Intuition is refined to exactly compliment F1.

Liner sourced from Intuition is refined to exactly compliment F1. Said to fit better than earlier versions though for the most part that probably applies only if you have the ‘standard’ leg shape the liner is designed for. Not to worry, it’s a thermo mold liner and everything you need to create a good fit is there for the boot fitter to work with, including a removable boot board in the shell under the liner and as mentioned above, an easily removed cuff in the event major mods are required. The shell is easily punched. All this combined with Boa might make F1 one of the easiest fit customizable AT boots available. If you’ve never been able to get an AT boot to fit, this one will be worth another stab at achieving the kind of comfort you’ve only experienced while in a warm bath with your boots off.

F1 hang tags tell stories, interesting that they've made sure the rear 'sole shelf' and cuff shape are compatible with Marker Kingpin.

F1 hang tags tell stories, interesting that they’ve made sure the rear ‘sole shelf’ and cuff shape are compatible with Marker Kingpin. Anti stink liner is nice, while the Dynafit certified fittings are appreciated though we’d rather see the older version toe fittings that allow thicker sole material.

Weights of our 2016-2017 F1 ski touring boots (NOT Evo Tronic, which is a few more grams)

Size 28 with liner: 46.4 ounces, 1314 grams.
Size 28 shell, NO liner: 37.3 ounces, 1056 grams (size 27 shell comes in at almost exactly 1 kilo, which is our general target for a “real” modern ski touring boot, combined of course with good walking mobility as these boots have).

Size 25 with liner: 38.2 ounces, 1084 grams.
Size 25 NO liner: 31.3 ounces, 888 grams.

According to Skialper magazine last year, F1 has a 99 mm last in size 27, which is within a few mm of nearly any brand boot model in this class.

F1 is innovative and thus a bit difficult to evaluate in terms of fit and how it will meet your needs. Especially true if you’re shopping online. Thus, while you’ll be able to get it from outfits such as backcountry.com, we’d recommend shopping for Scarpa F1 with our friends at Cripple Creek Backcountry here in the Wildsnow home town.

Check out our ongoing F1 coverage, all the way back to yours truly being hosted at the unveiling in Montebelluna in 2014.


Comments

37 Responses to “Scarpa F1 2.0 Ski Touring Boot – Unboxing Review”

  1. Kam Harris September 28th, 2016 11:15 am

    Thin soles wear out ridiculously fast on my Dynafit boots, usually in about 1 season of heavy use scrambling in the Cascades and PNW volcanoes. It looks like, unfortunately, Scarpa won’t be much better.

    So what boot or brand has the best sole durability?

  2. Scott McCullough September 28th, 2016 11:58 am

    You could make a bungy lock for split boarders. I bet someone might like that. Replace the lock bar with something that has more stretch.

  3. Christian September 28th, 2016 12:54 pm

    I made the switch to these late last winter after giving up on my old TLT5 Performance boots and so far they are my favorite touring boot I’ve used. A couple of things I’ll mention that didn’t see included in the article;

    The top most power strap can be removed, similar to the TLT power straps. I took mine off straight away and I haven’t felt compelled to put it back on. I wasn’t necessarily trying to save weight, but it was just one less thing to adjust. So far so good.

    For walk mode I have to pop the boa dial to make it more tolerable. It’s not a big deal and only takes a second to tighten back up for the descents. Also, this is the best use of the boa I have experienced as it tightens uniformly around the forefoot.

    One thing to watch out for, after initially putting on the boot it is very important to make sure the orange/purple tongue is positioned properly. I mention this because it is easy to get it overlapped with the boot upper/lower interface which could cause damage to the tongue. This is my only criticism I have so far and I remember the Scarpa rep pointing it out to me at the OR show last winter. Obviously longevity is the next test.

  4. Maciej Pike-Biegunski September 28th, 2016 2:40 pm

    This boot looks really appealing. My feet measure out at an 8D on a Brannock device, but if these punch well, they could work.

    How does the stiffness (I guess just on carpet for now) compare to other lighter AT boots? Comparable to TLT 6?

  5. Scott Allen September 28th, 2016 3:13 pm

    Scarpa site claims a 102 mm last in this model of F1 (one of the reasons I threw down $700!)

  6. Lou2 September 28th, 2016 3:44 pm

    There is no real industry standard for how lasts are measured. I go with SKialper, in the end it is about the shell fit. How is it? Lou

  7. Scott September 28th, 2016 8:35 pm

    I got a 28 shell and seems tight with 1.5 fingers….may up it to the 29, but the boot design is inspiring, so light, flexy and many micro adjustments

  8. Lou Dawson 2 September 29th, 2016 8:51 am

    Scott, if lasting is your concern, when doing shell fit without liner you perhaps want to be more concerned with how the toe box fits, beyond the rough evaluation that the “finger” fit check gives you. One method is to compare to existing boots. Be sure to shim your foot up a bit with an insole to duplicate how the thickness of the liner sole positions your foot, then slightly slide your foot left to right, under body weight, to feel how the boot last interacts with your foot shape. If you have a pair of boots you like, let them be your guide.

    Each time you step up a shell size you increase the last size everywhere, you probably already know that but it should be said. So you have to be careful or you can end up with a shell that’s too big. A boot fitter can easily add significant room by punching the shell, but it’s tougher to make a boot tighter as doing so involves padding out the liner which adds potential foot movement and pressure spots.

    Can you work with a boot fitter?

    Lou

  9. Lou Dawson 2 September 29th, 2016 9:05 am

    Maciej, in my opinion not quite a stiff feeling as TLT6-P, a bit stiffer than some other “one kilo” boots. Fit and how they’re buckled makes a huge difference.

    This class of boot is not really bought according to how “stiff” it is. Just as you don’t buy a full size American pickup truck for its fuel economy. You’re buying this type of boot for many other reasons. If you want stiff, easily done by shifting one level up in weight and less touring comfort to a bit more freeride oriented shoe.

    Lou

  10. Scott S Allen September 29th, 2016 10:57 am

    Thanks Lou for the feed back, I really appreciate it!
    I have worked with Bob at Neptunes here in Boulder and will do so again.
    Hoping this year to find the golden fit!

  11. rob trauscht September 29th, 2016 11:38 am

    Possibly dumb question on the soles, but is anyone resoling AT boots? Seem to recall a local cobbler doing teleboots around these parts about 20 years ago but he’s long gone. Seems like it would. E relatively simple if you could find a source for factory soles.

  12. peterk September 29th, 2016 11:54 am

    More features than an Alien: carbon, powerstrap-buckle, dual durometer sole yet $100 cheaper. Because weight weenies.

  13. zippy the pinhead September 29th, 2016 12:06 pm

    Rob,
    Answer to your question seems to be “yes”.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=resole+ski+boots&oq=resole+ski+boots&aqs=chrome..69i57.3115j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Also, see this posting at another blog:
    http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/10/dynafit-resoling-question.html

    Happy trails…

    -Zippy

  14. Maciej Pike-Biegunski September 29th, 2016 3:28 pm

    Lou,

    I abandoned heavy “beef” boots years ago. The marginal gain in ski performance was totally offset by the drag of lugging 9 pound boots uphill.

    That said, some light boots do better than others in terms of outright stiffness (fore, aft, and lateral) and how progressive the flex is. If these are in the ballpark of TLT boots, that’s pretty good (and keeps them on my radar-my BD Primes are getting worn, and comparable boots today are a pound or two lighter a pair).

  15. jasper September 30th, 2016 9:11 pm

    Im going to hike so fast this year. ??

  16. Jürgen October 4th, 2016 6:09 am

    I spent 2 one hour sessions in these boots in my local shop. Compared to my TLT5s and Maestrale RS side by side. They offer me the fit I could´t find in any TLT5 successors in the forefoot. They are a really nice blend as they are stiffer than my TLTs (not P) with a more even feeling flex below Maestrales of course, but maybe meeting my overall requirements even better. The high tongue adds a lot of power leaning Forward, nevertheless the ROM is comparable with TLTS and far beyond Maestrales. I prefer the split of straps/buckles compared to the single buckle approach of the new TLT7 I couldn´t compare in my size yet. I do use BOA in my MTB shoes for years now and feel they´re a great feature on this boot as well, nevertheless they don´t feature the two way open/Close mode by just turning left right. It´s both, the details and the fit, which made me astouning. Bye bye TLT5s and Maestrales !!

  17. Lou Dawson 2 October 4th, 2016 8:57 am

    Thanks for your take Jurgen! I don’t know what kind of secret sauce Scarpa used with these boots, but it works.

    What’s fun to watch is how boots are rapidly evolving to combine comfort, touring motion and weight, along with downhill ability. The pace of innovation is furious!

    That said, if you’re coming from beefier boots bear in mind that none of these full-on “touring” boots are going to feel the same. Take time to get used to them before you develop an opinion. Unfortunately, a 3-run demo at a resort doesn’t cut it for testing, not sure what the consumer solution is for that. Perhaps work with a shop that’ll help cut through any biases one way or another, so you don’t make the wrong decision.

    Lou

  18. Jürgen October 4th, 2016 12:09 pm

    Fully agreed Lou – and this boots shell was unveiled 2014 already, so should be kind of elder life cycled after 2 years, shouldn’t it ? It wasn’t in my focus at that time as I didn’t want the Tronic mechanism. And the step from the original F1 to my TLT5s was so huge, that honestly I hadn’t expected Scarpa to come up with such a fantastic package. Like on MTB my mix clearly is 50% up and enjoying the other 50% down, but never target at gathering descend metres. I know everything comes at a price …

  19. Topi October 4th, 2016 3:03 pm

    Lou and Jürgen, How well is heel kept in place. Similar or better compared to Aliens? Kind of lacking of scarpa’s classic instep strap-buckle? Need an update to Scarpa Rush. Thanks.

  20. Lou Dawson 2 October 4th, 2016 8:05 pm

    Hi Topi, I recall they don’t necessarily have the feel of the classic Scarpa instep strap, but the overall effect is ok heel hold, it kind of grips your whole foot better. The word that comes to mind is “glove.” Lou

  21. Jürgen October 5th, 2016 7:38 am

    I guess Lou had easier access to a picture than I do but there is some kind of rubber extention bonded to the lower heel shell part that covers your heel like as you slip in a running shoe (thats what Lou describes with glove) ! Nice feature that eg Maestrale has not ! Long story short: heel grip for me is perfect, nevertheless I´m a huge fan of instep strap buckles !

  22. Ben November 3rd, 2016 8:42 am

    Any cuff alignment adjustment with the f1 or atomic backland that you know of? Or any aftermarket / Jerry rig solution?

    It’s time for me to retire the big technica cochise pro 130 boots for something lighter now that I will have a 9 month old in my pack. I already couldn’t keep up with my wife

  23. Aaron December 28th, 2016 12:07 pm

    As I mentioned in another wildsnow F1 thread (seems better placed here), I love the fit, comfort, touring and buckles of the F1. However, the forward lean even at 20 is way to aggressive for my skiing style (grew up parallel turning on light free heel gear, very upright stance). I shimmed my vertical bindings to reduce stack height differential but still not enough change in angle.

    I’m about to modify my lean lock mechanism, but was curious if anyone else with F1s feels similar. It would be really easy for Scarpa (or someone else) to create an alternate insert for lower angle. I wish Scarpa offered this already especially as the evo version of the boot has an advertised 16/18 lean. (Why would they go with 20/22 on the non tronic version???).

  24. Aaron January 18th, 2017 11:49 am

    For those interested in modifying the lean to a less aggressive level linked is a Google Photo album with photos and comments of the process. Turned out to be very easy. Have not skied them yet but boot testing seems perfect. Scarpa could easily modify the fitting to make this easier, or include more holes and let users move the pin. Popping the pin out was very easy.

    https://goo.gl/photos/TFDKHk3u81hyCxqcA

  25. Aaron January 27th, 2017 3:37 pm

    F1 lean lock mod update: ski tested for functionality and works perfectly. Durability to be determined, but I have no indication of any concern.

  26. Eric Stei January 28th, 2017 7:14 am

    Aaron, about your F1 lean lock. I thought the current generation F1 already has a flippable lean lock. Is yours an old model? Or is it just that you wanted it even less forward-leaning?

  27. Andy Carey May 31st, 2017 4:32 pm

    I got a pair on F1s and thermomolded them and then fit them to the Speed Radicals on my Cho Oyus using the new gap flexible tool and checked with the old gap bump on a wedge tool, 5.5 mm. So, I tried them out today and got quite a bit of boot heel catching on the binding heel–loots of boot postholes to cross. I did not have this problem with my TLT6. So I was about to increase the gap to 6 mm when I noticed the rubber/plastic part of the sole actually extends 1 mm beyond the lowest slanted part of the Dynafit fitting that takes the pins. I presume there should be no problem in trimming that to be flush with the fitting and to have the same angle of slant as the fitting. Any comments or caveats? thanks

  28. Lou Dawson 2 May 31st, 2017 6:44 pm

    Hello Andy, I’ve not seen that but I’d think that “clearancing” to the level of the steel fitting at the boot heel would be the way to go. Interesting your F1s have that issue, I’ll check some of the ones we have kicking around. Thanks for bringing this up. Opening up the heel gap has consequences… Lou

  29. Andy Carey May 31st, 2017 7:01 pm

    Thanks, Lou. That’s why I asked. I run a pretty low RV anyway (large feet, MP29, short height, and old man), and extending the gap could only make it lower and require so uninformed guestimate on increasing the RV 🙂

  30. Aaron T May 31st, 2017 8:31 pm

    Myself f1w have rh2 sam3 clearamce problem. Scratching when reverse cambered skinning in soft snow.

  31. Aaron T May 31st, 2017 8:34 pm

    My f1s have the same clearance problem. Scratching on heel tech fitting when slightly reverse cambered skinning in soft snow.

  32. Andy Carey June 4th, 2017 7:02 pm

    So, I re-adjusted the bindings using a feeler gage verified by a caliper; increased by 0.25 mm). And I trimmed the sole rubbler to match the steel Dynafit fitting. Only 2 or 3 incidental catches even when traversion heaviiy runnelled and booted snow. FWIW: With the same footbeds in these boots as my TLT6 I felt the boots had less ramp angle than the 6s. I had to use heel lifters more often, and even the highest lifter on the Speed Radical that I hardly ever used with the 6s. My Cho Oyus were mounted with a B&D toe shim (by CC after consultation with Lou 🙂 ). The F1s made for an even more centered stance than the 6s! Tomorrow I will try them with my Movement Vertex-X mounted with Superlite 2.0 Whites (the vertical release is nice and light as I found with breakable crust and a face plant) with the heels on a B&D adjustment plate (the flat on ski mode has worked great with the B&D anti-twist). But I felt a little tip-toe given the plate and it will be interesting to see if the F1s solve that.

  33. Andy Carey June 6th, 2017 5:09 pm

    FWIW, the F1s felt better (less tip toe) with the Superlites than the TLT6s; the 20 degree forward lean actually felt less than the 15 degree in the TLT6. The boot/my foot felt quite level with heel flat on ski, but again, I used more heel lifters on steep slopes than with the 6s. Only had one heel rotation from flat on ski, that was when traversing heavily booted snow (when the snow was soft after noon) that was hard frozen (early morning). So some of my concerns (and of others) about the forward lean have been pleasantly dispelled.

  34. justin October 12th, 2017 9:41 pm

    Just got a pair of F1s. I haven’t skied them yet, but I’m not sold on the Velcro buckle system. If I have it tight enough to be tight in ski mode, it is still too tight and restricts ra get of motion in tour mode. Other than just constantly adjust the Velcro, anyone have a solution for this? Seems like the Fischer Travers buckles have a lot more “throw” or range of motion in the buckle itself, but I don’t think the will sell any buckles. I’ve see. One person take off the entire Velcro buckle assembly and put a more traditional cuff buckle on. Any other ideas?

  35. Matus October 13th, 2017 5:23 am

    justin, how many times a day is constantly?

  36. Lou Dawson 2 October 13th, 2017 7:05 am

    Justin, in my experience with trying to adjust various boots, success seems to hinge on personal ergonomics and body dimensions. I’d imagine your only solution if you want to stick with F1 is to indeed do some kind of mod. Boot modding has always been a tradition in both ski touring and alpine skiing, I don’t see that changing anytime soon, though things have certainly gotten better. Lou

  37. Matus October 13th, 2017 7:09 am

    From time to time I let my friends try my F1 boots. It amuses me that all of them are surprised by the super fit, lightness, range of motion and stiffness. Especially those who ski in Maestrales. Is Scarpa Alien RS the next level boot? Or is it just too racing oriented for normal skiing (on long, 100+ wide skis)?





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