Volkl BMT V-werks Mounting Pattern – Strong Enough?


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | April 11, 2014      

Please see our original Volkl BMT review.

It was strange to see a ski built that only specified one binding model. I can’t mount a tech binding on what appears to be a powerful ski? Is that a ripping sound I hear in the fabric of the universe, or just my binding pulling out of the ski?

Actually, in our opinion the warning printed on our Volkl BMT V-werks 106 testers is probably over-stated. Reason, the ski has does have an “H” pattern reinforced area for bindings mounts. The 10,000 vertical foot question, can you mount a Dynafit binding (or most other tech bindings) on these planks? In our opinion, yes, but with a few caveats. Check it out.

Behold the major caveat underneath the Marker F12.

Behold the major caveat underneath the Marker F12.

The famous 'H' template should explain everything, or does it?

The famous 'H' template should explain everything, or does it?

What you might want to do with these excellent skis if you really want to rack up some vert.

What you might want to do with these excellent skis if you really want to rack up some vert.

The Dynafit Radical heel unit screws fall easily in the reinforced 'H' pattern, but the toe screws have a slight overlap.

The Dynafit Radical heel unit screws fall easily in the reinforced 'H' pattern, but the toe screws have a slight overlap. In my opinion, they'd be plenty strong for an average sized to smaller skier, on a plank shorter than our 186 centimeter test skis. If you're big, on long skis, I'd say no. All is not lost, however, as you could still mount a tech binding with a wider base, such as a Plum, ATK or Dynafit Beast with their wide-pattern toe plates.

G3 Ion (available fall of 2014) mount pattern falls easily within reinforced area, toe unit pictured here.

G3 Ion (available fall of 2014) toe and heel mount pattern falls easily within reinforced area, toe unit pictured here.

Fritschi Vipec (2014-2015) heel plate on BMT mount reinforcement pattern, screws overlap into non-reinforced area.

Fritschi Vipec (2014-2015) heel plate on BMT mount reinforcement pattern, screws overlap into grey non-reinforced area. Reinforced mount plate shape is indicated by white.


Comments

134 Responses to “Volkl BMT V-werks Mounting Pattern – Strong Enough?”

  1. John April 11th, 2014 8:12 am

    I’m not sure the exact measurements but you likely could use a Binding Freedom swap plate on the toe both as a shim and a slightly wider mounting pattern. I haven’t done any of the measurements though

  2. Mike April 11th, 2014 11:09 am

    Maybe B&D Ski Gear will make a mounting plate to solve this problem.

  3. cam April 11th, 2014 2:13 pm

    ION mount should fit this perfectly.

  4. Lou Dawson April 11th, 2014 3:55 pm

    Cam, agreed. I was considering and suggesting bindings that are on the market but probably should have mentioned ION, of which we do indeed have mount pattern and will be available this coming fall.

    http://www.wildsnow.com/12414/g3-ion-binding-template-mount-screws-pattern/

    Lou

  5. John Gloor April 12th, 2014 10:36 am

    I wonder how proprietary mounting systems like this absurd reinforcement work for the ski maker? Many people might go the Marker route, but others might skip that ski since they have a good pair of Look or Salomon bindings to mount. Any why you cut it, those slender points to mount to cannot be as strong as a simple rectangle of support material which would accommodate any binding

  6. Poach Ninja April 13th, 2014 9:26 am

    You can mount ANY binding that you want on that ski.
    Just use BF or QK inserts. They will hold securely in a balsa-wood core without any mounting plate!

  7. John S April 13th, 2014 2:03 pm

    Why on earth would a ski maker sell a ski that excludes bindings? I see even Dynafit has given up on that.

  8. Lou Dawson April 13th, 2014 5:22 pm

    I’m just guessing, but perhaps weight savings gone weird?

  9. Lou Dawson April 13th, 2014 6:08 pm

    Added photo of how a wider hole pattern such as that of G3 Ion does line up with the reinforced area. See end of post. Lou

  10. John Gloor April 13th, 2014 10:17 pm

    Weight savings gone weird is right! Solid sheet under the arch of one’s foot, where no screws are, and skinny, whippy little stringers where the bindings mount.

  11. carlos April 14th, 2014 4:55 am

    does the G3 ion heel unit also fell in the H?
    thx

  12. Lou Dawson April 14th, 2014 6:35 am

    Carlos, yes, as I said in the photo caption “G3 ION mount pattern falls easily within…” I’ll edit and clarify that means toe and heel. Lou

  13. brian h April 14th, 2014 7:26 am

    Great crazy winter, snowman. The storms keep coming. Down here in the the Juans it just wasn’t the same. Enjoy your new foot of fresh all you lucky…luckies.

  14. See April 14th, 2014 9:41 pm

    I’d say the “famous ‘H’ template” by itself explains next to nothing regarding the actual construction of the ski. Is it the core that’s “reinforced?” The deck? Both? Neither (because it is really just a marketing ploy to favor Marker bindings)? Without some information regarding the actual construction of the ski, it seems to me that any discussion of what bindings will or will not work is mostly speculation.

    I did a quick search to try and make sense of the ‘H’ template and came up with nothing. Some one out there must have a trashed v-works ski and a chop saw.

  15. Con Hughway April 17th, 2014 2:46 am
  16. See April 17th, 2014 8:47 am

    Thanks for the lead. Still can’t tell for sure what’s going on with the mounting area, but pretty interesting nonetheless. Check out 0:54.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXhI9SL6wI

  17. Eric B October 30th, 2014 5:39 am

    Helpful guys Edge & Wax (UK) say the H pattern is reinforcement for edge hold (so doesn’t appear to be a marketing ploy), but Volkl discourage mounting outside it and warranty voided if you do (see Volkl downloads on Edge & Wax site http://www.edgeandwax.co.uk/1179753/products/volkl_v_werks_bmt_94_2015_mens_skis.aspx).

    Has anyone looked at mounting the 2015 Diamir Vipec on these skis? Wonder whether the heel screws are too narrow to fit comfortably in the H pattern? Thanks.

  18. Lou Dawson 2 October 30th, 2014 5:58 am

    Vipec heel unit screw pattern is 22 mm left/right, center “no screws” area of Volkl H pattern mount plate is 26 inches wide. The screws for a Vipec heel thus mostly in the plate area, with about a millimeter of the screw in the non reinforced area. In my opinion an average weight skier who skis bindings at moderate release values could mount Vipec and be fine, but it would probably void warranty.

    The H pattern is not a marketing ploy, but I doubt it does anything for ski performance, it’s more about saving weight though it might allow the ski to flex more evenly. Remember that engineers design stuff that works, then marketing guys try to come up with stories about all the many benefits, beyond what the engineering guys designed it for (grin).

    I added a photo of the Vipec base plate on the BMT reinforcement plate shape, see blog post above. Frankly, while Vipec is a contender, in this case I’d suggest a binding with screw pattern that falls in the recommended areas. G3 ION, Dynafit Beast, Marker Kingpin…

    With so many brands/models of skis and bindings to choose from, why force it?

    For exact Vipec mount pattern dimensions, see

    https://www.wildsnow.com/12587/fritschi-vipec-mount-template-jig/

    Lou

  19. Eric B October 31st, 2014 3:57 am

    Thanks for the helpful info and photo Lou, great advice. Agree, will look into the G3 Ion, Beast, or Kingpin…maybe the G3 in Halloween orange 🙂

  20. Gavin November 1st, 2014 8:55 pm

    Just picked up a pair of the Katana V Werks today – wasn’t going to buy any skis this year but these, brand new, at $350 was too good a deal… 😀 (apologies for the open gloating) I would prefer to mount my TLT Speeds with Quiver Killers but am concerned about the possible overlap wih the H pattern. Looking at the pictures above I think that the Ions might be a better bet, albeit more expensive. What are your thoughts Lou? Thanks!

  21. Lou Dawson 2 November 1st, 2014 9:12 pm

    Me, I’d overlap, but I’m a mellow skier with plenty of epoxy on hand. My advice to anyone else would be to stay within the pattern! Lou

  22. mike November 30th, 2014 1:50 pm

    So, to be clear, Beasts (16 or 14) do fit the pattern?

  23. Gavin November 30th, 2014 2:22 pm

    After also speaking with a reputable ski tech coupled with your advise, opted for the Ions. I’m not normally a first release purchaser of gear but figured the risk with getting Ions is possibly lower than destroying the ski; if I mount the TLTs & they rip, the warrenty is voided, if the Ions fail they should be covered 😀

    Thanks for the advise (and awesome blog)

  24. Eric B November 30th, 2014 3:02 pm

    I went with the IONs for my BMT 94s too for the same reasons (and it is a cool lookin’ combo!). Look forward to comparing notes once I get some vertical on ’em. Now just need some snow!

  25. Tricerabottoms December 8th, 2014 10:22 am

    I just mounted speed radicals on bmt 94s. The tech at a trusted dynafit competence center verified w volkl multiple times that it would be Ok. They said that it is OK and would not void the warranty. The tech also informed me that while mounting, the screws felt super solid. I haven’t skied them yet but they look great!

  26. Lou Dawson 2 December 8th, 2014 10:30 am

    Thanks for the take. We mounted Radical FT on BMT a few weeks ago and the screws felt fine.

  27. BK December 8th, 2014 5:22 pm

    Hi Lou- Above someone made a comment that any bindings could be mounted “safely” with the use of inserts. Just wondering what your thoughts were on that. I’ve read a lot of what you’ve already said and I understand that obviously you can’t say for sure. I also understand that mounting outside the pattern will void warranty. I’d just like your opinion on mounting a Dynafit Vertical with inserts (or without). I’m 5’11”, 170lbs, and ski fairly aggressively, though don’t get too far off the ground anymore. Thanks in advance.

  28. BK December 23rd, 2014 3:51 pm

    I asked the same question (Dec 8) of 2 different Vokl representatives. The first one (from Marker/Volkl Canada), offered that he was not a proponent of using inserts in general. He did however, suggest that even the 5th screw (in the midline) of the Vertical toe piece “should be fine”.
    The second rep (replying to my question submitted on Volkl’s website), indicated that for the warranty to remain valid, only the tip of the drill bit need fall within the defined mounting zone. The midline screw of the Vertical will thus void the warranty should any issues develop with pull out. However, given these two responses in concert, combined with my confidence in inserts, I do plan to mount my Vertical’s using inserts on the 109. Just thought I’d pass that along.

  29. Lou Dawson 2 December 23rd, 2014 5:57 pm

    Glad you brought this up! I just mounted Volkl BMT 94 skis recently with Dynafit Speed Radical, the screws went in tight and solid with quite a bit of torque, I’m 100% not worried about them. I did use epoxy and drilled with my smaller ski bit, and tapped a few turns. Having some trouble with the epoxy remaining soft, but that’s another issue. Perhaps I just need to keep it warm for another day. Overall I’d suggest:
    1. Use proper length screws (if you’re fooling around with toe spacers.)
    2. Use smaller drill bit, and only tap a turn or two.
    3. Use epoxy not only in the holes but smear a bit around under the toe unit to stabilize it, I roughed up the ski topskin with some sandpaper to enhance that effect.

    Lou

  30. Eric B January 28th, 2015 11:10 am

    Thanks to Lou’s helpful advice, I mounted G3 IONs on my BMT 94s, been on them since Dec with some good touring in the French alps, so far so good. Love the skis (see comment on BMT 94 review thread) and very happy with the bindings. Mount seems solid, fit the mount pattern (and keeps the warranty intact) and the bindings and skis feel like a good match – lightweight touring set up but ski with a freeride/big mountain feel.

  31. Carl B February 2nd, 2015 8:42 am

    Hi Lou!

    This is my first time posting here so hopefully this question fits in with the forum

    I’ve recently purchased a pair of V Works Kantana. My plan is to mount a new pair of Voile Switchback (not the X2) onto these skis.

    I didn’t know if anyone had an opinion about this. Boot Center or ski center? Any advice would be so appreciated. A little bit nervous and want to have it done right the first time.

    Thank you on the front end!

  32. Thom Mackris March 9th, 2015 10:54 am

    This mounting constraint is sheer madness, and they want to be binding ***, then why don’t they create some sort of mounting system for the Marker system?

    I’m further surprised at the Volkl rep’s comments about inserts.

    A bit of transparency is in order about what’s under the surface – apart from laying out the “H-shaped” binding area as they have. If you’re going to void the warranty, at least give is an opportunity to make an informed decision.

    Cheers,
    Thom

  33. Thom Mackris March 9th, 2015 11:01 am

    At least my favorite tech bindin (Ion) is “authorized” :wink

    Cheers,
    Thom

  34. Lou Dawson 2 March 9th, 2015 5:03 pm

    Thom, I just noticed, please don’t use the “Na****” word with Germans, very insulting. Lou

  35. Thom Mackris March 9th, 2015 5:05 pm

    Good point, and thanks for moderating, Lou. It’s become so embedded in our lexicon (post Seinfeld), that I forgot.

    Cheers,
    Thom

  36. Lou Dawson 2 March 9th, 2015 5:32 pm

    Thom, I was never sensitive to that till I got schooled by traveling. It probably depends on who you talk to, but I did get it explained that way.

    The holocaust and subsequent de-nazification has made everyone ultra sensitive, as they should be.

  37. Ann March 12th, 2015 11:12 pm

    Hi Lou,
    Any idea if you can mount Dynafit race bindings (Speed Superlights), using the optional adjustment plates, and end up in the proper reinforced mount zones on the BMTs? I know the adjustment plates add some width to the mount patterns (I think the heel adjustment plates are 39 mm wide) but I can’t tell if it will be wide enough.

    Or if not Speed Superlights, are there other race/lightweight bindings that might be sufficiently wide? I’d really love to find a solution that is lighter than the Ion or Radical that will work for these skis.

    Thanks!

  38. Lou Dawson 2 March 13th, 2015 8:06 am

    Ann, in my opinion your best bet would probably be to have an experienced tech install the bindings using properly installed inserts, that way you don’t add the weight and height of the plate. If you’re not a large skier you wouldn’t have any trouble with that configuration in my opinion, though you would still void the ski warranty.

    Again if you’re not large, using the plate with 4 screws, carefully installed and epoxied, I doubt you’d have any problems even if the 4 screws are not in the designated mount area.

    For the plate’s screw widths I’d contact a retailer, I don’t have any kicking around here to measure.

    Not sure if I gave the dimensions of the BMT mount area (it’s written on the template):

    The binding reinforcement plate screw mount areas dimensions start at 26.2 mm wide and go to 54.2 mm. In other words, the minimum width for a screw pair is about 34 mm.

    While I like the BMT skis, I’m not at all happy with this funky binding plate shape. It causes no end to fretting about mounting various bindings.

    http://www.backcountry.com/dynafit-tlt-speed-superlite-binding?s=a

  39. Tom Hermann March 29th, 2015 4:48 pm

    Lou,

    Do you have a link/download of the H-template for the BMT 109? Also, where is the sole center mark on the ski and do you have any recommendations whether to deviate from this?

    Thanks!

  40. Lou Dawson 2 March 29th, 2015 6:55 pm

    Hi Tom, The mount area max width is 54.2 mm, the area without mount plate is 26.2 mm centered within that, that’s all you need to know. I don’t know of any bindings that are too wide, some are too narrow. As for the boot center point mark on the skis, it’s a little black vertical mark on the sidewall ahead of the serial number. Lou

  41. SteveR March 30th, 2015 11:36 am
  42. Tom Hermann March 30th, 2015 11:21 pm

    Thanks, any thoughts on mounting the binding 1 cm forward on the Völkl BMT 109 (176 cm)?

  43. Michael March 31st, 2015 12:26 am

    Tom,

    I have the BMT 109 in the 176, mounted with Ions. I’m 5’10” 180 lbs. It skis great on the line. I see no reason at all to deviate from the recommended line.

  44. Lou Dawson 2 March 31st, 2015 4:40 am

    Tom, our tester BMTs ski fine for me, mounted on the mark, I use them quite often. Lou

  45. Rod April 7th, 2015 1:28 pm

    Mounted radical ft (12 if course on vwerjs katana s, and had no problems in 35 days, including a bunch in the resort, cranking serious turns on groomers.j

  46. Dirk April 15th, 2015 3:01 pm

    Hi Lou,

    How are the Speed radicals holding up on the BMT 94? Any issues resulting from the mounting constraints of the BMT?

    Dirk

  47. Lou Dawson 2 April 15th, 2015 4:36 pm

    They’re fine, and my epoxy didn’t even harden (have to redo eventually). I don’t ski them that hard but my son was out on them over Christmas a number of days, and didn’t have any trouble. That’s all I can tell you… Lou

  48. Dirk May 20th, 2015 7:07 am

    Hi Lou,

    after your commend I decided to just go for Dynafit Speed Radical on the BMT and hope that it would work out.

    I had them mounted on the BMT94 by my local ski shop and spent 6 days touring on them in Jotunheimen. I skied them pretty hard on the way down, in conditions varying form powder, slush, corn to ice up crud. The bindings seem to hold fine on the BMT and there is no sign of any issues with the mounting. So in my case BMT + Dynafit Speed Radicals = 🙂

  49. Tom May 21st, 2015 4:23 pm

    Hi Lou, I’m mounting some Volkl BMT 109s with Marker Tour F12 EPFs, I’ve drilled the skis and the holes have gone into air channels (can blow air from one hole to others!). Is this ok and should I just epoxy as normal or do I need to put something else in the holes for screw to grip?

    Mount pattern is definitely correct and centred properly on the ski, holes are from 41 to 50mm (spread from centre), so within the reinforced area.

    Any help or reassurance would be greatly appreciated!

  50. Michael May 21st, 2015 5:23 pm

    Hey Tom,

    FWIW I mounted G3 Ions onto some BMTs. I recall a few of the holes being drilled partly into the air channels. Some of holes reached the channels towards the bottom of the holes. I imagine most of the re-inforcement comes from the tops of the holes. Like the Markers, the Ions fall within the reinforced area.

    Mounted in a standard fashion with epoxy and no issues thus far.

    It’s a Marker binding after all, which Volkl recommends, so I can’t imagine it’s a problem if the holes are centered.

  51. Tom May 22nd, 2015 12:08 am

    Thanks Michael, that’s somewhat reassuring, though it still seems disturbing to have binding screws going in to air! Think I’ll give the volkl dealer and shop where I bought the skis a ring today to check it’s normal.

  52. Lou Dawson 2 May 22nd, 2015 12:30 am

    Tom, did the screws seem to torque in with normal firmness, no tendency to strip? If so and you epoxied the screws, and the screws are in the indicated binding mount area, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. One thing to remember about “hollow” screw mounts is use plenty of epoxy and flip the ski upside down while the epoxy cures, so a bit of it puddles around the screw threads inside the ski. Lou

  53. Tom May 22nd, 2015 2:54 am

    Hi Lou, screws seemed to bite tightly, I haven’t done the final mount yet so will make sure to follow the advice of lots of epoxy and turning skis upside down. Thanks. If I get anything useful from the dealer I’ll let you know.

  54. Lou Dawson 2 May 22nd, 2015 3:01 am

    Tom, you can tell from how the drilling feels, as well as tightening the screws. If those two things seemed fine, and you used the epoxy&flip, I’d say you’re good to go. But always worth checking on this stuff. Lou

  55. Tom May 22nd, 2015 5:02 am

    Hi Lou, when I drilled it was tough going through the top sheet (and reinforcement?) then it was in wood for about half the depth and then into air channel at the bottom, this was for all outside screws.

    I’ve spoken to the volkl dealer who said it should be fine as the screw will grip the sides of the air channel as well as the top layer. Does seem a bit strange though to make a designated reinforced area and then router air channels through it, surely for the weight difference it would have been better to leave this area solid wood?

    I’ll go ahead and mount as you advised and keep my fingers crossed! Thanks for the advice, enjoy the rest of Norway.

    Tom

  56. Lou2 May 22nd, 2015 6:01 am

    It will be fine.

  57. Tom May 22nd, 2015 10:36 am

    A follow up in case it’s of use to anyone else:

    Spoke to a very experienced ski tuner and mounter who has mounted several pairs of V-werks who said it was quite normal that some of the screw holes would go into air channels and just to mount as normal with epoxy but not to over torque the screws (he also thought it was pretty silly of Volkl not to make the area under the mount area solid wood).

    I’ve now mounted the bindings and it seemed to go ok, though the screws which did not go into air channels definitely seemed to tighten up in a more solid and reassuring manner. Would certainly seem more sensible for Volkl to make the reinforced H area solid wood or even better the whole mount area so as not to limit what bindings can be mounted.

    Hopefully the skis live up to their reputation to make up for the nerve wracking mount process!

  58. Tom Hermann May 22nd, 2015 8:50 pm

    Hey, can any of you Völkl reps/techs comment on this issue or are you concerned that the US Department of Transportation issues a recall? Dr. Christoph Bronder “the whole is worth more than the sum of the parts” (http://www.voelkl.com/company/company/philosophy.html), or is it ‘the hole’?

  59. Ryan July 11th, 2015 10:49 pm

    Hey Lou-
    I just discoverd your page a few days ago, and have been doing a lot of reading. Tons of very informative information here!
    I am curious if you have heard any additional feedback on the mounting zones for the V-Werks Katana and mounting TFT Radicals FT to them. I have both sitting in my garage and am just looking for additional opinions before drilling holes in the skis (not me, my local shop). Think I should be at all concerned? How are the BMT’s that you mounted holding up?

  60. rod July 11th, 2015 10:59 pm

    i have 30+ days on my katana s with radicals ft 12s, no problems.

  61. Ryschult1 July 14th, 2015 10:10 pm

    Thanks Rod-
    Anything special during the mounting process? Screws felt right going into the V-Werks Katana?
    More importantly, how do they ski? Been eyeballing this set up for awhile now so I’m looking forward to winter.
    Thanks for the knowledge.

  62. rod July 15th, 2015 12:22 pm

    the katanas are great.

    I skied them in the resort for a few days in firm conditions and they hold a great edge.

    bc, had them in many different conditions, and I’m very happy with them.

    anywhere from powder to firm step couloirs, too bad, and affected snow.

    I’m glad I didn’t buy the bmt, which are a lot softer torsionaly and don’t hold as good of an edge in firm.

  63. Gary Middleton October 14th, 2015 12:03 am

    Hi, Lou,
    Thank you for your excellent site! I’m an avid Volkl Katana fan and have two pairs of standard construction ,and planning to purchase the 184 a werks version in the next few days. My question is regarding the new Marker Kingpin tech bindings as that is what I plan to mount. I would expect this to be. ” no brainier” as they are Marker but with air channels and the fact they are a new entry I am looking for some reassurance . The G3Ions would be my 2nd choice but I like the idea of the Marker heel.

  64. Gary Middleton October 14th, 2015 12:05 am

    Hi, Lou,
    Thank you for your excellent site! I’m an avid Volkl Katana fan and have two pairs of standard construction ,and planning to purchase the 184 V werks version in the next few days. My question is regarding the new Marker Kingpin tech bindings as that is what I plan to mount. I would expect this to be. ” no brainier” as they are Marker but with air channels and the fact they are a new entry I am looking for some reassurance . The G3Ions would be my 2nd choice but I like the idea of the Marker heel.

  65. Lou Dawson 2 October 14th, 2015 7:15 am

    Hello Gary, consider yourself reassured. Kingpin fits on Vwerks ski like your favorite hat fits on your head. Lou

  66. Clive Saleman October 18th, 2015 2:45 am

    Hi Lou, I just bought used Katana Vwerks 184 mounted with Marker Kingpins from a ski shop owner he had used them for under 10 days touring South Island NZ. Description was that they were mounted for a 314mm bsl no prob my boots 317mm. However on examination I found he had mounted them 15-20 mm forwards of the line so I skiied them this week in spring snow as mounted and they went fine surprisingly and pleasantly easy to ski….I suspect these skis have a big sweet spot. I have removed the Kingpins and put in inserts I am about to mount alpine bindings also in inserts so I can interchange as required. Question: anyone have any recommendations for mount point? From what info I have found so far it seems people are split between on the line and anywhere from 2-4 cm forwards. The line is around 13.9 cm rear of centre which seems a lot…but they have a big wide flattish tail with most of the rocker up front. I have a conflict going on with the holes if I use Marker Griffons I can mount either around 4mm forwards of the line or around 20 mm forwards….I am leaning towards 4mm forwards of the line and if it’s a problem use the demo moveable toepiece. Alternatively if I use an Atomic Warden I can mount the toe anywhere and I have checked the screws fit inside the reinforcement area. Any advice from anyone on mount point would be appreciated. Thanx Stan

  67. Steve Cohen October 18th, 2015 6:26 pm

    Any thoughts about the ability to mount the new 22-design NTN Outlaws on a pair of BMT 109s? Would appreciate any thoughts/suggestions. Thx, Steve

  68. Lou Dawson 2 October 18th, 2015 6:43 pm

    Hi Steve, I can tell you that according to Volkl folks I spoke with the BMT skis are 100% not suitable for telemark bindings. With so many skis out there, pick something else that has a full size binding mount plate and is approved for tele by the manufacturer. Lou

  69. Steve Cohen October 18th, 2015 9:01 pm

    Thx Lou. Very much appreciated. I know it’s a tough question with all the options, but if you were to buy a tele ski to match with the NTN Outlaw, for all mountain terrain (80 percent lift served, some back country), could you give me a couple of suggestions? I mostly ski Aspen Highlands-lots of hikes up the bowl. Thx again, Steve

  70. John October 18th, 2015 9:48 pm

    I had my Meidjo bindings (size L) mounted on Volkl V-Werks BMT94 skis by Rhythm Sports in Cooma (Australia), using Meidjo-supplied Quiver Killer inserts and epoxy glue to spread the load of the screws given the light construction of the skis, and to allow the bindings to be swapped to other skis. As you may know, Volkl’s web site recommends that only Marker AT bindings be mounted on these skis. It has also been said that use of any other binding will void the skis’ warranty. My experience has been that with careful mounting, Meidjo bindings work perfectly well on BMT94s. Volkl USA owns Marker, so you can work out what’s going on here!

  71. John October 18th, 2015 9:55 pm

    Sorry, forgot to add that when I bought the BMT94s in Oslo two separate shops also recommended BD01 and Voile Switchback bindings, so I think we can take it on good authority that BMT94s are fine for tele bindings. Maybe if you’re a very aggressive skier the Volkl advice is OK, otherwise I’d take it with a generous grain of salt.

  72. rod October 19th, 2015 1:52 am

    Stan, I have the same skis and I mounted them 2cm forward, great results.

    Most people that ski the vwerks katana at squaw, have them mounted at +1.5 or 2cm.

  73. Lou Dawson 2 October 19th, 2015 8:36 am

    Hi Steve, I’d love to make some suggestions but I know nothing about telemark skis for lift served skiing. I asked Obewhanskinoobie and he too said his vast store of astral knowledge is pretty much focused on AT ski touring gear. Perhaps some other folks here could chime in. Lou

  74. Tom October 23rd, 2015 9:37 pm

    I finally got the new G3 Ion 10 (2015/16 model) to mount on my BMT 109s for this winter. Unfortunately, the mounting hole pattern is different from the template Lou published for last season’s model and no template was included in the box (duh…). Does anyone have the new template?

    Thanks, Tom

  75. Tom November 1st, 2015 2:59 pm

    I mounted my G3 Ion 10 onto the BMT109s and also drilled into the air channels towards the bottom of the holes. I put a drop of Gorilla Glue into each hole, waited until it had expanded and set completely (2 h), re-drilled the holes and mounted with epoxy as usual. The Gorilla Glue nicely closes the air channels around the hole and prevents the slow-cure epoxy from disappearing into the channels.
    Note: the 2015/2016 G3 Ions have a different hole pattern than those Lou published for last year’s model!

  76. Lou Dawson 2 November 1st, 2015 4:43 pm

    Tom, thanks for reminder about hole patterns! I’ll check and update where appropriate. Good trick with the Gorilla glue. Lou

  77. Lou Dawson 2 November 2nd, 2015 8:29 am

    Tom, I checked our 2015-2016 ION bindings compared to 2014-2015. Mount hole pattern is virtually the same on what we have here and what we published in the following post:

    https://www.wildsnow.com/12414/g3-ion-binding-template-mount-screws-pattern/

    Only difference is the front holes are .5 mm wider apart on our 2015-2016, meaning your screw holes would be .25 mm off, which is within tolerance for binding mounting. Nonetheless I’ll check template and accurize.

    What would be helpful is if you could share just how “different” your 2015-2016 ION ended up being, and what link did you use to get our published dimensions. I’d really appreciate that, instead of trying to track down where I might have published dimensions. Also, if I got it wrong in the template, apologies, I’ll check that this morning as well.

    Thanks, Lou

  78. Lou Dawson 2 November 2nd, 2015 8:38 am

    Just checked template, it matches up perfectly to a .20 mm or so tolerance (that’s my assumed tolerance for manufacturing of binding combined with printing of template). Remember that anything manufactured or otherwise produced to specified dimensions has a tolerance. Lou

  79. Wave November 12th, 2015 8:05 pm

    I also have BMT94 mounted with Rotterfella Freedoms and have no issues over the last three seasons (two in Australia and one in Japan). Rhythm also mounted mine and because it was the first pair they mounted they checked with Volkl..all good. What fantastic skis! .

  80. Kubismo December 31st, 2015 4:50 pm

    For us skiers that seek soulful turns and still tele, would the Meidjo bindings work? I believe the m-equipment site says the toes afix at 45mm so it should but just want to confirm before I blow my wad on these beauts!

  81. Daniel January 13th, 2016 3:24 pm

    I was wondering what you guys think about changing a pair of Dukes mounted on a V-Werks Katana to a pair of King Pins or Baron bindings? Will the holes interfere. Would it be safe to put Barons as they have the same pattern as the Dukes without risking damaging the skis?

    Thanks in advance and best regards,

    Daniel

  82. Thom Mackris January 13th, 2016 5:07 pm

    Hi Daniel,

    Since you’re the one who has to bear the consequences, why trust us when you can download templates from either this site or (for those Lou hasn’t inventoried) from Powderguide (http://www.powderguide.com/community/forum/post/zubehoer/montageanleitung-bindung-schnell-und-praezise-montieren.html?tx_mmforum_pi1%5Bpid%5D=seite#pid7410).

    Plot both bindings of interest out on a practice mount (2×4, etc.).

    I’m assuming your concern is with hole proximity between bindings on your Katana, and not the specifics of the BMT (which of course, are designed with Kingpin compatibility in mind).

    With respect to the fomrer, Lou has quite a few posts discussing hole proximity and Swiss cheese skis.

    Cheers,
    Thom

  83. Daniel January 14th, 2016 1:14 am

    “I’m assuming your concern is with hole proximity between bindings on your Katana, and not the specifics of the BMT (which of course, are designed with Kingpin compatibility in mind).
    With respect to the fomrer, Lou has quite a few posts discussing hole proximity and Swiss cheese skis.
    Cheers,
    Thom”

    This is correct, although It hasn’t been discussed on the H-Pattern skis afaik, hence the question. I did however print the templates as you said and the king pins will have to be adjusted forward or rearward of the dukes position as happens in most cases. The other question was if it is plausible to think that the Baron will be fine mounted in the same holes as the Duke. If you have the other thread available I would love to post there instead. Sorry if this is asked in the wrong section

  84. rob January 22nd, 2016 3:27 am

    Do you think one could screw the very nice ATK Free-raider 14 binding onto a pair of BMT 94? This binding has a 60mm wide mounting pattern, which mean it sits outside the Volkl reinforcement plate.

  85. Ann G January 22nd, 2016 10:56 am

    Hi Rob,
    The ATK Free-Raider mount pattern is too wide–the 60 mm screw pattern falls outside of the reinforced area. I mounted my BMTs with the ATK Raider 12 on inserts with no issues. Full wood contact for the inserts, even though the pattern suggested they might overlap slightly outside the reinforced area (especially in the heel). 5 days skiing on them so far, and no issues. Here’s the Raider 12 mount pattern:

    http://www.atkrace.it/wp-content/upl…/03/RAIDER.pdf.

  86. Daniel March 4th, 2016 3:11 am

    Have any of you guys mounted Quiver Killers on the V-Werks series of skis? I can’t for my life decide if I want to put my Dynafit radicals on there, or go with a Duke for harder charging and a stiffer boot (RX130)

    Seems like a waste to not use a light binding on the light ski but what’s your take?

  87. John March 4th, 2016 3:41 am

    I’ve got inserts (although I think they are made by M-Equipment not QK) securing my Meidjo tele bindings to my Volkl BMT 94 skis. Fantastic combination. The inserts provide attachment via a wider surface area within the ski’s structure, which should give better security as well as the ability to swap the bindings to other skis. There are others who are more aggressive skiers than I, but that’s my 2c worth.

  88. Daniel March 4th, 2016 4:49 am

    Thank you for your reply John! The question then arises if the H pattern can hold 2 sets of holes. But with all the reading I have been doing, and our conclusion that the QK/M-Equip inserts provide a better attachment it should be fine.

    I’ll just have to try I guess..

  89. John March 4th, 2016 5:31 am

    I understand the Meidjo binding falls partly outside the Volkl H-pattern anyway. In my case they seem to be very secure, and I’ve had advice in shops to the effect that other tele bindings can be good on BMT94s too.

    As to the number of holes you can put in a ski without compromising the ski’s strength, there must be some threshold which you shouldn’t exceed. I seem to remember a comment (possibly on WildSnow) to the effect that you can put more holes in a ski than most of us think before it gets dodgy, but that’s pretty subjective. Of course every ski design has different materials distributed in different places, and bindings require different numbers of holes in different locations, so I guess there are few hard and fast rules. One of the certainties seems to be that using inserts spreads the load because the external thread area is greater. If the insert’s thread is only partly cutting into a solid (eg Volkl’s H shaped) part of the ski, then the wider thread plus epoxy in the air channel must minimise the risk of a pull-out.

    I’m not a ski tech so happy to be corrected on the above!

    I should also say that using inserts has taught me the value of using Loctite. Over time metal bolts seem to work their way out of metal inserts and they need to be watched. I always carry the necessary tools and a few spare parts if touring. It’s all very well to swap your bindings to another pair of skis in record time, but if you lose a bolt in the snow you might not come home smiling.

  90. Lou Dawson 2 March 4th, 2016 8:04 am

    John, one rule of thumb is no new hole less than 2 cm from an old one, but that’s quite conservative. There indeed is no “rule” since there are a million variables that change the outcome, telemark bindings are yet one more variable…

    https://www.wildsnow.com/398/how-many-holes-can-you-drill-in-a-ski/

    Lou

  91. Daniel March 4th, 2016 8:14 am

    Lou, Thank you for your answer.
    The question it all boils down to is if I could mount both a baron and a radical 2.0 on the ski, with inserts. And not end up putting one of the bindings waaaay off “center”

    Best regards,

    Daniel

  92. John March 4th, 2016 8:23 am

    Thanks very much Lou. Indeed lots of variables. It’d be great to have a database which shows a cross section or an “x-ray view” for the binding area of every model of ski. Now back to the real world….

  93. Lou Dawson 2 March 4th, 2016 8:24 am

    Welllll, if you have a Baron paper template and a Radical 2.0 paper template, you should be able to figure that out pretty easily. Inserts do require large holes, so separating them enough does become an issue, in my experience. Sometimes the inserts are just not practical. With the Volkl I’d be concerned about placing too many inserts in the non-reinforced areas of the ski, as well as them being too close together. As for being off the factory mark on the ski, a centimeter either way is probably not going to make any difference, but I’d tend to go back instead of forward if powder is your game. Lou

  94. Daniel March 4th, 2016 9:00 am

    Lou: Thanks for your respons!
    I think I will mount the Barons first, that extra weight walking has never been an issue before. ANd if I feel I want them lighter I will remove Barons and mount Dynafits.. Heck, now I have another reason to get another set of skis…

    Have a great weekend!

    Daniel

  95. Lou Dawson 2 March 4th, 2016 9:20 am

    While I like inserts sometimes, I’m not a mega fan as I simply don’t have the time to deal with the mount time and the swap time, but I’m of course in a somewhat unique position of running a business with a stock of bindings. That said, I’m in the process of rigging a setup that swaps between an alpine binding and a tech binding, using inserts, trying to get that done before summer! Lou

  96. Gary Hayed June 11th, 2016 1:36 am

    Hi

    Just bought a set of v Werks katanas 184cm

    Looking to get some feedback from some previous owners on where you have been mounting your bindings

    The standard mount is -13.5 from centre which feels further back than my other set ups

    Any feedback would be much appreciated

    Thanks Gary

  97. Rick June 11th, 2016 12:40 pm

    Gary,
    I mounted my 184 Katana V Werks +1with my primary boots measuring 304mm. I’ve nothing to compare the mounting position to because that’s where I started and that’s where I’ll stay, these skis are amazing !

    Some folks have mounted as far as +3 according to some on Blister Gear Review ..

    http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2014-2015-volkl-v-werks-katana

  98. Gary Hayed June 11th, 2016 12:55 pm

    Thanks for the feedback Rick

    I will have a look at the blister review

  99. Christian October 25th, 2016 5:45 am

    Hi,

    are the ATK Raider 12 or 14 compatible with the H-pattern of the BMTs?

    Thanks, Christian

  100. Lou Dawson 2 October 25th, 2016 6:31 am

    Raider 12 2.0 and Raider 14 2.0 have wider heel holes pattern. Lou

  101. Christian October 26th, 2016 3:24 am

    Thanks for your fast reply! Did I get that right, the patterns of the raiders are too wide?

    Christian

  102. Lou Dawson 2 October 26th, 2016 7:18 am

    Hi Christian, sorry, I thought you were alluding to the binding hole patterns being too NARROW. I can’t check at the moment, but my guess is that the Raider 2.0 will fit the BMT H-Pattern. Lou

  103. Christian October 26th, 2016 11:43 am

    Hi Lou,

    I just talked to my lokal dealer. Unfortunately the hole pattern of the raider 12 2.0 is indeed to narrow (front: 30 mm). FR14 is too wide for the front (60 mm). Maybe I should go for a ski with a less complicated mounting pattern. What do you think about the dynastar mythic as an alternative?

    Christian

  104. John November 14th, 2016 6:17 am

    Hey Lou,

    Any idea if the Warden fits in the H-pattern?

  105. MK March 14th, 2017 3:45 pm

    Posting a comment as a follow up to an earlier comment left in 2014 that was asking about swap plate mounting.

    I have a pair of 186 BMT 109’s, black and green gen 1 version.
    I mounted them with MarkerFit plates and ski them with Marker Jesters for in-bounds/side country and tour on dynafit FT12’s. I’m 6.0′ and weigh about 195 lbs with gear/pack. I have about 80 days of skiing in on them, from powder and soft to firm/ice and have had no issues with screws pulling out.

  106. Lou Dawson 2 March 14th, 2017 4:43 pm

    That sounds like a nice setup MK, thanks for chiming in. Lou

  107. Seth July 1st, 2017 8:16 pm

    So, I just picked up a pair of 2016 BMT 122’s (176 length) looking for a nice wide touring setup that I can use inbounds as well. I would prefer a tech binding for weight savings. What options do I have?

  108. Lou Dawson 2 July 2nd, 2017 8:28 am

    I’m sure you know I don’t necessarily blanket recommend classic tech bindings for inbounds (classic meaning those that work on the original principle of release sideways at the heel and have pins at both toe and heel). That said, if you don’t fall much and are experienced, “modernized” classics such as ION can fit the bill. Fritschi Tecton might be holy but needs consumer vetting for a season, Vipec Black is becoming proven. Lou

  109. Seth July 2nd, 2017 11:41 am

    So, fritschi or Ion it is for tech then. Any thoughts on Kingpins? Would they fit? Any recommendations for a lightweight framed traditional AT binding? Thanks, Seth

  110. Rick July 2nd, 2017 3:50 pm

    Seth,
    I run the Ion 12 on my Katana’s, they fit the H mounting pattern perfectly.

    On my Volkl VTA 88 Lite’s I run the Dynafit RS Superlite 2.0, they also fit the H pattern nicely though it’s a narrower pattern than the Katana’s ..

  111. Seth July 2nd, 2017 6:07 pm

    Would the H pattern on BMT 122 be similar?

  112. See July 2nd, 2017 7:19 pm

    Lots of stuff on Wildsnow about Kingpins. It says “only for Marker bindings” on the skis so I’m guessing Kingpins would fit. Not much enthusiasm here for frame bindings, especially if used with tech compatible boots (some research suggests tech toe fittings might impair release with non-pin toe pieces).

  113. Seth July 2nd, 2017 11:17 pm

    Interesting, thanks for the responses. Looking forward to this winter! Had to take off last winter because of a broken ankle. I am scoping for those off season deals! If anyone knows where to get IONS or Kingpins for a deal, let me know! It would be greatly appreciated. -Seth

  114. See July 3rd, 2017 6:38 am

    In the interest of full disclosure I should say that I rarely use tech bindings inbounds. Some people seem to think tech bindings are ok for regular resort use, but I’m not one of them. Also, it may be that the supposed problem with frame bindings and alpine touring boots has to do with the soft lugged sole as much (or more) than it has to do with the tech fittings, but I skied for years inbounds with frame bindings and rubber soled alpine boots with no major issues. See around 10:40 in the video in this post https://www.wildsnow.com/21152/ski-binding-release-avalanche-safety/ (Also, I plan to try vipecs this coming season, but I currently have no experience with them.)

  115. Seth July 3rd, 2017 8:25 am

    I would say that 85% of my skiing this year with this setup will be backcountry/touring/etc. I might ski 5 days inbounds on this the entire season.

  116. Lou Dawson 2 July 3rd, 2017 9:10 am

    Seth, in that case I wouldn’t let the inbounds skiing influence your decision on what binding. Just be aware of what you’re skiing on, inbounds or out. Lou

  117. HansDampf August 18th, 2017 11:13 am

    In 2014 I contacted Völkl and asked for the required distance of drilling holes for a v-werks katana.
    The answer was that the front part needs 4 screws, 3 (e.g. some dynfit) will not work, with no required distance. For the rear part they recommend at least 46mm or more (no limitation) distance.
    Well this does not fit to the “H-pattern” and so I requested if I understood really correct and they confirmed.
    The last two years I used a dynafit radical 2 FT and had no problems. This year I’ll try to use a ATK raider 2.0 – If I spend this amount for such a good ski with low weight the binding should be also a lightweight one

  118. Lou Dawson 2 August 18th, 2017 11:18 am

    The ATK did do well in my evaluations. Lots of people like them. Lou

  119. HansDampf August 19th, 2017 2:49 am

    Yes – I have three other pair of back country skis with ATK mounted and no trouble at all with atk – in my view with raider 2.0 atk will get a rising star of pin binding manufactors. Light, durable, easy handling, no damages,

  120. Rex October 16th, 2017 10:47 am

    Would Salomon/Atomic Mtn bindings work on the V-Werks Katana? Sorry if this has already been answered. I did a search, but couldn’t find the answer…

    Thanks!

  121. Lou Dawson 2 October 16th, 2017 2:03 pm

    Using the mount pattern template I have here, the MTN-Backland toe screw pattern is perfect, while the heel screws fall on the lines marking separation of reinforced area with non-reinforced. Me, I’d go ahead and mount for myself, using epoxy and care, but your mileage will vary, if you are a larger person and-or ski aggressively, I’d pick a different ski or binding.

    Voiding the ski warranty is something to think about…

    I wish I was a fly on the wall at Volkl, to find out if this binding excluding mount pattern was really a good idea or not. I suspect not but that’s just an opinion.

    https://www.wildsnow.com/12762/volkl-bmt-mounting-pattern-strong-enough/

  122. Rex October 16th, 2017 3:07 pm

    Thanks Lou!!!

    Then to recap: the bindings that would fit the h-pattern are:

    Marker bindings, including Kingpin
    G3 Ion

    As for Plum and ATK, they both have toe plates that are wide enough. Are the heel plates wide enough?

  123. Mark W October 26th, 2017 8:17 am

    Reinforced mount area material is likely some sort of “unobtanium” nano composite. Just drilled some 2017 V-Werks Katanas, and though the drilling felt NOTHING like breaching Titanal, when screws went in, they tightened up decisively with nary a hint of trouble. Super handsome skis–in a space-age kind of way.

  124. Mark W October 26th, 2017 8:22 am

    By the way, thanks to Lou for posting the pic of the H-shaped template aid; measured the Dynafit Raidcal ST 2 screw mount width, and it nailed the middle of the reinforcement. Also, thanks to Tim, Volkl sales rep who just happened to drop in and answer all my immediate V-Werks mounting questions at the perfect moment.

  125. JD October 28th, 2017 8:30 pm

    Hi,

    I picked up some 2016 BMT 94’s on sale.

    You’re saying the newer Dynafit Radical ST 2.0’s will mount entirely within the H pattern whereas the older Radical bindings in the photo above did not?

    Thanks!

  126. Al November 18th, 2017 5:58 pm

    Hi- I picked up some bmt 94s, 176. Mounted them on the line. Waxing them up and laid them next to a pair of skis the same length w tech bindings and was astonished to see that they are mounted a full 5.5 cm ahead of the other skis! Is this something that should concern me? Are skis that differently shaped that you can be hanging 10 on one pair and in the (relative) back seat on a pair of skis the same length? I haven’t skied them yet, and I don’t want my head to get in the way of things, but it’s a little disconcerting. Thanks

  127. See November 18th, 2017 7:37 pm

    For what it’s worth, I’ve noticed the same thing (with different skis) but haven’t had a problem with the more forward position. Of course, your mileage may vary.

  128. Al November 19th, 2017 9:07 am

    Interesting. Lined up other skis and some were more forward than the bmts. Reading around, seems some people move the binders back as much as 2cm on the bmts for soft snow. I got them at a decent price and I usually ski soft snow, so I may move them back if seems that might help. Great opportunity for somebody to put a universal plate out there to mount different bindings at different positions. Probably already out there…

    Lots of snow in the Tetons and central Idaho currently, btw.

  129. Lou Dawson 2 November 19th, 2017 9:18 am

    Al, it’s of course interesting to compare skis, but nearly worthless in determining binding position. Personally, I often stay with recommended position but sometimes I do move forward or back. With the BMT I’ve been entirely happy with the manufacturer’s recommended boot position, for what it’s worth. If desired, another set of binding holes in the ski won’t hurt anything, so long as they’re drilled in the reinforcement area.

    Bear in mind that the radical “full rocker” of the BMT makes them a much different ski than most others.

    Lou

  130. Al November 19th, 2017 2:57 pm

    Thanks for the input. Asa there is more snow I’ll try them out at the current position. I figure there are so many variables I don’t want to jump to any premature conclusions. I do have a question about old holes in skis. In college, a million years go, I worked in a shop and we would fill an old hold with epoxy and then slam a golf tee into the hole and then smear some on top to seal it. This seemed to provide a pretty good fix. Is there a more up to date technique to plug old binding holes that people use now?

  131. Lou Dawson 2 November 19th, 2017 4:11 pm

    Al, the common method are plastic plugs sold specifically for the purpose. I usually tap them in with a bit of epoxy just to make sure. We’ve also filled quite a few holes in skis with just epoxy. Lou

  132. Christian November 19th, 2017 7:36 pm

    Just lined up some similarly-lengthed skis with my 176 BMT 94s, and the 94s were about 3-4mm forward. The other were skis with tip-rocker, though, so I would kinda expect them to be a little further back compared to a full-rocker ski. I imagine that, even for manufacturers, determining ski boot center is a bit of an art with feedback from testers prior to production, but don’t really know if that’s the case.

    As an aside: not to be that guy who says, “I remember when,”…. but I remember when (ok, I’ll be that guy), in the straight-ski days, that Voelkl marked their mounting point according to the toe of the boot. Woe upon the rookie ski tech who didn’t know that yet!

  133. Al November 20th, 2017 12:08 pm

    I hear ya Christian. Mine aren’t 3-4 mm. They’re 5.5 CM further forward!! And they aren’t even the most forward mounted toe piece in the lot. I also remember 1/2 the cord length toe on the line method from olden times. It’s snowing hard outside right now, so maybe it’s back to the future for winter as well.

  134. Lou Dawson 2 November 20th, 2017 2:54 pm

    AI and all, the binding position has to do with interaction of sidecut and rocker, it has nothing to do with measuring distances from tip or tail. It is roughly determined by the ski designers and engineers, then field tested, sometimes extensively. At least one major maker has told me they have a team of x Worldcup racers and expert rec skiers they get out on the skis for hundreds of hours, with adjustable binding mount plates, so they can determine “best position.” And even then, yes, moving forward or back a centimeter or two can be good. For example, one thing to remember is that the larger your boot, the farther back your tibial shaft is in relation to the factory boot location mark. More, in my opinion the factory mark is indeed slightly forward of where I like it for “western” powder skiing (but I’m just talking a couple centimeters). It would actually be better if they started marking skis with where they think the centerline of the tibia should be, perhaps? Lou





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