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I’ve found that pronouncing Diiiiynafit and Deeeenafit both ways, depending on company, is key. I’g glad Aaron brought that up, almost as important as what brand airbag pack.
Got me curious, is there an equivalent in road cycling, e.g., Pinarillo or something like that?
Lou
Btw, if your technique is Sun’s, you will ski powder with the same technique that you ski groomers with, perhaps with a bit more weight on the inside ski.
Otherwise, same flex to release, certainly not up unweighing.
@Lou Dawson2 – Bianchi, and Marzocchi (both Italian brands) come immediately to mind as examples of cycling names often mispronounced by beginners.
Don’t forget the GoPros. Mount one on top of your ski pole for a nifty selfie stick.
Bibs? Do they still make those things?
I have heard Giant bikes pronounced “geant” like they were French.
How about skinning while dressed in every layer you own, looking like the
Stay Fresh marshmallow man?? Talk about a sweat producer. If you’re not freezing at the trailhead, you’re way over dressed for the skin track.
LOL. some good points. If I had bought really good gear when I started skiing I would be such a beter skier today with fewer disabilities due to ski injuries! My mantra is now: “Beginning skiers benefit more from the best ski gear than the best skiers do.” Just like fly fishing. I have seen this over and over again when guys buy budget gear for their non-skiing significant others and then are chagrined when she doesn’t enjoy/progress as far as they would like in skiing. In response to how to produce Dynafit–if you are using American English it is with the Y (Dinah fit); if you are faux Uropeein, its with the eee. I still bring too much gear 🙁
AT stands for All Terrain right? and Randonee is pronounced like RAN-doe-knee?
Tyler, it is just “rando” as in Rambo, bro.
Apparently Patagonia is pronounced Pa-ta-goo-chi?!
@Aaron Willier too.
The only way to progress beyond being a clueless beginner is to log some time as a clueless beginner.
SRAM is one of those pronounced many ways in the biking world. I have heard “scram”, “shhhram”, and “ssram”. Seems the latter “ssram” is more correct?
“Posthole the daylights out of the skin track like Allied bombers over Berlin”. Haha, great! And on the way down, link those perfect figure eights across the skin track.
@OMR “If you’re not freezing at the trailhead, you’re way over dressed for the skin track.”
Agreed! I don’t mind changing pace for slower skinners, but I hate stopping 5 times to remove shell/puffy/vest/long sleeves/hat&gloves. It’s a hard thing to teach though. It’s taken my wife 10 years to be okay with starting out a little cold.
Skinning with helmet and goggles on. Switching heel lifters every fifty feet. Skinning on tip toes up a steeper section.
An employee in the ski department at un-named big-retailer the other day told me that he just learned the difference between randonée and A.T. “So what is it?” I asked him. “Randonée is when you ski with your heels free,” he said. I could have confused him further by telling him that it’s French for “can’t telemark,” but I thought better of it.
Try pronouncing “Campagnolo” – most cyclists just say Campy.
Rhymes with “yo-yo.”…
… and now, from the world of bicycle cycling, weird style diktats!
(agree about the cotton, though, mostly)
Among the road bike high society
1) no cat 5 tattoo,,,
2) matching bibs and jersey ( and socks and arm warmers & wind vest you get the idea)
3) make sure your tire label lines up with it valve stem, ohhhh you people you know who You are
4) white bar tape & I mean white not with sweat & grease on it wimbelton white got it, how else does some one know you have a full time mechanic keeping ur steed in prime condition
5) cable tits seriously bro you use cable tits have some self respect and soder those freyed ends & oh by the way you’ll save about 3 grams
6) don’t carry a extra tube surely ur team car is right behind you right? ( don’t be that guy every one hates that guy)
7) Carbon wheels dog gotta roll some carbon, ya my max wattage is 176 and I’m 245 lbs but surely a deeeeep hoop will make up for that on my ” training ride ”
8) ever talking about wattage if ur fast ur fast, if your not ur not seriously stop the wattage war
9) and everyone’s fave waaay too much cham cream I admit it’s a guilty pleasure of mine as well but streaks of white running down ur legs isn’t worth the warm tingle..
10) being a total wanker to any one who doesn’t follow the rules as laid out above.
I’m new to the bc scene I really hope it’s not like the roadie scene I left years back
Ps can I still use Cham cream on the skin track?
The valve stem/tire label thing makes sense so you can find whatever caused the puncture.
exactly See, stem at logo is so you always know where the tire was on the rim in case you are getting punctures from something lodged in the tire
Using a hydration bladder and getting dehydrated when the tube freezes.
OR
Bringing water bottles and getting dehydrated because they’re too inconvenient to drink from.
Hey, Ben! I’ve been skiing forever, and just this season I have resolved to wear helmet and goggle uphill and down, always. Breaks–you name it! I have a reason: Less Gear Fiddling. So far, six days out in the wild snow, it’s working. (Hint: use well-ventilated helmet and google)
How do I pronounce Dynafit? G3.
OMR, my GF is notorious for overdressing at the trailhead! I just shake my head knowing that we will have to stop in five minutes so she can strip five layers:) Skiing and road biking in one thread, heavenly!
The ol’ tomato joke can be applied here. I say “Deenafit”, my wife says “would you shut the hell up!”
Brilliant Aaron! Our merry group of tourers ticked sooo many of those boxes first time out.
Can I add that all this should be tried out on something like the Haute Route. (yes we did this!)
Is there a word that combines cringe & shudder – the memory still brings out cold sweats.
-Heavy Gore-tex clothes vs soft-shell in most conditions.
-45 degree skin track.
-Avy beacon flopping around on the outside of the clothes instead of close to the body.
-Lifting the feet up off the ground with every step.
-Frame bindings w/ boots w/ lots of buckles (because “I am such a rad skier!”).
-Kamikaze downhill with every skier headed down at once.
-Forgetting chocolate.
Carrying knives (ski crampons to Americans) in January.
Putting skins in backpack at -30 C when there is a second lap coming up
and my favorite:
Taking the wrong pair of boots, skis, or skins from the hut in the morning – only to discover the error when the boots cannot be engaged into the binding for the downhill. I have seen this happen so often that I have “NOT YOUR GEAR” written on all my stuff in big letters.
Experience and learning.
We all have been through the easy stuff and continue to gain and build.
The process shouldn’t be defacto mockery.
Maybe I am reading this wrong but seems a bit like an elitist bitch fest, because no one is perfect and some of the silly things above even experienced people do.
11. Forgetting to bring essential avy gear is a big SNAFU.
I pronounce it “DIE-nafit”…just to see who corrects me. It’s usually out-of-season roadies…the type who line up their tire labels with their valve-stems.
PS No one’s mentioned “Bottecchia” yet?!??
….and you guys know that all efforts at lining up tire labels with valve stems are null & void, unless the rim has been laced to the hub so that the valve stem hole lines up with the hub label as well..right?
Perhaps the next “Beginner’s Learning Curve” observation could be, “Why Telemarkers are the Singlespeeders of the Skiing World”?
The Italian brand of bike Ciocc comes to mind. Sure there are ways to justify labels and valve stems but according to the Rules the only justification is because pro mechanics do it or shortened, Its PRO.
Wookie, I’ve seen that happen as well, and even almost done it myself. Luckily the boots felt kind of funny when I put them on in the morning and I realized my error. But I have indeed grabbed someone else’s hut shoes and got dressed down by a big German guy who scared me. (grin)
Posers who conceal that most of their mileage and elevation gain is done with snowmobiles.
Quick question as a beginner: if i want to do more backcountry and touring, but none of my ski buddies are at that level and I do not want to go out by myself, how do I find a group who wants to take a Beginner out for ski-touring, back-country?
any ideas for finding a group?
Walter,
Not sure where you’re from but many cities and regions have clubs dedicated to this sort of stuff (Mountaineers, Alpine Club of Canada, etc.).
You can also do a search for Facebook or Meetup groups (i.e. [your city] skiers).
The benefit of the club systems is a little more organization, oversight, and training available.
TEN MISTAKES OF AN EXPERIENCED BACKCOUNTRY SKIER
1. Head down with one skin still on
2. Get to the bottom and find one heel elevated, or both.
3. Leave gloves on roof when driving.
4. Leave boots in the parking lot
5. Leave the rocket box open
6. Forget to check all beacons.
7. Forget one of the necessary items. (ski, boot, gloves)
8. Forget one of the convenience items. (poles, skins, apres ski beer)
9. Put the liners in the wrong boot.
10. Lock yourself out of the car
walter
If your in N.W. Washington check Turns all year.com.
Don
Learning to ski in the backcountry on lightweight gear not in the resort with appropriate alpine gear, causing you to always flail and sometimes fall in powder, both waisting good snow and creating a need for sweaty bibs instead of pants.
Buy klunky gear?
Is that what we are calling non-tech bindings now? Historically speaking, a Marker Baron or Fritschi freeride aren’t exactly klunky. 20 years ago they would be considered, ultra light, slickly engineered bindings. They also cut out the learning curve of a tech binding. And most importantly cost. Proper tech bindings are 600$. Plus you then have to buy special boots. And likely your instructions would be that they need a special light weight ski. This is bad advice, not to mention that this is the classic backcountry snob comment.
The easiest way to get into the backcountry is a binding like a freeride or marker baron. It reduces the learning curve and the cost to entry. In fact, if I was taking a newbie into the backcountry I would want them using more familiar gear and these types of bindings dumb it down. A good metaphor is the Tracker beacon. The original tracker was promoted by a lot of people, including this site, because it reduced the learning curve. There is a lot to learn when you are in the backcountry. Understanding your bindings and boots is just one part of the equation. There is no reason to figure it all out on your first day!
Apingaut & Ryan : True. My first thought exactly. My second thought: not all of us can afford every new gear iteration and “clunky” gear or not we get around just fine, thank you (on titanals)
But Dewam saves the day: even truer – and way funnier.
and Dewam – forgot the:
“have a crap run down and find boots still in walk mode”
and the opposite
“find one foot blistering half way up and find one boot still in ski mode”
Dewam will have to add to his list:
Trying to save the hassle of removing skins and attempting to ski down that little pitch with skins on and bindings disengaged.
On klunky gear, continuing the bike analogy: 20 years ago, the Bridgestone MB-O was an ultra-light, slickly engineered bike. Today it’s 8 speed thumb shifters, 3 ring circus crankset, fixed seatpost, cantilever brakes, and road bike geometry, not to mention the (gasp!) 26″ tires, put it in the same category as Ramer bindings when compared to even entry level mountain bikes of today, equipped with dropper post, hydraulic disc brakes, geometry designed for actually riding trails, 1x clutch drivetrain, and efficient suspension.
OK, I can’t resist. @Apingaut, Ryan, and Geoff. I agree, it’s an elitist post, but, then again, buried therein are nuggets of wisdom for beginners like me. I also agree that the latest and greatest pin bindings might not be all that great. As I warned/threatened/begged/pleaded in comments to another post on this blog…I recently set up some fancy new carbon skis with new Diamir frame bindings. Mostly, I did so for piece of mind. I just don’t have to think about them. Gear that disappears. For me they are easier to use and superior to pin bindings in just about every area except weight. And I’m not sure weight really matters that much anyway. How fast I skin uphill is rarely or never the limiting factor for how much fun I have on any given day. Pin binding users…I really want to know, for anybody thinking about a Kingpin or a Beast or something similar, what are the advantages compared to a good Diamir binding?
Because this thread had drifted toward bikes an analogy from the cycling world might be appreciated. I spent many years deeply involved in cycling. I was a better road racer than I will ever be a skier or alpinist. In my later years of racing, I made a switch from tubular wheels to clincher wheels. Its not worth getting into the differences, but, basically, tubulars are expensive, hard to manage, high performance, and light, while clinchers are cheap, easy to manage, lower performance, and inherently heavier. Professional riders almost exclusively use tubulars. Showing up at a high level road race on clinchers is not unlike showing up at a skimo race with frame bindings. So why did I make the change to clinchers? Somewhere in a road race, as I was being dropped on a long climb, I had an epiphany, and understood that no matter what I was riding, no matter what wheels or bicycle, I would still be dropped. So I made the switch to clinchers, and was much happier thereafter, racing for some years with heavy wheels.
Last @ Aaron, I see you point, but I would argue that the MB-O from years past is actually better suited to how the majority of people ride most of the time. Compared to an inexpensive entry level MTB of today, the MB-O is lighter, fits better, handles better on a variety or terrain, and is generally more versatile. It’s just not as capable for the very limited use of riding fast downhill. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but, I would say, even more than skiing, mountain biking is not “all about the down.”
dewam, I like your list! After many years of skiing I still have to go thru a mental checklist before I hop into the truck. “Skis, boots, poles, beacon, shovel, probe.” Then I overlook something basic like a thermos or heavy gloves.
An uber-organized friend has a clever solution. In her mud room she has 3 index cards tacked up. One for cross country skiing, resort skiing and backcountry. Each is a basic gear list. One of these days I will do that too.
OK Aaron. For fit skiers who aren’t trying to win skimo races, but whose top priority is skiing performance (that is skiing serious terrain and/or letting ‘em run on the down), which is better, “klunky” Barons or tech bindings?
Maybe one is an “enduro” and the other is an xc race bike?
My advice would be to go touring with the setup you have.
For the record, I ski Atomic Tracker 13 bindings, but have a set of Speed Radical bindings, and TLT 6 boots awaiting skis. My plan is to have a resort/sidecountry setup, and a genuine fast & light touring rig. On dirt, I ride a steel singlespeed with a 6″ fork, 26″ wheels, and well on the hefty side of 30 lbs.
I think the “enduro”/xc analogy is spot on. Given a decent set of bike handling skills, one can ride a very wide range of bikes on an equally wide range of trails. While not everyone may be able to take full advantage of the performance envelope of a modern enduro bike, it allows riders to access a greater range of trails/terrain than they ever could on a bike tuned purely for xc performance, even though a bike like the MB-0 may well be more closely aligned to the skills of the average rider.
In skis, as in bikes, the correct answer to “what gear do I need?” is always n+1.
I put hundreds of thousands of vert on my used Barons (including some 8000′ days) before I finally managed to scrape the cash together for some Dynafits. It’s certainly doable, especially by young folks with plenty of time to work out and limited funds. Used frame bindings can be pretty easily found for about ~$100/pair.
That said, I left the plate bindings behind as soon as I could afford it.
@Lou Dawson2
Much to the dismay of embrocated Europhiles worldwide, your question regarding cycling ingroup Shibboleths comes at least a decade too late.
English is now the lingua franca of the peloton. Thanks to the dominance of Postal/Discovery & Team Sky this new millennium, a squad is no longer an “équipe” it’s a “Pro Team.” Colnago’s technology is so far off the back, no one talks about them, much less rides them anymore. All my European friends now ride Cervelo, Specialized, or Trek.
When I cut my teeth on the sport, your ability to pronounce “Ciocc” or “Vitus” was every bit as important as the little Italian flag on the leather shoes you painstakingly soaked & shaped to your feet in the bathtub before your first ride.
It’s a hard road nowadays for elitist velo-pedants: the barriers to linguistic entry are lower than ever before. Phil & Paul explain how to pronounce “peloton” in the first 15 minutes of each year’s Tour broadcast, & the unwashed Anglophonic masses are good to go.
Sigh. Oh for the Shibboleths of yesteryear…
Matt N, I question your use of embrocated; otherwise, a fine post.
Replace “Buy clunky gear” with “buy tele gear” and its spot on. I kid, of course… well sorta. I still tele from time to time and there is something intrinsic with that technique that is just flat out FUN, but I finally switched to AT a couple years ago after making too many tele-mark turns in the BC. As a life long alpine skier, I felt it was just safer for me to keep my heels locked down in the BC where the consequences of fall and/or injury are significantly higher. Props to the tele guys who absolutely shred in the backcountry, but I’ll save the freeheeling for the resort.
As for the ‘clunky’ frame bindings, I still think for the vast majority of bc skiers who may only ski a handful of days a year in the backcountry and don’t get pro deals or anything like that, the frame binding is the way to go. I still cringe when I see people beating around the resort day after day on tech bindings, so for the many people who can’t justify a dedicated bc setup, the frame binding and resort boot with walk mode is the way to go.
Tom, good point about frame bindings… It is indeed amazing to see the good deals on used ones, perfect for getting started on a budget. Lou
Hey Walter, sorry I missed your question about how to get started. Club, for example in Colorado, the Colorado Mountain Club, or in Europe any of the major alpine clubs. Going with a guide for a few days can help with networking. Lou
+1 for Colorado Mountain Club (CMC). They offer schools for anything from snow shoeing and cross country skiing to basic backcountry, AIARE I, telemark and full on alpine touring / ski mountaineering. Good way to learn, make new friends, and be in the backcountry with knowledgeable folks.
I’d like to add ‘forgetting to put boots into ski mode for the decent’ as a requisite right of passage for the newbie bc skier. So fun to watch newb’s ski down an entire run while flailing in the back seat, and then casually reach down and flick their walk/ski mode lever when they pull up next to me.
A couple things:
To those saying this is “elitist”, please find your sense of humor. I read it as satirical, since I suspect many (most?) of us have done these sorts of things. I saw the point being that you always end up learning some things the hard way.
To Walter, depending on where you live there may also be a backcountry ski patrol to hook up with. Joining one, as I did about 20 years ago, also can give you access to very cost-effective first aid, avalanche, and mountain travel training, while providing a service to the backcountry community. My patrol, Cascade Backcountry Ski Patrol loosely based out of the Seattle area, has nordic skiers, moderate backcountry weekend warriors (like myself), and extreme rippers on tele, AT, even a splitboard or two. Fun folks to hang around with.
I still sometimes get out too early, too late, carry too much stuff, etc. And I have taken half a turn with a heel riser up before a huge face plant. Part of the fun is in the learning. 🙂
Mark, I’d agree the learning phase is fun. Good memories, and I’m still learning!
as a newbie I can add one that’s happened to me the first AND second time I put on a touring setup with the intention to go uphill. when starting, on a flat, I tried to propel myself by pushing with the sticks only to promptly fall directly on my ass! third time I knew to just start walking…