New from G3 and SCARPA 2016/2017


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | January 21, 2016      
The Scala easily folds into a compact package.

The Scala easily folds into a compact package.

After multiple laps down the concrete couloirs of the Outdoor Retailer show, what a delight to team up with G3 and SCARPA for a day on the real thing — the snowy slopes of the Uinta mountain range here in Utah.

Since Lou is in Europe, G3 and SCARPA generously allowed me to squeeze two WildSnow guest bloggers into his seat. Michael and Julie Kennedy will report on the ski day. I’ll give an overview of what’s new with SCARPA and G3.

G3 Scala

New in G3 skins is the Scala. Big innovation is the tip. The G3 urethane tip connector extends down to the first logical contact point of the ski. When uphilling, there’s not a lot of grip benefit in the tip of a skin but there is a lot of glide deficit.

The Scala is designed to increase the glide up front without sacrificing the grip underfoot. As you break trail in deep snow, it pops the tip of the ski up so you’re not struggling to kick up your ski on every stride.

G3 put a scale pattern on the urethane tip section so it does have some grip when it’s engaged on the skin track. The scale pattern is a U shape rather than a roll pattern. U shaped scales provide legitimate grip on technical terrain. For example, when you’re sidehilling you can get hold up on the tip rather than washing out as you would with a roll patterned scale.

The Scala easily folds into a compact package.

The Scala easily folds into a tight package.

The packing of it is another notable feature of the Scala. Fold the skin up onto the tip and it is compact. Slide it into the back of your pack, the reservoir sleeve, the shovel pocket or into a pocket of your jacket. The Scala stays flat and out of the way.

The Scala is made with G3’s Alpinist nylon plush. Stated weight, 283g/10oz in the 100mm width. MSRP, $210-$220

SCARPA F1

SCARPA F1

SCARPA’s new F1 is constructed with a carbon-fiber frame that runs the length of the boot under and around the sides of the foot. The cuff is made with raised I-beam construction. The combination results in a 95 flex boot. It can be set for 20 or 22 degrees of forward lean. Functional range of motion is 62 degrees.

Comes with a heat-moldable Intuition liner. Available in men’s and women’s models. Stated weight, 2lbs, 11oz for size 27. MSRP, $700.

Another new G3 skin is the Alpinist LT Mohair — made of 100% mohair, it’s the lightest skin in the G3 line. Stated weight, 229g/8.1oz in the 100mm width. MSRP, $195-205

Alpinist LT Climbing Skins are updated with a new lightweight nylon plush material and a simplified 1-piece tail clip. Stated weight, 234g/8.3oz in the 100mm width. MSRP, $190-200.

All G3’s Alpinist skins are updated for fall 2016 with re-engineered lower profile stainless steel hands to provide better ski fit and reduced tip-catch.

G3 lineup.

A few of G3’s backcountry ski lineup. From left to right: Women’s Synapse Elle, FINDr, Men’s Synapse, FINDr, Women’s ROAMr Elle.

FINDr 102
Dimensions: 133/102/120mm
Available lengths: 174, 179, 184, 189
Radius: 21-25m
Stated Weigh: 1.48kg/3lbs 4oz (174 single)

FINDr 94
Dimensions: 126/94/113mm
Available lengths: 167, 172, 177, 182
Radius: 19-22m
Stated Weigh: 1.37kg/3lbs (167 single)

FINDr 86
Dimensions: 122/86/109mm
Available lengths: 167, 182, 177, 182
Radius: 16-19m
Stated Weigh: 1.27kg/2lbs 13oz (167 single)

ROAMr 100
Dimensions: 129/100/117mm
Available lengths: 171, 178, 185, 192
Radius: 19-25m
Stated Weigh: 1.61kg/3lbs 9oz (171 single)

ROAMr 100 Elle
Dimensions: 129/100/117mm
Available lengths: 157, 164, 171
Radius: 16-19m
Stated Weigh: 1.44kg/3lbs 3oz (157 single)

Synapse Carbon skis are updated with new graphics.

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49 Responses to “New from G3 and SCARPA 2016/2017”

  1. Scott in Canada January 21st, 2016 8:03 am

    With the exception of the ski locking system do we know if anything has changed for the scarpa F1? I had a pair and while they were too soft for big old me they where the most comfortable boots I have ever been in.

  2. Greg Louie January 21st, 2016 9:09 am

    20 or 22 degrees forward lean? For real? Doesn’t look like it in the picture.

  3. Scott in Canada January 21st, 2016 9:12 am

    Greg Louie I sure found the old F1’s to be very “froward thinking” I suspect these are the same.

  4. Greg Louie January 21st, 2016 9:18 am

    I had the old F1’s as well and thought the same thing, but I believe it was more like 15 and 18 degrees.

  5. Scott in Canada January 21st, 2016 9:28 am

    Greg well if the lean any more forward on the new ones I would have iron quads after a season!

  6. Foster January 21st, 2016 9:38 am

    Old F1 Evo’s were 16, 18, and 20 degree forward lean. About the only thing about them I disliked.

  7. Jeremy C January 21st, 2016 10:12 am

    Has anything more been seen of the new G3 tail connector, as reported in Jan last year?

    https://www.wildsnow.com/15521/outdoor-retailer-2015-good-stuff/

  8. Seth January 21st, 2016 10:43 am

    Do you have any information on when the Scarpa’s will be available?

  9. Jason January 21st, 2016 10:58 am

    You’ve got a typo in the weight conversions:
    “Alpinist LT Mohair *** Stated weight, 229g/8.1oz in the 100mm width. MSRP, $195-205
    Alpinist LT Climbing Skins *** Stated weight, 234g/10oz in the 100mm width. MSRP, $190-200.”

    229g is 8.1oz but 234g is only 8.3oz. If the 10oz value is correct which would make more sense for a nylon high traction skin then the correct metric value is 283g. Sorry, I’ll go back to my engineering work now. 🙂

    If G3 made the scaled tip a full third of the length of the skin then you wouldn’t need skin savers at all.

  10. Tobin January 21st, 2016 12:32 pm

    Wow, that whole range of skis is crazy light! Did you guys have a chance to ski them and have any initial impressions? Also, native Utahn here – think you were in the Uinta range, not Unita. Cheers!

  11. Lou Dawson 2 January 21st, 2016 12:43 pm

    Tobin and all, G3 is proving that lightweight skis can ski, pretty cool to watch it happen.

  12. Lou Dawson 2 January 21st, 2016 12:46 pm

    Thanks Jason, I”ll correct. Lou

  13. Aaron January 21st, 2016 1:34 pm

    I skied the F1 evo’s all last season and have been skiing the new F1’s since November and can provide some observations:

    Overall the new F1s feel almost the same as last years evos; despite the published numbers I haven’t noticed the apparent increase in forward lean. I say apparent because when I compare the new F1s to other boots in the garage the cuff angle appears similar to boots in the high teens, but then again my eyeball may be off.

    The new F1s have a wider last in the forefoot than last years evos, and the toe tech fittings appear to be wider than last year – I have been having some difficulty getting the boots out of some race bindings as a result.

    The ski/walk mechanism is well done and seams pretty stout, so far it has held up to a lot of abusive skiing on fat skis.

    All and all I would recommend them to anyone who liked their evos.

  14. Lisa Dawson January 21st, 2016 3:00 pm

    Jason, sorry for the typo. The stated weight of the Alpinist LT climbing skins is 8.3 oz in 100mm width. I’ll edit and correct the post. Thanks!

  15. Lisa Dawson January 21st, 2016 3:03 pm

    Guess I was in too much of a hurry to go skiing this morning! Sorry for the typos!
    BTW, snow conditions in Colorado are fabulous right now!

  16. Lisa Dawson January 21st, 2016 3:08 pm

    A spokesman for SCARPA confirmed that the F1 can be set for 20 or 22 degrees of forward lean.

  17. Lisa Dawson January 21st, 2016 3:10 pm

    Tobin, yes we skied them and they were sweet!. Reports will be published in the next few days.

  18. Lisa Dawson January 21st, 2016 3:11 pm

    Seth, SCARPA F1s will be available fall 2016.

  19. Krista January 21st, 2016 5:23 pm

    Going skiing is an acceptable excuse for typos.

  20. See January 21st, 2016 7:08 pm

    Any clues as to the construction on these light G3 boards that can ski?

  21. Buck January 21st, 2016 7:23 pm

    I don’t understand this :

    “As you break trail in deep snow, it pops the tip of the ski up so you’re not struggling to kick up your ski on every stride.”

    how does the skin pop the tip up?
    what kind of upward force can a skin apply to a ski?
    what is it in the urethane that “pops the tip up” that a conventional skin is lacking?

    If I want to pop my tip up while breaking trail I have to use some balance, finesse, and apply a small but not insignificant amount of force using my muscles and bones/levers to change the balance point of the ski and get the tip up.

    What kind of Canadian physics allows a skin to do all this for me?

  22. Truax January 21st, 2016 8:59 pm

    Lol, Buck.

    But really, I’m curious about this crazy Canadian physics advantage too…

  23. Lou Dawson 2 January 21st, 2016 11:47 pm

    We have it in our corporate bylaws, that skiing is an excuse for typos (grin). Lou

  24. Lou Dawson 2 January 22nd, 2016 12:02 am

    Just watch Canadians play hockey, loft the puck, and you’ll understand Canadian physics. As for “popping the tip up” I can testify that the Contour skins made for Atomic, with smooth plastic under the tip, do help with trail breaking in deep powder. There is a very subtle effect wherein as you drive your ski forward in the stride, with less friction in the tip area of the ski seems to ride up just a little bit higher. In my opinion this is not a big deal but does occur, of more importance, in shallow trail breaking you don’t need all that friction from the climbing skin wrapping up through the tip curve, changing that to smooth plastic is a good thing. Considering that, I’m wondering if the G3 skin would have been better even without trying to put a traction pattern on the plastic, which seems counter to the intended effect. Indeed, putting that pattern on the tip area looks more like a designer or marketing person got their hands on the concept, saw that big blank area as a canvass for their creativity, and simply could not stand having a few square centimeters of product without graphics or some sort of design pattern…. More, I’d like to see some skins with the smooth plastic extended farther from tip down into the rocker. Lou

  25. Lou Dawson 2 January 22nd, 2016 12:17 am

    IMHO, the key to G3’s skis isn’t rocket science, it’s just that they make skis for demanding Canadian skiers, listen to feedback, and concentrate more on performance than on marketing. It also helps that while playing in the lightweight ski wars, they don’t make shaving 5 grams the priority. Not that shaving 5 grams isn’t important, but one has to have balance in ski design parameters just as in any other part of life.

    All skis are constantly becoming lighter, which disproves the myth that heavier skis generally work better, but the process of achieving the mythical 1 kilo ski has taken longer than many of us expected. I was just on my Sportiva Svelte yesterday, at 1,100 grams each, and was again surprised at how well they skied, but they’re definitely a bit nervous compared to some of my damper and yes heavier planks of about the same dimensions. In my opinion, the lack of weight compared to performance is a correlation not a causality. In other words, it is HOW a lightweight ski is constructed that causes how it skis, not how much it weighs. Skis such as G3 prove this to be true.

    (Note, however, that G3 has quite a few skis coming out or presently available, some may prove to be better than others, and how you personally like a ski is going to vary according to your exact use, mount position, type of boots, and so much more. Don’t take our word for it, demo those planks!)

    Lou

  26. Lou Dawson 2 January 22nd, 2016 12:34 am

    If any of you missed it, I did some time ago figure out a rough “halving rate” for ski weights. It is about 25 years. In other words, if the average lightweight ski these days is about 1,400 grams, in 25 years you’ll be on skis that weigh 700 grams each. Just a theory, but fun.

    https://www.wildsnow.com/13282/la-sportiva-vapor-nano-ski-review/

  27. Lenka K. January 22nd, 2016 2:55 am

    Interesting, the tips of those FINDrs look just like the tips of my WhiteDots … Work great in powder, both on the up and on the down!

    Lenka K.

  28. See January 22nd, 2016 3:36 am

    Cost aside, the bottom line on ski construction is performance– how does it ski, is it durable, is it light. I like knowing how different skis are made because I find it interesting.

    As for demoing… I’ve done it, but mostly I can’t be bothered. If it’s the right shape, weight and flex, generally it works (in my experience).

  29. Aaron Mattix January 22nd, 2016 6:35 am

    “Canadian physics” is why Canadians seem to shred harder than the average North American…

    The Scala skin (integument?) is quite intriguing; would the effect be more noticeable on wide skis versus narrow skis? Is it possible that a scale pattern could help with glide effiecency in the same manner of dimples on a golf ball? Or are air, and snow not alike in that regard?

  30. BillyGoat January 22nd, 2016 9:35 am

    Which genius came up with 20 and 22 Deg of forward lean?

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting more than 15 to 18 these days, and would rather see the options at 13 and 15.

  31. cam January 22nd, 2016 9:35 am

    Lou,

    just to answer your question about where the tread pattern came from, nope not marketing….we found in testing that tip washout on steep side hills was a real issue for skins with smooth tips…especially for more traditional ski mountaineering skis. We weren’t happy with that so we developed a grip pattern that helps counter this without affecting glide much at all. As with anything, it’s best if the product speaks for itself so we’re keen to hear what you guys think after you test them out.

    in terms of whether we used Canadian physics to work out the question or not, we tested these in Canada, South America, Europe and even Antarctica….so it was actually a mélange de physics eh!

  32. Lisa Dawson January 22nd, 2016 9:39 am

    Thanks Cam!

  33. Patrick January 22nd, 2016 10:41 am

    Lou. About “halving rate” for ski weights.
    How about “halving rate” for climbing.
    In spite of lighter skis/bindings/boots/packs/beacons, my climbing speed now is WAY less than half of what it was 25 years ago.

  34. Lisa Dawson January 22nd, 2016 10:42 am

    See,
    The FINDr is constructed with the following layers:

    Nylon top sheet
    Quadraxial stitched carbon fiber
    Titanal aluminium mounting plate
    Poplar and Paulownia wood core
    Triaxial stitched carbon fiber
    P-tex base

    Sidewalls are PolyUrethane. Edges are alloy steel.

    Here’s a short review about how they skied:
    https://www.wildsnow.com/19295/its-only-a-test-g3-findr-scarpa-f1/

  35. Jason January 22nd, 2016 11:53 am

    I suspect that the tips rising has more to do with changing the balance point than it does anything magical going on with the scaled design. The plastic should be lighter than the equivalent section of cloth and plush that would be there with a conventional skin which moves the center of mass further back on the ski, possibly even behind the pivot point on the binding.

    I notice a significant difference in the way my tails drop with my skins that have the original G3 twintip tail clip vs the same board with a clipless tail on the skin. That chunk of plastic hangs enough weight at the tail to lift the noses and drop the tails. It makes kick turns kick-free. 🙂

    And yes, more skiing is a good excuse for typos.

  36. Lisa Dawson January 22nd, 2016 12:41 pm

    Nice to have an engineer chime in. Thanks Jason!

  37. db January 22nd, 2016 12:42 pm

    I am currently using G3’s Alpinist skins on my DPS Tour1’s but recently learned of the LT version and instantly became very interested. However, Dostie’s opinion as posted on Earn Your Turns was that he felt they did not climb as well as the traditional probably due to the sparser/shorter plush. Anyone have any on-snow experience yet to report?

  38. See January 22nd, 2016 12:51 pm

    Thanks Lisa. That information is actually interesting to me. The construction (as far as I can tell) sounds advanced without being experimental.

    I also liked the review. Michael’s approach to getting new skis is very similar to my own (buy ‘em, mount ‘em up and hope for the best). This has worked pretty well for me over the years (with a few exceptions).

  39. John Baldwin January 22nd, 2016 2:53 pm

    I have used a pair of Alpinist LT for about 15-20 days. I didn’t find that they climb quite as well as the regular Alpinist (which I feel is a great balance between good enough traction and excellent glide). The LT has no better glide either. Also, though the LT are more packable, which is nice, they are not really lighter. For skins cut to my skis (99mm) the LT is only 20g lighter than the regular Alpinist for a pair.

  40. db January 22nd, 2016 3:07 pm

    Thanks John — I appreciate the firsthand feedback. I agree the regular Alpinist work very well but are indeed less packable that my old BD GlideLite mohair-mix skins. I do like the the G3 attachment much better personally. Thanks again!

  41. Lisa Dawson January 22nd, 2016 3:22 pm

    Jeremy C — here’s the beta on the new G3 tail clip shown in the link you kindly provided:
    The new clip is currently available on the Alpinist LT. Next year it will also be available on the Alpinist LT Mohair.

    ·A slightly different design of the new tail clip is currently available on Alpinist Splitboard and Alpinist High Traction Splitboard skins.

    The new tail clips aren’t available to purchase as accessories, only the camming tail clip and the twin-tip connector kit.

  42. Lisa Dawson January 22nd, 2016 3:46 pm

    I should have used a more subtle word that “pop” to describe the intended performance of the Scala tip. Wishful thinking on my part since my thighs are burning after breaking trail through the lovely deep snow we have in Colorado now. After a long day of chasing freshies, an extra bit of glide might help.

    The urethane (or more precisely, Thermoplastic polyurethane) tip is actually heavier than the cloth and glue it’s replacing. To compensate, G3 used slightly lighter fabric in the rest of the skin.

  43. nate porter January 22nd, 2016 9:08 pm

    All pros/cons aside to the Scala design, I’m surprised nobody has mentioned what could be a weak point- the bonding of the scala to the regular skin. The junction between the two is in a spot where the wrong hit on a rock could damage it. I haven’t used G3 skins in a while, but I have torn off the bonded tip connector by removing skins from skis w/o taking skis off.

  44. Lorne January 23rd, 2016 12:28 pm

    “When uphilling, there’s not a lot of grip benefit in the tip of a skin but there is a lot of glide deficit.”

    If this effect is real then how about removing the plush from the first 2-30cm of a normal skin somehow?

  45. Zach Winters January 23rd, 2016 1:35 pm

    Nice work G3! Time will tell if the difference in glide is all that noticeable, but regardless it is nice to see some innovations to the BOTTOM of the skin (other than poorly gliding “high traction” plush).

    Makes me wonder… remember the BD split skins with no plush in the middle for fat skis? Seems like they went out of style. The main drawback seemed to be that if you got high centered in the middle of the ski, zip! How about some of this G3 Scala business down the center for light weight, but less slip-out than the split skin?

  46. swissiphic January 23rd, 2016 2:11 pm

    “If this effect is real then how about removing the plush from the first 2-30cm of a normal skin somehow?”

    Simple ghettoworks test: cover that area with strips of shiny red tuck tape and wax it…see how it goes.

    please report back with findings.

  47. Chris January 23rd, 2016 5:03 pm

    Any changes or updates to the maestrale range of boots?

  48. Lisa Dawson January 24th, 2016 8:34 am

    Chris, no changes to the Maestrales.

    Maestrale, Maestrale RS, Gea and Gea RS will continue to be offered by SCARPA next fall.

  49. Willis Richardson April 13th, 2016 4:32 pm

    I need canting so I wondered if there is a canting mechanism on the new F-1. There appears to be one from the photo but I want to be sure.





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