Dynafit TLT6 P Ski Boot — First Retail Look


Post by WildSnow.com blogger | September 11, 2013      

UPDATE: I got another pair of TLT6-P here at WildSnow HQ, 27.5, BSL 297. Super interesting how the weight game plays out with my older TLT5-p.

Last year's TLT5-P to left, latest TLT6-P to right.

Last year's TLT5-P to left, latest TLT6-P to right. Due to being able to run a shorter shell size than last year, I ended up with the same weight and more performance. What's not to love about that!?

For a real apples to apples weight comparo I grabbed my TLT5-Ps from last season. They’re one shell size larger, which is the only way I could get a fit in the toe area. Thus, this is a real-world comparison of two boots that fit one person. The TLT6-P fits me way better in a 27.5 grabbing me around the ankle like a toothless bear. I knew they’d be a bit tight from when I tried them last winter; nothing a shell punch at the toe and a liner bake won’t take care of.

The numbers

TLT5-P shell, size 28, BSL 307 weighs 32.3 oz, 914 grams (no power strap, no removable tongues)
TLT5 Intuition Pro Tour liner weighs, 10 ounces, 284 grams
Total 1198 grams

TLT6-P shell, size 27.5, BSL 297 weighs 32 ounces, 910 grams (no power strap, no removable tongues)
TLT6-P Custom Ready (beefier) liner weighs 10.3 ounces, 292 grams
Total 1202 grams

(See below for weight and thoughts and weight regarding the CL Custom Light liner option that’s available in Europe.)

So check it out! For virtually the same weight on my feet as last winter (4 grams more) I get a beefy liner and a better skiing shell, more warmth — and a cool green color. Just for grins, I’ll shave 12 grams of rubber off the sole. All this because I can run the slightly wider and flex-from TLT6-P one shell size smaller. Added benefits: the shorter boot will feel better for climbing and walking without skis, and if I run a lightweight liner in the TLT6 I’ll end up with an even lighter setup than last season — the goal every year here at WildSnow.com.

And check this out, the European available CL version liner (Custom Light) is the same thing as last year's stock TLT5 liner. I happen to have a mint pair of this in the WildSnow shop, perfect for experimentation.

And check this out, the European available CL version liner (Custom Light) appears to be virtually the same thing as last year's stock TLT5 liner. I happen to have a mint pair of this in the WildSnow shop, perfect for experimentation. This pair of 28 fits my 27.5 Six Shooters perfectly after molding, with the small amount of extra length my custom performance fit needs in a liner. Weight is a scanty 6.2 ounces per liner (174 grams). So if I run this liner I'll have a full 4 ounces (113 grams) less per foot. That's a fairly significant difference. Worth the sacrifice in performance? Stay tuned.


Original post follows
Our local glycogen powered ski shop Cripple Creek Backcountry got the TLT6-P backcountry skiing boot. My personal copies are in transit so I ran over to the Creek for a first look review (doors open in about a month, but they’re hard at work, and yes, taking calls from customers.) This pair of size 28 weighs in at 47.2 oz, 1338 gm with the swap tongue installed. Comes with a stiff tongue and soft tongue, or you can run with no tongue (the mode I prefer). Click all images to enlarge.

IN the wrapper, a celestial choir broke out in praise as we opened the lid.

In the wrapper, a celestial choir broke out in praise as we opened the lid.

Stripping off the clothing, TLT6P by Dynafit, for backcountry skiing full-on.

Stripping off the clothing, TLT6P by Dynafit, for backcountry skiing full-on. I like the color, sort of a mellow green. Never liked the white.

On the scale, with tongue installed 1338 grams, liner is 290 of those.

On the scale, with tongue installed 1338 grams, liner is 290 of those.

Plastic ridge protects outside buckle from damage and inadvertent opening. We'd like to see more effort made with this, but it's a good start.

Plastic ridge protects outside buckle from damage and inadvertent opening. We'd like to see more effort made with this, but it's a good start.

Overall, the lower buckle is much nicer than last year's version, though we'd still like to see it all relocated to the top of the tongue.

Overall, the lower buckle is much nicer than last year's version, though we'd still like to see it all relocated to the top of the tongue.

Last is just a few millimeters wider, warmer and easier to fit. If you like narrow boots I don't think the added dimension will be too much to deal with.

Last is just a few millimeters wider, warmer and easier to fit. If you like narrow boots I don't think the added dimension will be too much to deal with.

Big deal is TLT6 P has NO metatarsal flex at the ball of the foot. This alone will make the boot ski much more powerfully, not to mention being easier to customize.

Big deal is TLT6 P has NO metatarsal flex at the ball of the foot. This alone will make the boot ski much more powerfully, not to mention being easier to customize.

A boot board of sorts is stuck to the interior bottom of shell. this will add warmth as well as some friction to keep your liner from sliding around and reducing performance.

A boot board of sorts is stuck to the interior bottom of shell. This will add warmth as well as some friction to keep your liner from sliding around and reducing performance.

Another view, showing lack of front flex as well as improved buckle.

Another view, showing lack of front flex as well as improved buckle.

Liner is VASTLY  improved over previous years. Noticeably stiffer and denser, with a nice reinforced area in the shin bite region.

Liner (CR version shown) is VASTLY improved over previous years. Noticeably stiffer and denser, with a nice reinforced area in the shin bite region.

Liner has reinforcements all over the place including welded areas where boot rivets bored holes in some liners.

Liner has reinforcements all over the place including welded areas where boot rivets bored tragic holes in some liners.

If you know about big travel suspension technology, you know what a limiting strap is. Well, now ski boots get one.

If you know about big travel suspension technology, you know what a limiting strap is. Well, now ski boots get one. Cool idea.

TLT 6 may be available with two different liners. How retailers will deal with this is an open question, but it might be a precursor to our suggestion from years ago that liners be sold separate from shells.

TLT 6 may be available with two different liners, CR ('Custom Ready' on right) and CL ('Custom Light' on left, which may actually be liner that swaps to other Dynafit model shells for a lightweight minimalist option). How retailers will deal with this possible optional liner situation is an open question, but it might be a precursor to our suggestion from years ago that liners be sold separate from shells. Click to zoom

Our only concern: we wish they’d totally eliminated the side buckle. We’re not sure the cuff rivet has any improvements to prevent wear.

Overall, a finished looking shoe that might just be the best backcountry skiing boot ever made by Dynafit — and most certainly one of the best ever overall. Now to ski in them…

Shop for Dynafit TLT 6 P backcountry skiing boot.

Comments

177 Responses to “Dynafit TLT6 P Ski Boot — First Retail Look”

  1. Colin W September 11th, 2013 3:34 pm

    Want.

  2. barry o September 11th, 2013 3:34 pm

    Does the TLT6 have a wider last then the TLT5?

  3. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 3:37 pm

    Yes, two or three millimeters at ball of foot and up on one side of the instep area, or at least that’s my take from lots of listening.

  4. Leszek September 11th, 2013 3:46 pm

    Nice. Also wondering about the wide, must check in shop:)
    Lou can you make some review of La Sportiva Spectre?
    Regards

  5. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 3:49 pm

    Best we can do for Spectre at the moment is our coverage in this blog post:

    http://www.wildsnow.com/10459/outdoor-retailer-summer-gear/

    It looked super nice, easily a contender. I’ll be covering it as much as possible as it fits right in with the WildSnow gear ethos.

    Lou

  6. Gregg Cronn September 11th, 2013 4:44 pm

    Can you tell us what the size range will be in the US? I need a 30.5 (US 13) but can’t find a listing for that size in the US. Looks like you can find it in Europe at that size. Loving the blog Lou. Keep up the good work.

  7. Paul September 11th, 2013 4:55 pm

    Is the last length/bsl unchanged from tlt5? Thanks!

  8. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 4:57 pm

    Most certainly, unchanged. Pretty much the same mold. Lou

  9. Mike W September 11th, 2013 5:08 pm

    Nice teaser. Looking forward to getting my mitts on a pair.
    Love the double tap in the background. Now that’s my kind of shop!
    M

  10. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 5:08 pm

    Gregg, from horse mouth to you: North American imported sizes to be 22.5 – 30.5 so you’re in luck. I’d imagine some shops might need to special order the 30.5, so you might ask around. Lou

  11. Jim Sloves September 11th, 2013 5:29 pm

    Can you compare/contrast to last year’s Mercury boot?

  12. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 5:43 pm

    Biggest difference is Mercury has a DIN sole that’ll work with any frame type alpine touring binding, while TLT should only be used with tech bindings. Same walk/ski mechanism. Cuffs are different materials. Lou

  13. Dave Johnson September 11th, 2013 6:31 pm

    Lou,
    I’m still on Green Machine’s. how do they compare?
    Dave

  14. Lou Dawson September 11th, 2013 7:31 pm

    Dave, a big difference is in walk mode. The double action rear cuff/tongue rig on the TLT/Vulcan/Merc boots has to be experienced to be believed. Overall, the boots also tend to be stiffer in downhill mode than your Machines, though perhaps slightly less progressive in flex. Lou

  15. Dave Johnson September 11th, 2013 7:53 pm

    Thanks, Lou. They’ll be driving BD Convert’s through Sierra snow, which can vary from light powder to, um, pretty heavy stuff. And a week at Valhalla Mnt. Touring.

  16. justin September 11th, 2013 9:15 pm

    On a related note, has anyone messed around with making some sort of micro adjust for the Ultra Lock buckles on Vulcans, TLT5s etc? That is one of my complaints with my Vulcans. I miss being able to micro adjust the upper buckle, and there is a fairly large distance between the various spots the ultra lock cable goes into on the receiving end (not sure what to call it, but the part where you latch the cable into one of the 4 or 5 curved hooks as seen in the pics above)

  17. Doug September 11th, 2013 11:16 pm

    Hey Gregg Cripple Creek is going to have a pair of 30.5 if you are interested the link is in the post.

  18. Terry September 11th, 2013 11:40 pm

    Best 9/11 post, Lou!

    Moving forward…

  19. Eric Steig September 11th, 2013 11:42 pm

    A big annoyance of the TLT5 is that the velcro powerstrap is too high, relative to the height of the liner, and it tends to slip up and onto the leg. Or to put it another way, the front of the liner is too low.

    Has this changed?

  20. Pablo September 12th, 2013 6:22 am

    One important question is that Dynafit does not recommend TLT6’s for it’s use with the new “beast” binding.
    They say no to install the beast heel tech fittings on TLT6’s, TLT5’s, DyNA’s, and PDG’s because of the lack of material to assure a secure fix of heel fittings.

    It’s obvious that no one is thinking in a DyNA-Beast combo, but TLT5 Performance, performs enough to use they as a freeride boot for some skiers

  21. Dave Field September 12th, 2013 7:58 am

    Glad to see the new gear has made it across the pond before the snow flys. I’m looking forward to reports from the field regarding how they fit, ski and hold up to serious use. It looks like the Cripple Creek folks maintain a good work-play balance. I see a bike trainer and beer tap is part of their special equipment, presumably required to keep up with leading edge technology!

  22. Jack September 12th, 2013 9:16 am

    Gosh darn it! I’ve barely got time on my TLT5’s and now they are a little outmoded!
    Golly! The answer is to SKI MORE. So nice to see things moving forward.

  23. Lou Dawson September 12th, 2013 9:30 am

    Jack, don’t get too carried away. Some folks really like the TLT 5 form, including flex at ball of foot. For long flatter tours I’d still prefer them as the tiny bit of flex really helps with many hours of striding. On the steep skin track, however, the metatarsal flex does nothing for you, always good to remember that as well.

    Main thing about lack of foot flex in TLT 6 is that they’ll ski more powerfully without the “sag” resulting in a softer feel.

    Lou

  24. Arnie September 12th, 2013 10:14 am

    Hey Lou,
    Have they got that bottom buckle in the right place? or will you be moving it back a bit?

  25. Lou Dawson September 12th, 2013 10:18 am

    Hmmm, good question. Not really a “right” place for it, depends on your foot shape. I wouldn’t be surprised if I moved it…

  26. yurtmiester September 12th, 2013 11:25 am

    But can u lock in top buckle without switching to downhill mode. Otherwords, can u fasten buckles but still have touring range of motion? Or are we still doing home mods to address that function?

  27. Lou Dawson September 12th, 2013 11:29 am

    Still doing mods, but they’re super easy.

    http://www.wildsnow.com/6371/dynafit-tlt5-buckle-mod/

  28. Giovanni September 12th, 2013 1:26 pm

    Lou, the instep buckle is just a bit backward then the tlt5 one

  29. Lou Dawson September 12th, 2013 1:32 pm

    Awesome! One less mod I have to find time for!

  30. Andy September 12th, 2013 2:00 pm

    It loos like the power straps are attached with an allen key bolt instead of a rivet. Drilling it out for removal in the past wasn’t an issue, but this makes them seem a little more detachable (and re-attachable).

  31. Scott Nelson September 13th, 2013 9:43 am

    I’d be curious to see how these compare to the One’s, which of course I just bought last year….

  32. Mark W September 13th, 2013 10:28 am

    Looks like liner is much improved. Good. Can’t wait to try these on.

  33. Vincent September 13th, 2013 10:35 am

    Lou, any idea if you’ll also get a hand on the new la sportiva spectre? I’m curious if I should see it like a beefed-up version of the TLT6 or more as a lighter version of the Maestrale and Cosmos. The weight of the TLT6 is actually close to the weight of the Cosmos. Only 100gr difference between Cosmos and TLT6 and it looks like the Spectre will be even closer…

  34. Lou Dawson September 13th, 2013 10:54 am

    Hi Vincent, yes, we should be receiving both Spectre and Cosmos any day now. I’ll have both versions of TLT6 here as well, for ultimate comparo. Should be fun (so long as my clone is available and I stop using up time by sleeping). Lou

  35. Nils September 13th, 2013 11:59 am

    Is there any difference in performance between the TLT6 CR (Custom Ready) and CL (Custom Light) liners?

    The CR liners seems to weigh 160 grams more and are beefed up and a bit taller but will you notice any difference when skiing?

    This is the best info I’ve found so far about the different liners: http://www.mountainski.eu/177/several-days-long-testing-of-prototype-of-new-ski-touring-boots-dynafit-tlt6

  36. Lou Dawson September 13th, 2013 12:36 pm

    Nils, I’m sure you’d notice a difference. More, I’m not sure we’ll actually see the boot sold with the more minimal liner. One of my Dynafit catalogs only shows the CR. But the main catalog does show CR and CL. If the two liners are sold, whether that difference is important or not is going to be a very individual decision. Thing is, no way to know for sure what’s going on with this till we evaluate retail versions of everything. All the pre-production testing and reviewing in the world simply doesn’t add up to much.

    That’s why we don’t pant like mad dogs over extensively testing pre-production stuff, we’ve been burned dozens of times by things that changed by the time they were retailed. The web has exacerbated this, as we bloggers are like a wolf pack going after the pre-production and prototype evals, with the PR folks laughing all the way to the bank. I’m guilty as charged, but I’m definitely always trying to tone it down. (Not that you’d notice, the way we just drooled all over the new BD airbag!)

    I can tell you that the retail CR liner is beautiful and is what I’ll probably use, since I ski the TLT boots without the tongue.

    BTW, around here anything with the acronym CR stands for customization ready (grin).

    I’ll add a catalog shot about the liners to review above. Give me a moment.

    Lou

  37. Lou Dawson September 13th, 2013 1:11 pm

    I added catalog image to show different liners, see bottom of post.

  38. wbarker September 13th, 2013 1:26 pm

    Quick question on sizing. I think I’m on the cusp of 30 or 30.5. Are these the same shell size? And if so, is the difference the liner or just the footbed? Don’t think there’s a retailer close enough for me to be able to try both on…

  39. Lou Dawson September 13th, 2013 1:30 pm

    Call Dyanfit/Salewa, but I suspect both are the same shell just different liner length. Lou

  40. Doug September 13th, 2013 1:35 pm

    So the only difference between a 30 and 30.5 is the pre-mold they do from the factory. They are actually even the same liner size but they do a slight warm up so it fits better out of the box. Just to be clear that is the same for all Dynafit Boots except for the PDG and DyNA where a 29.5 and a 30.0 would be the same. Also from the horses mouth.

  41. Dane September 13th, 2013 1:52 pm

    Hey Gregg, saw you were looking for the 30.5. The 30 and 30.5 shells sizes are the same @ 327mm. Easy enough to blow the liners out and make them a 30.5 as they are also the same liners and sizefor a 30/30.5 justintitially molded differently. 30s aren’t that easy to find either. But easier than a 30.5 which is actually the same boot.

    BTDT with a 29/29.5 so just wanted to relate the facts for you.

    http://media.dynafit.com/PDF/Conversion_Chart_Boots.pdf

  42. Dane September 13th, 2013 3:08 pm

    Sorry Doug, saw you beat me to that info. Good on ya. At least I wasn’t days behind you which would bemore typical.

    FYI, as I procrastinated my preseason orders I saw the amount and sizing of the tLT6 in stock drop like a rock. And had to start juggling funds for gear I wanted now..including buying what ever shell fit and forgeting the half sizes.

    Last year I simply missed out. This year I squeeked by but only barely.

    Sizes are going quickly and no more boots in the resupply chain till Decemeber now. You can thank bloggers like Lou and I plus the ski forums (TGR?) for that feeding frenzy. I need to remember, buy everything needed first..then write about it 🙂

  43. Lou Dawson September 13th, 2013 3:34 pm

    I predicted last year that the beef boot pendulum would swing back to lightweight, as North American skiers learned how to utilize this stuff. Dav was spotted in Aliens, and it goes on from there. Dane is right, it’s a feeding frenzy. Luckily we’ve got quite a school of fish to chew on. Lou

  44. Dane September 14th, 2013 3:11 am

    LWT boots? Too bad they can’t yet be as durable as even just the next step up in boot weight. Guess I am asking for too much when it comes to “race” parts. Although I no longer consider a TLT 5 or 6 a race boot. Just really lWT ski boots now. Funny how our perspectives can change in a shiort time frame. A couple of years, less than 30 months has made a huge difference in what we find accpetable in a boot for for use and for price..

    I may buy a new pair of boots ever other year or more but my wife won’t. They are going to be forced to up the durability @ $1000 a pop +, just to stay in the game is my though.

  45. Dane September 14th, 2013 3:50 am

    Hey Lou just caught this. And won’t be talking with Dynafit till Monday to clarify.

    Riddle me this? Looks like the picture you posted of the new inner is actually a PDG/Evo race boot liner and not the Palau foam liner we might have a chance \oto see at some point for the TLT6. Take a look at the photo I snagged from mountainski.eu.

    That liner is a bit more complicated and I’d suspect more like what everyone seems to want (except for Jonathon;) for a TLT6…the Intuition Pro Tour?.

    http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/09/what-we-wont-see-in-north-america-more.html

    Or maybe there are actually THREE TLT6 liners…which would make some sense as well. I like your the idea of buy the shell and the npick your own liner more and more.

  46. Lou Dawson September 14th, 2013 6:20 am

    All,

    After seeing retail CR liner, I’m pretty sure most folks would just stick with that, it is beautiful. My mode will probably be to use CR liner with laces but no tongue. That said, Intuition is always there, ready to fit the bill.

    Indeed, there will come a day when liners and shells are sold separately, or at least have separate SKU numbers for dealer inventory with prices for each, so that customers can pick and choose without the shop having to make deals that mess up their inventory system. As in “we’ll keep the stock liner, knock $150 off the price of the boot, and sell you this other liner for $170.00.”

    As stock liners get better and better, this seems very workable in once sense, since the separate SKU will be for something of value. On the other hand, perhaps liner swapping will become a thing of the past and my crystal ball is flawed.

  47. Lou Dawson September 14th, 2013 9:01 am

    I verified a few things this morning about Dynafit boots. TLT6 will be sold with the CR (Custom Ready) liner. The beefier liner we detail above, super nice. The CL or what they call “race” liner will be available as a separate retail item. CL appears quite nice and will save a bit of weight (a few ounces, a few hundred grams), but probably not enough weight savings to make it worth the money and such involved in switching — other than for folks who are shaving grams.

    Lou

  48. Dane September 14th, 2013 11:00 am

    Agree on the original CR liner. I’ve liked it from the get go. Comfy for my feet. Didn’t care about the weight at some point because the fit was so good.

    The liners you have pictured in this thread are something like 125g +/- difference in weight for my 29s. 188g for the older P and vs 312g for my 6 liner no lace, verified. I would expect even less weight difference between the liners pictured on mountianski.eu which under inspection is simply a very close copy of the older TLT P liner but with the laces added and a slightly bigger flex zone back and a new one top back of the boot.. Curious now as to what eventually shows up here for retail sales as the, CL (Custom Light) liner.

  49. Nils September 15th, 2013 12:39 am

    Good to hear about the CR liners, I’ll be skiing with my TLT5 Mountains (with TF liners) for as long as they’ll hold up but sooner or later I’ll have to replace them and TLT6 Performance looks really great.

    The TLT5 Mountain version is way to soft to ski without the tongue for me, even with a pair of Manaslus, and it gets kind of cold driving snowmobile with them but it’s a great boot and I really like it.

    In a way the TLT5 (and of course a lighter ski) has opened up a lot of more opportunities for me to ski, I had a pair of K2 Sidestash in 188 cm and Zzeus but the weight was limiting so I sold them.

    To able to go further, climb higher or ski more laps is more rewarding for me than having good down performance on any condition. Unfortunately, my friends aren’t all that convinced that lightweight equipment is worth the money so for many tours I get to ski solo. Everything is a trade-off..

  50. Giovanni September 16th, 2013 4:48 am

    Thanks Lou! your approach to the production products is perfect!
    About the liners:
    – The TLT6s are available in North America with only CR liner. They are the best for this market, warmer, more down hill orienteed, adeguately thermo customizable (in the mean time it’s not compulsory to thermo form them, therefore good for whoever wants to buy on line the boots)
    – The fit of the liners is now done without footbed. In this way the skier can adapt the personal anatomy on the soft bottom layer of the liner. This layer changes thickness between the full and half size

  51. Chris September 16th, 2013 9:59 pm

    Lou-

    Will the new stiffer tongue of the tlt6 fit in the tlt5?

    I’ve seen how others are modifying Vulcan tongues, but its an imperfect match. From the top down pic it looks like the new tongue may fit better and add that little extra power transfer I’ve always craved.

    Thanks for the post!

  52. Lou Dawson September 17th, 2013 7:35 am

    Chris, ABSOLUTLY, the “Hard” tonge will fit TLT5. Only thing is, it is just slightly slightly stiffer than the TLT5-P tongues I have sitting here next to me. And I might be imagining, as I’m just checking by flexing in my hands. If I were you I’d order up a pair and evaluate yourself. Or “if I were you” (grin) I’d just add some stiffening plastic to my existing tongues.

    For me, all this stuff is plenty beefy. I ski the TLT boots with no tongue most of the time, but I do keep the add-in tongues around, and take them with me when I travel in case I’m asked to ski at a resort.

    And in the end, if a person needs more beef but wants the “Dynafit” feel and touring comfort, Vulcan is the answer to the question.

    Lou

  53. water September 20th, 2013 12:57 pm

    any thoughts on comparing the Performance vs Mountain? A few years back basically you’d said the carbon cuff made a noticeable amount of difference performance wise, even though the weight was nearly identical. I’m wondering if thats still the case or if this boot is overall improved such that the mountain vs performance difference is negligible. Its $150~200 or so price difference, is there that much performance difference or is this dynafit making a great margin by putting on a piece that costs $10 more for them to make? I have no idea just sometimes I think there can be a ‘carbon coolness’ vs that jacks the price up without terribly discernible benefits when it comes to a lot of products. But I aware CF is a fantastic material and has plenty of great uses–just curious any thoughts on the performance in these boots.

  54. Dane September 20th, 2013 1:14 pm

    Yes there is a big differnce between the P and the Mtn in performance. But I don;tthink that is the end of the story. I like the more progeressive flex of the mtn even though it is a softer boot over all. But a P will aloow a lot of things while being more versital. Easier to strip the P and ski sans tongue and power strap. . And ski a fat skis with. Little more flex in the mtn for booting. Either is a good boot. If you want to drive big skis and ride a lift on occasion get the P. I just added a bunch of detail on a comparison at CT.

  55. Dane September 20th, 2013 5:01 pm

    Hey Lou just noticed you edited the original post and added the old TF liner from the TLT5s. Are you *absoluletly* sure the old TF liner from the TLTP is the new CL liner for the TLT6. You may be right but my bet is, it is NOT.

    “I happen to have a mint pair of this in the WildSnow shop,” that comment and the conflicting info on the euro web sites makes me rather suspicious.

    You’re hooked up at Dynafit well enough to get the straight story. Just wanted the facts, so thought I’d be very specific and ask.

  56. Lou Dawson September 20th, 2013 5:14 pm

    Hi Dane, sure, I’ll continue to go after it. Inside the industry, when they use pretty much the same mold for a boot, and already have a liner from a previous boot that fits, it’s likely they’ll use that liner again, perhaps with a few changes. Main thing is I’d bet the weight is so similar as to make it valid to use as a comparison, that’s why I went with it. Wasn’t intending to create any confusion, I’ll look at how I worded the post. Lou

  57. Dane September 20th, 2013 5:56 pm

    Never thought other wise and much appreciated !

    Agreed I used the same liner myself when making weight comparisons. If the newest CL is heavier it won’t be but a few grams I suspect. Looks like the TF with laces added, new back flex patch pattern and a flex patch added to the ctop of the cuff from what I can tell.

    Really curious as to what you find for fit. I came to the same conclusion as a mutual friiend of ours. New last and foot bed will help some and hurt others. The 6TLT is without a doubt a tighter boot for me even with the additional 2+1mm last.

  58. Scott September 20th, 2013 8:34 pm

    Thanks, Lou. This is excellent.

    Do you know how the TLT6 fit and weight compares to a ONE PX?

    I’ve tried the ONE PX in a 26 that skied fairly well. The shell on a 26 is 294mm and the boot weighed about 1,400g.

    From what I’ve read, the TLT6 shell in 27 is 297mm, so would that be the comparable size? Or is it best to go by the same mondo size rather than a similar shell size? (Hope that makes sense.)

    Lastly, if the TLT6 is 1,338g, then I guess it’s not much lighter than the ONE PX?

  59. Greg Louie September 20th, 2013 9:38 pm

    @ Scott: My TLT6P’s (27.5) weigh 1303 grams with the black tongue in and the CR liner. The One PX 27.5 I weighed last year was 1488 grams.

    You should go with the Mondo size rather than BSL; the 26.0/26.5 TLT6 shell has a 287mm sole but the interior fit is similar to the Vulcan/Mercury/One 26/26.5 shell though a little less voluminous in the toe box. The “6” actually feels a little taller in the instep.

  60. Dane September 20th, 2013 10:40 pm

    “Lastly, if the TLT6 is 1,338g, then I guess it’s not much lighter than the ONE PX?”

    FWIW those two particular boots are very good comparison now in so many ways . My 29s are now only a 5.5oz per boot apart in weight.

  61. Jack September 21st, 2013 7:27 am

    Lou, even with the 3 mm extra width, I probably have to mod my TLT6’s. I remember Derek wrote about heating TLT5’s with boiling water and using a clamp, a tennis ball and a piece of wood, to make the boot a bit wider. Another technique (this was done with my Zzeus boots) is to heat the boots in an oven, put them on super tight (using your feet as a mold) and cool them off with cold water or snow. Which mod (to widen them a bit) would you recommend ?

  62. Greg Louie September 22nd, 2013 10:22 am

    @Jack: I’d recommend finding an experienced bootfitter to widen the shell – the Dynafit Grillamid shells take a punch very well. The melt point of the plastic is well above 212 F. and the oven technique (usually at ~225 F.) is more useful for increasing volume generally around the foot (pulls the hardware out to the limits of the holes) rather than widening the shell locally around the perimeter of your foot.

  63. Jack September 22nd, 2013 2:50 pm

    Thanks Greg. I will discuss it with my bootfitter (Nick Hammond of MountainAir in Verbier). My educated guess is I’ll probably need more volume and Nick will go for the oven technique.

  64. JonB September 30th, 2013 2:41 pm

    On the ONE or the other TLTs i imagine, I wanted to echo an earlier question that i think was missed about the ability to keep the top cuff area smaller by keeping the top buckle closed without engaging the cuff lock. Once i unbuckle the top buckle and strap in the walk mode the cuff size gets pretty large and bulky and wont fit under my ski pants completely.

    On the BD Primes, i release the back connection and i get almost full walking range without undoing the top buckle or the power strap. On the ONE i release the buckle and get quite a bit of backward range and some front, then i release the top power strap and my leg moves inside the liner and that gets me some more forward range but it not ideal and i am not getting any 60 degrees of true flex. My leg is moving inside the liner, not the cuff rotating forward and end up with a gob of cuff that i cant cover.
    All you TLT5 and 6 people that have the same cuff must have experienced this increased circumference of the cuff. Whats the secret to getting the full range in walk mode without the blown out cuff?
    Love the weight and the feel of the boot on the foot. Walk mode i am not getting the plan…
    Thanks

  65. Lou Dawson September 30th, 2013 6:56 pm

    Jon,

    The designer’s idea with TLT boots is if you have the upper cuff buckle as tight as is necessary for downhill mode, upon releasing the buckle the wire bale will still provide enough closure of the cuff so as to keep things trim and functional. Only in practice, as you found, it doesn’t always work that way.

    What the boot needs is a lean-lock-blocker. For some reason Dynafit never incorporated such a thing or offered it as an option, so instead the DIY modders have had to take over. (Which is always an interesting thing to watch on a 1,000 dollar shoe.) We’ve got several blog posts about various mods for this. Example: http://www.wildsnow.com/6371/dynafit-tlt5-buckle-mod/

    That’s part of the “secret.” The other part is that everyone has different diameter and shaped legs, and everyone has various ideas of walking comfort and how they want their boot to feel. If BD Prime is what floats your boot in this respect, I’d suggest either staying with it, or installing lock blocker on TLT if that’s where you really want to go.

    Oh, one other thing. Shell sizing can make a drastic difference in how a boot feels while in walk mode. For example, too large a shell may ski ok, but feel really sloppy once the buckles are set for walking. Keep that in mind when evaluating different boots. Also, it’s impossible to get a 100% read on either skiing or walking fit until the liner is molded to your foot. Which leads me to ask, did you shell fit and liner mold all your evaluation boots?

    Lou

  66. Jonb September 30th, 2013 7:33 pm

    Lou,
    Thanks for your insights. Hadn’t seen the buckle mod thread. I have the right shell. I haven’t got them molded because I am in inside demo mode and noticed the cuff needed some getting used to, for me. The boot fits my fore foot and heel well and the sole length is shorter than the prime and has a less clunky feel to it. I will see what floats my boat here real soon if this weather keeps up. Tonight it seems like November 1.
    Again, thanks Lou. Keep you posted.

  67. Lou Dawson September 30th, 2013 7:38 pm

    Hi Jon, yeah, if you got a good fit in the liner and shell, then your take is totally valid and I respect that. It sounds like you need a lean-lock-blocker, or else stick with the Primes. Speaking of which, BD does put a huge amount of time and energy into making good ski boots. If the Primes work for you, then hey, what’s not to love!?

  68. Smokey September 30th, 2013 8:09 pm

    Lou,

    Do you run a boot board in your TLT5’s? Just got a fresh pair of 5’s and was wondering about the flimsy looking boot board that came with them. I cut them up and glued them under my Super Feet insole to take some room out of the toe box. Worked well. But, where were those things for? I assume they were the stock boot boards.

    Interesting that the 6’s came with a stock boot board glued in eh?

    Anyways, thanks for any info you might have.

    Cheers

  69. Lou Dawson September 30th, 2013 8:41 pm

    Smoky, I’m not sure what you mean by “boat boot board.” the term usually means a flat, last shaped plastic or cardboard piece that is located in the boot shell _under_ the liner and provides the interface between liner and shell. Are you actually referring to the stock “insole” or “footbed” that comes with TLT 5, inside the liner? Or, if your TLT5s came with a boot board, sure, it’s a space filler and can be used or discarded for whatever purpose you boot fitting project deems appropriate.

    As for the Six Shooter’s (TKT6) glued in insulator “boot board,” I wouldn’t really call it a boot board, but technically, it indeed is. I’ll probably rip mine out to make more room for custom footbeds shaped to my feet. The reflective material is purely cosmetic. For reflective insulation to work, it has to have an air space between it and other material. Thus, you’ll get the same insulation value from an equal thickness of foam footbed material (minimal insulation, any way you look at it, which is why ski boots have trouble keeping feet warm when temps get truly cold).

    Lou

  70. kirk lawrence October 3rd, 2013 6:53 am

    Hi Lou: I’m in the process of deciding on a new AT bot for the upcoming season; the La Sportiva Spectre looks really interesting but I have yet to actually see a pair in the flesh. Have you had a chance to take a look at this boot; do you have any plans to review it? Thanks! Keep up the good work.

  71. Lou Dawson October 3rd, 2013 8:21 am

    Hi Kirk, I’ve carefully tracked the Spectre and will have a production retail pair here in a few days if you want to come by and check them out. We’ll do a first-look as well as user review. They made quite a few changes so we’ll not blog about them till we have the production version on our hot little feet. Lou

  72. ted dean October 7th, 2013 4:29 pm

    Wish TLT6 were available like these black TLT5

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dynafit-TLT-5-Army-AT-Boots-US-9-5-MP-275-Alpine-Touring-Backcountry-Ski-/400584533022?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

    Not that cosmetics are that big a deal to me, own a TLT5M, but these are much more aesthetically pleasing. Probably warmer also.

  73. Josh Woodbury October 10th, 2013 2:46 pm

    Hey Lou, I just got a pair of TLT6 M’s. First thing I did was pull my custom footbeds from TLT5’s and try them on. Holy tightness! I then read the manual and learned they don’t even recommend footbeds. Really? I have an ultra-low volume foot and had 2 layers of planks (space taker uppers) in my 5’s so went from 28.5 to 28 with the 6’s. What is your recommendation for taking up the extra space in the 6’s? Custom footbeds, stock or planks?

  74. Norwegian October 14th, 2013 1:24 pm

    Which liner has the most flex – the CR or the CL?
    (I am looking to use the boots for splitboarding, so flex is an issue,)

  75. Juergen October 16th, 2013 5:03 pm

    Full excitement to be able to do a live check of all improvements of TLT 6 shown in Lou’s detailled review I spent two hours today at my local dealer.
    I fully agree with everything apart from the fit for a wider foot. Not extremely wide as I’m wearing stock Salomon Alpine Boots and fit in my TLT 5s like a second skin. So I was quite surprised about the finding of a significantly narrower forefoot and could upgrade only by widening the shell. I first couldn’t believe it as TLT 5s were love at a first glance, but then I turned both models upside down. The view from the sole side by side clearly shows TLT 5s wider forefoot. How can I load a pic up here ?

  76. Lou Dawson October 16th, 2013 6:06 pm

    Juergen, any widening they did was mere millimeters. More, I agree with you, they don’t seem as wide as claimed. But the boots are very easy to punch out. I just made my 27.5 pair into 28 at the toe and in width, on the boot press.

    To load a pic, send it to the contact link in the menu above and we’ll put it in for you. We don’t allow public pics due to spammers.

    Lou

  77. SkiAT October 30th, 2013 11:49 am

    Hey Lou, Your forum is fantastic and very informative for someone breaking into backcountry skiing. Thanks for all your hard work – much appreciated! I have a quick question. I’ve read up on all your Dynafit TLT 5 (and 6) reviews. I am looking for a ski boot that’ll be good for a ‘one-and-done’ long distance rando race so I can check it off the bucket list, but also burley enough to drive some fatter skis in the backcountry after the race. After much research, this boot (but last year’s TLT 5) seems to be one I’d like to try to reach this balance. I am all over the board when it comes to boot sizes across different brands. I am a Men’s US Size 8.5 dress shoe and a Men’s 9 street shoe in all off my running and trail shoes. I am trying to decide if I should go with a TLT 5 in size 27(.5) with intuition liners for a snug fit and added warmth or the 26(.5). My feet usually do get cold. Maybe I can still rock the 26(.5) with the intuitions but I am not sure… since they don’t sell the TLT 5 boot in retail stores anymore, I can’t try them on and must buy online (they are also hugely discounted right now). If you could provide your street shoe size, it would give me a gauge as to what direction I should go here (based on the sizes you went with).

    Also, I am a short and fairly light weight skier (only 5’4” and 135lbs). Do you think the Performance model with the carbon cuffs will be too stiff for me? Should I gravitate toward the Mountain version…and save the additional money :-). I just want to make sure I am getting full benefit out of the boot. I appreciate your advice and help!

  78. stephen October 31st, 2013 5:07 am

    Hi Lou, just wondering if you can comment on the relative volume/thickness of the new and old TLT 5/6 liners. I recall you ended up using Intuition liners in your TLT5s due to the thin liners causing around the heel/ankle and am wondering if the new liners fix this problem. (I have narrow feet there too.)

  79. DesertSnow November 7th, 2013 10:17 am

    I have a similar question to SkiAT regarding boot shell size and using Intuition liners.

    I tried on the TLT6 Performance size 27.5 with CR liners and it fit decently (no slop), except for some fairly sharp pressure on the top of my foot, underneath the lower buckle. I have bunions on both feet, and typically punch out the sides of the boots. The 28.5 with the stock CR liner felt a little sloppy, but I could crank down the buckles without having the same pressure point. Plus the 28.5 shell has enough width I may be able to avoid punching the shells too much.

    Question is – Should I go with the tighter fit of the 27.5 and just try to make it work through boot fitting, or go with a 28/28.5 shell? I’m not sure if a medium volume Intuition liner will really fill the voids enough to get a good fit. The shop said the 27.5 is the correct shell size for my foot (length), but the 28/28.5 should work too.

    I’d like a warm and comfortable boot that I can wear for fast ski laps, long winter and spring tours, and potentially for longer ski mountaineering trips in the Northwest and Alaska.

    Last season, I wore a pair of Sportiva Spitfires size 27.5, but it took all season to get the fit right (I had several pressure points). They walk great, but in my opinion they just aren’t stiff enough for skiing all conditions.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

  80. Lou Dawson November 7th, 2013 11:42 am

    Desert, if you want the do-it-all boot, go for the 28.5 shell. I’m in the same situation. The 28.5 fits the front of my foot really well, and is the right length. But it’s sloppy in the heel. Nonetheless it’s my “out of box” fit in TLT, and is what I’d choose for doing extended trips with a minimum of boot fitting. So, I have TLT6 in 27.5. Perfect in the ankle but way too small in the toes, so I’ve spent quite a bit of time blowing out the toe area, which is pretty difficult to do in a major way. I do this because it’s my job. But if I was just out buying boots, I’d definitely be in the 28.5.

    BTW, marketing is saying TLT6 is wider that TLT5. It may be so in certain areas, but I’m pretty sure it’s actually narrower in the metatarsal area. I’m doing more measuring using different sizes.

    Lou

  81. stephen November 8th, 2013 2:56 am

    Hi Lou,

    My fit problem is similar to DesertSnow’s, and yours. I have the TLT5 P in a 28/28.5 shell and the length is good for me, but I have a bit of movement in the heel and the liners are only going to compress more over time. What I’d like to do is take up a bit more volume around my ankle/heel/calf, and am wondering what liners would be the best for this. I seem to remember you used Intuition Pro Tour liners in yours for the same reason (what size?), or perhaps the new TLT6 CR liners might work?

    Thanks,
    Stephen

  82. Lou Dawson November 8th, 2013 6:36 am

    Stephen, it’s really hard to take up adequate volume in the heel/cuff area in a ski touring boot. Yes, the Pro Tour liner seems thicker. But better, stay with stock liner and glue a layer of foam to the outside of the liner. You have to use the correct foam for this as well as the correct glue. I’m not talking about “L pads” but rather a peice of foam that pretty much covers the whole rearward part of the liner, with cutouts for ankle shape. When we were at Masterfit they had foam pieces cut specifically for this purpose, of a type that would heat mold along with the rest of he liner. Excellent solution, in my view. I’m not sure where they sell these, you might check with Bob Egeland at Neptune Mountaineering in Boulder, Colorado. or perhaps Sun Valley Ski Tools.

    Gluing foam on and then heat molding might be more the province of a professional boot fitter…

    Another thing: We learned in boot fitting school that “movement in the heel” is not always a matter of just tightening the liner fit. It also has to do with how your foot is supported. If you’ve not done so already, I’d recommend going to a certified boot fitter, having a full foot evaluation and custom foot beds made, then proceed from there. The last part of the process is “tightening up” the boot.”

    Lou

  83. stephen November 8th, 2013 7:38 am

    Thanks Lou!

    I’m in Oz but it seems MFU have run courses here, so I may try to do one. I might try emailing Bob E/Neptune regarding the moldable sheets. Will try to find here in Oz first, but my expectations are not high. 🙁

    Not sure if we have certified boot fitters here – as opposed to “certifiable”. 🙂

    Stephen

  84. Dan November 8th, 2013 10:09 am

    RE: Boot-fitting shims, pads, etc. Tognar Toolworks has a free catalog with a section on boot-fitting goodies. Check out http://www.tognar.com.

  85. Mike November 8th, 2013 10:20 am

    Lou –

    I have a wide foot, narrow heel/ankle. Most lasts are too narrow for me and I have actually had a really good boot fitter wreck a pair trying to get a normal width boot to work for me(he stood behind them).

    I currently have Garmont Deliriums that are very comfortable and needed very little punching, but they are really heavy for longer tours. I would really appreciate a list of lighter boots (any brand) that you believe have wide lasts that I could try.

    thanks much!
    Mike

  86. George November 16th, 2013 1:17 pm

    Lou:
    What replacement liner would you recommend for my TLT5 Mtn boots?
    The TLT6 liner looks nice but I am also considering the Intuition Pro Tour.
    Thanks,
    George

  87. George November 16th, 2013 1:17 pm

    What replacement liner would you recommend for my TLT5 Mtn boots?
    The TLT6 liner looks nice but I am also considering the Intuition Pro Tour.
    Thanks,
    George

  88. Lou November 16th, 2013 1:27 pm

    I still favor the Pro Tour liner. I’d also recommend the new Dynafit liner from the TLT6, it is quite nice.

  89. Mark W November 19th, 2013 10:42 pm

    Looking for low volume footbeds for TLT 6. Carbon Superfeet look nice. Any others that might fit this low volume boot?

  90. Andy November 20th, 2013 10:51 am

    I’ll chime in with Mark here. I’m interested in footbeds in general. I’ve used the green superfeet with my TLT5s and most other boots over the past several years, but I think that it is worth looking around at other options. Now I need footbeds for both TLT6 and PDG boots. The TLT5s fit well with superfeet in a 27.5, but the PDG is loose without superfeet in a 26.5. I don’t really want to put the relatively heavy green superfeet in the PDG as I’m inching toward being a lycra-clad rando weenie.

    Basically what i’m looking for are:
    -footbed for TLT6 (leaning toward Superfeet green from TLT 5)
    -lightweight footbed for PDG – needs some volume

  91. Mark W November 20th, 2013 2:57 pm

    Andy, I also use Superfeet green in my a Zzero 4 boots, but don’t think they will work with TLT 6–just not enough volume exists. New Superfeet Carbon are ultra light and very thin.

  92. Dane November 20th, 2013 5:11 pm

    I had a second pair of Superfeet cork made up in Oct. Trim them right (yourrself is likley the best answer there) and they fit both my PDGs and my TLT5 noiw 6 easily. Just remember to mold the liners using the insole when you fit the boot initially.

    My thought it just don’tt try jamming a huge wide, too long of foot bed into a skinny profile inner boot and shell. Most insoles will fit these boots, if a full custom cork Superfeet is any indication. Just takes some effort to do it right. I took about as much tiome to fit my insoles properly as the boot fitter did making the full posted corks.

  93. Bar Barrique November 20th, 2013 8:32 pm

    I am using a set of “Sole” footbeds in my AT boots. They are moldable, but, I didn’t bother with this set . I do mold the thicker versions that I use in all my footwear, my old high arches need support. I use the Superfeet cork in my alpine boots, but I like a bit of cushion in my AT boots.

  94. Mark W November 21st, 2013 2:39 pm

    Just put in Superfeet blue footbeds. They feel really good, and don’t seem to take up too much volume. Now to ski these boots…

  95. Harpo November 27th, 2013 4:14 pm

    Hi Lou, I have been wearing my TLT 5 liners in my (same size) TLT 6. My impression is that the six is (as u mentioned) narrower in the forefoot. I am also finding the forefoot/toe had less height in the six than the five. R u finding this to be the case? I think I will need to get new liners baked for the six.

  96. louis dawson November 27th, 2013 7:43 pm

    Yes, by all means rebake liners.

  97. Mark W November 27th, 2013 8:32 pm

    TLT 6 has been toured in now. Holy mackerel! Unlike any boot I have ever toured in. Unspeakably smooth, range of motion approaching the absurd! Love it.

  98. Vincent November 29th, 2013 2:12 pm

    I think I’ll make myself happy and my wallet cry. But being European, I have the liner choice. Any ideas if descent performance is traded for lightness when going for the CL?

  99. louis dawson November 29th, 2013 3:05 pm

    I’d advise the stronger liner, it’s really nice. I’ve been using a lighter liner and by the time I added foam it’s nearly same weight and still doesn’t ski as well.

  100. Scott Semple December 11th, 2013 8:04 am

    Anyone know how the TLT6 fits compared to the PDG?

  101. Andy December 11th, 2013 10:24 am

    @Scott, They fit differently. I assume it is due to different lasts, different shell/size breaks, and different liners. My PDGs fit significantly looser than my TLT5/6s. The PDG is a 16.5 and the TLTs are 27.5. I don’t know how they “should” fit, given that the TLTs break on the whole size and the PDGs break on the half size, I think. I’m sure somebody will correct me if I’m mistaken.

    TL;DR – Try them on if you can.

  102. Dane December 11th, 2013 12:03 pm

    My experience is the PDG is a lower volume boot than the TLT6 or 5. Either way I still use the same 29 shell in both boots and get a decent fit.

  103. Dave Cramer December 11th, 2013 12:27 pm

    I have 26.0 TLT5Ms, which are quite comfortable, but probably not a “performance” fit. 26.0 PDGs were so loose due to the thin liner that I had to return them. 25.0 PDGs seem much better, but I haven’t skied them yet. My foot does measure around 25.0cm in length.

  104. Roger December 13th, 2013 3:25 pm

    I formed my CR liners with the Intuition bag of rice method and ended up with too much slop in the heel, although there is no heel lift between liner and shell. If i re-heat them, will they go back to their original fit, or do I need to try something else?

  105. Lou Dawson December 13th, 2013 6:21 pm

    Roger, the liners will puff back out, less and less so each time they are re-heated. Lou

  106. Eric December 17th, 2013 9:28 pm

    Any definitive verdict on CR vs CL liner? In the throes of the purchase decision, wondering if the CR is worth the extra weight, with respect to performance and durability.

    Separately Performance vs Mountain–curious if anybody’s skied both and found the Mtn lacking. Leaning toward the Mtn to save $, but if it’s super soft relative to the P, maybe will pay up.

  107. Stano December 17th, 2013 10:07 pm

    Eric, we just posted “first impressions” review of the TLT 6 Mountain after testing them couple of times. We will update as the season goes including my opinion as well.

    Coincidentally, tester’s name is also Eric 🙂

    http://www.skintrack.com/gear-tech/reviews/dynafit-tlt-6-mountain-first-impression/

  108. Dane December 17th, 2013 10:24 pm

    Not definative to anyone but me. I have both and find the extra comfort and support on the CR a nice effort on Dynafit’s part. I use the old version of the CL, the TF less and less. Nice to the lwt liner around around but the drop in weight is less important to me than the extra support and comfort of the CR a majority of time.

  109. Robin December 23rd, 2013 5:47 am

    @Lou

    I read previous that you thought about ripping the boot board from the TLT6.

    Have you done this jet ? Any thoughs about it ?

    I’m thinking about doing to create some more room overall. Previous I used TLT5 and it was a tight fit but after some punching it worked. After changing to the TLT6 (also punched) my days mostly consiste of pain pain pain.

    I just wanted to see if this was something you already tried.

  110. MorganW January 20th, 2014 3:09 pm

    @ Stano

    Thanks for the review…..and love the $/g measurement!

  111. Billy Balz February 5th, 2014 8:36 am

    Does anyone have experience oven-baking the CR liner for the TLT6? I’m thinking 225F for 10-12 minutes? Thanks in advance.

  112. JonB March 3rd, 2014 11:54 am

    Now that we have some miles or kilometers on the TLT6s, what is your thought on the powerstrap and the tongue(s)?
    I am skiing BD converts (105 mm) and soft snow. I have the non carbon cuff version of the boot and I still have my powerstrap but am not using any tongues and you know, they ski pretty well.
    Just curious what others are doing with the strap and tongues and how much they have been playing around with the options. Are you seeing a lot of difference with the walk mode if you keep the tongue in on the ascent?
    Hope everyone is getting theirs. Missoula is getting slammed as you might have read. Avy danger has been high right here in town.
    JB

  113. Lou Dawson March 3rd, 2014 12:03 pm

    I’ve found that using the power strap but no add-on tongue with TLT 6 works for me most of the time and indeed ski “pretty well.” I do find myself adjusting my foot and leg position inside the boot on occasion, which indicates I could have more boot and a higher density liner that fit a bit snugger.

    The next generation should have a stiff tongue with a release latch for touring. That would be the ideal.

  114. Andy March 3rd, 2014 12:22 pm

    @Billy, just be careful pulling on the cords to get your feet in. I pulled a little too hard and ripped out some stitching.

    @JonB, I skied my TLT 5Ms without either, but since I’ve gotten the 6Ms, I’ve been using both to a degree. It all depends on the conditions and the ski I’m using, but I do like the extra support of the tongue when skiing a ski bigger than about 90mm at the waist. I can easily do sub-minute transitions, but getting skimo race fast just means waiting for your partners in practice. 🙂

  115. Dane March 3rd, 2014 12:22 pm

    I’ve been using mine for lift skiing almost exclisively this winter…not their forte in comparison but it what I have. Skiing 115mm under foot the majority of time on a Praxis GPO. I used a green tongue and no power strap till the last dump of 11 feet of snow. For that week I pulled out even bigger boards 128 and 138mm and added the power strap. Boots rocked. No complaints. I did add the slightly higher volume liner out of my Spectre (still a typical tongue liner) a few weeks back as well which helped some for fit after remolding. I really dislike touring with the power strap so simply leave it off. But on occasion I’ll use a Voile strap for the same effect and an even better flex imo just easier on and off touring.

  116. Mike March 22nd, 2014 4:47 am

    I’m trying to find some help while choosing TLT6 Performance CL boots. I don’t have a chance to fit the boots before buying them. And now the only question is, should the boots be size 27,5 or 28.
    If I understood correctly, 27-27,5 are the same sole, as well as 28-28,5.

    My foot is exactly 276mm. And quite wide, about 107mm. Usually I wear 42,5 or 9 1/2 (sometimes 9) size walking and running shoes. It depends on the mark and where are the shoes made in.

    I have had 28 size Dynafit titan tf-x a couple of years ago, but at the moment I use 27,5 size BD quadrant.

    Any ideas what size TLT6 I should pick? Need to make a decision before 23.3.2014… Aaargh, tough one

  117. Lou Dawson March 22nd, 2014 10:07 am

    Mike, first I need to scold you (grin). It took me 12 seconds on Google to get the Dynafit boot sizing chart:

    http://media.dynafit.com/PDF/Conversion_Chart_Boots.pdf

    Yes, TLT 5 and 6 are the same in terms of shell breaks, with the 27-27.5 indeed being one shell size at BSL 297, and the 28-28.5 being one shell size at 307 BSL.

    But to apologize for my scold, that information isn’t very helpful. What you need to know is that the TLT6 is super narrow in the metatarsal. If you have a wide foot, you’ll need the 28-28.5, probably with the short-lasted 28 liner.

    FYI, my foot is about 27.5. With the 27-27.5 TLT6 I got a good ankle fit but had to do significant shell work for my mets. The larger shell was much more comfortable and warmer, but I find it difficult to get the ankle fit I want with the larger Dynafit last so I opt for the smaller boot and the heat gun.

    One other thing, is there some problem with just getting the boots, doing carpet test, then returning them if you decide you need a different size? In our world, that’s standard operating procedure for mail-order ski boots. Where are you, Antarctica or something (grin) ?

  118. Mike March 22nd, 2014 10:46 am

    Lou, You can scold me, I don’t mind.
    Of cource I have look at that chart, quite a lot actually. But it is only a chart, I’m seeking for some real life experience.

    What comes to “order and then return” concept, it is something I’m trying to avoid. It takes time and money, I’d rather spend it skiing with right size boots.

    But anyway, thx for the informative part of your response. I think 28 might be better in Antarctica.

  119. Lou Dawson March 22nd, 2014 11:02 am

    Mike, naturally one would try and avoid the re-ship, but it’s a pretty important option and common process if you’re going to mail-order boots you’ve never had a chance to try on. Main concept is how do you really truly know you’ve got the “right size boots” unless you do at least one comparison fit?

    I know people who as a matter of course just buy two pairs of boots when in this situation, then return one.

    That’s the reason I emphasized that point.

    With that in mind, while perhaps you don’t have a shop close at hand where you could make a deal, it’s important for many people to realize that while a lower online price for boots might look good, factor in the shipping and lack of boot fitting and a decent deal on a retail brick-and-mortar purchase can actually be ok.

    At any rate, it sounds like you need the larger boot unless you’ve got a heat gun and a boot press. Or, it might simply be the wrong shell last shape for your foot and you’d be better off with another brand.

    Lou

  120. Dane March 22nd, 2014 11:42 am

    “it might simply be the wrong shell last shape for your foot and you’d be better off with another brand.”

    Bingo….

    And I love my TLT6…but if the shoe don’t fit…or you don’t have mad boot fitting skils like Lou I’d not suggest a TLT for your foot. 107mm foot in a narrow lasted shell? What is the last width of a 27 and 28 TLT6? Spectre or Maestrale? Aren’t BD boots known for running wide on the last?

  121. Scott Semple March 22nd, 2014 11:51 am

    As Lou alluded to, the TLT6 fits very differently from a Quadrant.

    I switched from a Quadrant to a TLT6 last year. The Quadrant was way too wide for me, especially in the heel. The TLT6 is perfect in the heel and a touch too snug in the midfoot.

    IMO, if you have a good fit in the Quadrant, the TLT6 is probably not a good choice.

    Weirdly enough, the PDG is both lighter than the TLT6 and wider.

  122. Dane March 22nd, 2014 12:51 pm

    PDG liner is thinner for sure by comparison to a CL or earlier TLT5 Palau liner. But suspect the shells are actually smaller for size internally and are no question smaller for size on the exterior. Also the shells use a different size break on the PDG/EVO than on the TLT series. 29 PDG is a much smaller boot by size internally than a 29 TLT6. BSL differs by 8mm. TLT being 317, PDG 309.

  123. Mike March 26th, 2014 9:25 am

    Guess I have to say something now that I have received my new boots.

    I ended up to size 28. It arrived via UPS and after a quick test it seems to be the right choice. With a customized insole the boot fits perfectly. For example, the heel doesn’t move at all when the boot is used.

    I’m pretty sure that size 27 would been too tight, even with modifications made by heatgun.

  124. Lou Dawson March 26th, 2014 9:48 am

    Good job Mike!

  125. Corey C April 8th, 2014 8:28 am

    Does anyone know anything about the TLT6 C-One which is offered only at Dynafit Competency Centers? I know it has a fiberglass cuff instead of the carbon one on the TLT6-P but other than that there is limited information on it. I got talked into reserving one at a bootfitter because they said it would be easier to adapt it to my weird feet. Problem is I have to wait till September to get it. Anyone know anything about them?

  126. Dane April 8th, 2014 9:05 am

    Same exact boot. Only the cuff material is different, a few grams in weight and the price of course. Lower shell is the same material and last. Fits/mods just as the other two models will. Nice color though 🙂

  127. Christian April 24th, 2014 5:38 pm

    Wow, tons of info on this thread! Love it.

    I’m thinking I can work my 26.5 Vulcans down into the 1300g range for longer tours/big vert days, which would help keep me from talking myself into some TLT6’s (grin) – remove the power strap, don’t use the tongue, maybe remove the toe buckle, and a different liner. So, I’m a little torn between the CL and a Intuition Pro Tour liners. I’m sure the Pro Tour’s would not be a bad decision, any experience on the comfort of the CL’s? The other nice thing is that I could push out the toe of either of these two liners more than the stock Vulcan liners and reduce toe mash when touring. Thanks!

  128. Charlie April 25th, 2014 2:52 am

    To second Robin’s question from December: has anybody removed or sanded down the ‘boot board’ from the inside of the shell? I could really do with a little more space over my arch but am worried about the implications of ripping this out. Any thoughts?

  129. Lou Dawson April 25th, 2014 5:32 am

    Charlie, I’d grind that down in 2 seconds if I needed to. Problem is that it’s quite thin, not sure it’s worth the effort. And you’d need to be super careful not to eat into the plastic under the board, so as not to weaken the boot shell. If you want more space over your arch, first drop your whole foot down by using thin or no footbed, and thinning down the sole of the liner by peeling, grinding, cutting, etc. Boot fitter? Lou

  130. Charlie April 30th, 2014 9:14 am

    Hi Lou. Thanks for the reply. We’ve left the bootboard be for the time being and gone for the the thinnest possible footbed and compacting the top of the liner (over the arch) as much as possible. My bootfitter is worried about doing too much to the bottom of the liner for fear of pulling out the stitching that looks like it’s keeping the bottom of the liner attached to the sides. Have you had any success removing volume from the bottom of these dynafit liners? Thanks, Charlie

  131. Lou Dawson April 30th, 2014 9:26 am

    Yeah, that’s a stroble stitched liner so you do have to be careful of the stitching. Check how thick the bottom of the liner is after molding. If it didn’t compress down I’d consider surgery to the liner bottom, the boot fitter should know how to do that while working inside the stitched area. On the other hand, the liner bottom/sole is the first thing to pack out when used more than a few days since it has constant pressure and weight on it, so if your liner bottom/sole is still soft/foamy, perhaps give it a few days of use. Lou

  132. bvl May 6th, 2014 4:07 pm

    What are the differences between the TLT 6 Performance and TLT 6 Mountain? I have yet to find a thorough comparison between the two. The end of season sales have got me interested in the performance version =)

  133. Stano May 6th, 2014 4:27 pm

    @bvl Pretty much the only difference (but big enough) between the two is the carbon cuff on the Performance TLT 6 versus a plastic one on the mountain version. Weights and walk-modes are very, very similar so those are irrelevant, however, the carbon cuff will ski much better due to its superior overall stiffness.

  134. Jarl May 11th, 2014 4:01 am

    Hello!
    Long time reader but I haven’t posted before. Now I do have a question though. How big a difference is there in lateral stiffness between the TLT6 Performance and the Mountain model? For me that seems more important than the for-aft stiffness. Or does the carbon improve both in the same amount? And how wide and stiff a ski does it make sense to couple with the TLT6 Mountain? Will something like the G3 Zenoxide C3 be too much for it in bad conditions? Would love it if anyone could chime in!

  135. Lou Dawson May 11th, 2014 5:42 am

    Hi Jarl, I’ve seen all sorts of skis coupled successfully with a variety of boots. There are no rules or easy formulas for what works. Please provide us with a bit more information such as your size and weight, what boots you currently like, the type of snow and terrain you ski, your age, how fast you like to ski and with what style, as well as percentage lift served.

    As for the difference in stiffness of the Performance and Mountain, it’s not huge but it’s noticeable. Myself, I notice it more in the for-aft because I’m not a large aggressive skier but I do need for-aft support, especially since I don’t use the add-in tongues. If you’re a larger skier who likes to really lay those planks over in hard rail, you’ll probably notice an increase in lateral stiffness as well. Using the stiff optional “hard” tongue makes a big difference.

    It is blasphemy to say this in the North American market where stiffer is always better and “freeride” is what is hip, but some people like the more mellow feel of the Mountain model, though going without the add-in tongue seems to be less favored as compared to the Performance with the ultra-stiff cuff.

    That’s just opinion, anyone else?

    Lou

  136. Jarl May 11th, 2014 8:20 am

    Thanks for the quick answer Lou!
    I’m 32 years old, 160lbs, 6ft and live in Austria. I have been a telemarker with Scarpa T2 boots for a long time but because of a knee injury I switched to fixed heel four years ago with Wayback 174 and Zzero4s for touring. The Zzero4s I got were a bit of a mistake, they are actually a bit to big, but I have had lots of fun with them anyway. I’m not a very aggressive skier and don’t jump much but do ski the steep stuff with confidence. I prefer skis that are nimble in the trees over fast charging ones but they should still be able to handle some speed.

    So, my Waybacks are pretty beaten up and I would like some skis with a bit more float. In the same time I’m thinking of new boots and I can get a really good deal on some TLT6 Mountains. So I’m wondering which skis it would make sense to pare them with. It will be a touring only set-up but should be able to handle all kinds of situations because as you know you can meet very different snow conditions on one single skitour here. I have been wondering about the Zenoxide C3 or the new Coomback 104 but I don’t know if they are a good combination with the TLT6M. Perhaps are the Denali or Wayback 96 a better match?

  137. Dane May 11th, 2014 8:58 am

    I ski a 6 P on anything from a Cho Oyu to a Protest and Lotus 120.. For most of my skis I found a Mtn would do just as well. But where I could easily us the P with no tongue I wanted a tongue in the Mtn. I do like the skinny/lighter skiis better with the Mtn.

    Friends are power strap users. I have and now I don’t. But I do like the green tongue.in the 6 P and would likely use the black tongue (thought from using the TLT5 Mtn and P) in the 6 mtn. But a lot of different combos to try. I spend enough time in bonds to warrent the P I think. But if it was all touring….and cost was an object the Mtn would do just fine. P will ski virtually any ski, any where. Mtn, will as well but a bit soft for most on piste every day IMO. That said I skied the TLT5 Mtn and a pair of 177 Huascarans for a full season and loved the combo. I’m 6’1″ and 200.

  138. John May 12th, 2014 5:37 pm

    I love my Vulcans, (usually with the tongue in) but the lighter TLT6 P seems like it might ski as well, and the lower weight sounds nice. Can anyone give me a perfomance comparison?

    & for that matter, a fit comparison? I do notice a difference in where the heel-pocket buckle is.

    (I’m roughly 6 ft, 200 lbs, I ski hard and generally carve rather than smear, even in fairly soft snow, unless it’s really tough terrain, but that doesn’t matter if they are, in fact, pretty similar.)

  139. Jarl May 22nd, 2014 3:20 am

    A bit late with the thanks but here it is. Awesome community here! I went ahead and got the TLT6 Mountain, I feel confident that I will find skis that suite me and the boots when the time comes. The Synapse 101 seems interesting, just about the width I am after and crazy light ? Will be interesting to see how it does in difficult conditions. I noticed that you have uploaded some pictures of the ski Lou. Have you tried it or gotten any feedback on how it is? Or have anyone else tried it out?

  140. Mike July 11th, 2014 9:45 pm

    Hey Lou,
    Quick question for you. I just bought the TLT 6 performance online. They only came with the black tongues. I emailed the store I bought them from and they told me that they sent me this years model of the TLT 6 which does not include two pairs of tongues, i.e. only the black ones. Is that accurate?

  141. Dane July 13th, 2014 11:33 am

    Unless something drastic has changed in the last couple of weeks Dynafit USA is at least two months out on seeing the 2014/15 gear.

  142. stephan July 18th, 2014 6:33 pm

    hi lou,
    id be really interested in whether it could be possible to fit a black diamond prime liner into a tlt6 boot? asking, because i have problematic feet, and the prime liners fit my feet almost out of the box… how would you compare the quadrant/prime liners to the CR liner considering warmth?

    im also thinking about trying out the la sportiva sideral, but im almost sure i cannot fit a warmer liner in its shell.

    im thinking -20C, staying around 30minutes belaying my partner…

    and i do not want to climb with 1.7kg on my feet when i can have 500grams less.

    thank you in advance.
    stephan

  143. Lou Dawson July 18th, 2014 9:31 pm

    Stephan, totally different shell lasts with the boots, to stuff a Prime liner in a TLT you would need to upsize the TLT. Instead, work with a boot fitter. Lou

  144. stephan July 19th, 2014 5:27 pm

    thanks for the quick reply, good to know.

  145. Blake V September 15th, 2014 3:55 pm

    Hello,
    Im torn between the TLT 6 Mountain and the carbon version. Ive seen various weight postings online. I am curious if there is a big weight difference, and if the carbon adds noticeable stiffness. Price on the mountains is more in my range.
    Thanks

  146. Stano September 15th, 2014 4:04 pm

    Blake,
    There is not too much in weight difference between the two models, about 100-150g on size 27. But most of that difference comes from the liners, not the shells. And yes, the carbon version is stiffer but depends on your riding style whether you need it. If you are an aggressive skier or heavy/tall then you would benefit, otherwise, you should be just fine with the mountain version. So make sure what liners are included with your boots and you might not suffer almost any weight “penalty”.

  147. Lou Dawson 2 September 15th, 2014 4:15 pm

    Thanks Stano. I’d add that I see so so many excellent skiers on Mountain version, obviously the carbon really is optional and yes the weight savings is minimal. Another thing we need to keep reminding people of is that the cuff pivots on the carbon version really do wear quite rapidly and may require replacement with something like the B&D UCP kit, while the plastic on plastic of the Mountain version doesn’t have near as much tendency to wear. Lou

  148. george beatteay September 23rd, 2014 12:38 am

    Hi Lou,

    i’m torn between the tlt 6 and the maestrale. i obviously like the lighter weight of the dynafits but am curious as to how much flex i’ll be enduring compared to the maestrale. have you done any direct comparisons with regard to flex between the tlt 6 and maestrale or any other boot for that matter???

    thanks in advance,
    george.

  149. Andy M. September 23rd, 2014 7:41 am

    George, I had the 2013 Maestrale RS, and last season switched to TLT6P. With the black tongue in, I feel like the TLT6 is basically the same stiffness. I actually prefer the green myself, as it’s a bit more “progressive.” Aside from the weight, I can’t say enough how much better the walk mode and range of motion are on the TLT6. Just be forewarned that if you have flat feet and/or a wider midfoot, you’re going to need to spend some quality time with your local bootfitter punching them.

    The Maestrale RS is an excellent boot too, but even as a primarily touring boot, I feel that it leans a bit more to the “freeride” style… it’s more direct comparison is probably the Mercury/Vulcan.

  150. Lou Dawson 2 September 23rd, 2014 8:19 am

    I’d agree with Andy. Gorge, you might be making the mistake of choosing a boot based on perceived performance rather than fit. It is very important with TLT6 to realized that it’s narrow. It can only be punched out so much. If you had a foot that fit both boots just as well, again I’d agree with Andy’s take. But first be sure you trend to the boot that fits best.

  151. lederhosen42 September 23rd, 2014 11:06 am

    Don’t forget the Dynafit Mercury. I have a wide forefoot, wide midfoot, low volume instep, no arch to speak of and I just could not get the Scarpa Maestrale to fit with proper boot tension and no aching even with multiple punches and liner remolds. Went to the Mercury, molded the liner once, did few punches in forefoot for width and have yet to own and ski a better touring boot that balances ramp angle, skiing angles, fore/aft/lateral stiffness, touring comfort and downhill performance. Generally ski without the tongue, slightly better progressive flex though I suspect the add on tongue could be tweaked and cut/shaved/drilled out to provide similar ‘feel’ with better forward support. Only issues I’ve found are the boots are cold in even moderately cold temps (below minus 7ish celcius) with thin socks (performance fit) and the rubber outsole durability is horrendous for hiking on rocks. Toe area completely worn out after 1.5 seasons of use (maybe 20 days involving hiking), plastic worn away to the toe piece metal inserts.

  152. Dane September 23rd, 2014 12:11 pm

    Agree with Andy…well said:
    “had the 2013 Maestrale RS, and last season switched to TLT6P. With the black tongue in, I feel like the TLT6 is basically the same stiffness. I actually prefer the green myself, as it’s a bit more “progressive.” Aside from the weight, I can’t say enough how much better the walk mode and range of motion are on the TLT6. ……….”

    Use the green tongue myself. And really like the combo.
    Quality time with your local bootfitter if a good investment no matter how well the TLT6 fits imo. You can make them better yet.

    “The Maestrale RS is an excellent boot too, but even as a primarily touring boot, I feel that it leans a bit more to the “freeride” style… it’s more direct comparison is probably the Mercury/Vulcan”

  153. george beatteay September 24th, 2014 2:08 am

    great…thanks for the input. i will definitely go with the better fit between the two. i do have relatively high arches and avg width feet so i hope i have the option.
    thanks again for the advice. that answered my question perfectly.
    cheers.

  154. John S September 24th, 2014 5:32 am

    Nice comparison TLT6 to Maestrale (a little on fit and performance). Does anyone have thoughts on a comparison of TLT6 and Vulcan?

  155. Doug CrippleCreekBC September 24th, 2014 7:10 am

    John S, The Vulcan and the TLT6 fit close to the same, although I find the Vulcan to fit a bit wider. As for stiffness the Vulcan is probably the stiffest alpine touring boot I have skied. I don’t even think about touring with the tongue in and I wouldn’t ski with it in unless I knew I would be on a big ski at the resort all days. Although the mechanism for the walk mode is the same the TLT6 will have a better range of motion due the the liner and shell being less stiff than the Vulcan.

  156. John S September 24th, 2014 9:06 am

    Thanks Doug. That gives me a much better idea. Do you have an idea how the TLT6 with the tongue in compare with the Vulcan without the tongue? (if that isn’t apples and oranges)

  157. jim September 25th, 2014 3:27 am

    Hey Lou,

    Any insight on the TLT6 C ONE that Dynafit Competence Center dealers have limited access to offer this season? (I think that’s the right name) Ideas on how it might compare to the TLT6 performance and mountain versions?

    Why I ask:

    I got back into skiing a few years ago after many years away and initially dabbled in BC and lift accessed side country with a few long tours tossed in..I skied 85% resort and had a season pass at either Alta and Snowbird. But this year I have no pass and plan to 80-90% BC. I”m pretty stoked for it.

    I ski a 2012 181 Coomback with Dynafit Radical FTs; and a 09 Armada JJ with a Marker Baron. I love the JJ but have only skied them inbounds. My first full year back I had the Baron on the Coomback but swapped it when I picked up the JJ on the cheap last season. Then I put Radicals on the Coomback.

    Year one I skied a Dynafit Titan swapped out for a Mercury last season. Dynafit gave me a good deal on upgrading due to some warranty issues. I dig the Merc on the tour but I’m 6’3″, 200+ geared out; and I guess I ski fairly aggressive; So there are some things I missed about the Titan a) a more progressive flex rather than the ‘on/off’ flex I sometimes felt in the Merc b) more torsional rigidity with the Titan when I needed it c) substantially more forward lean.

    But I did not miss the hike in the Titan.

    I was talking to a competency dealer about maybe trying to sell my Mercury’s and moving to a Vulcan. I also mentioned that I might give a mountaineering ski a go in the spring (Trab/La Sportiva if I can find a deal).

    The dealer suggested the TLT6 C ONE for touring/etc. and an alpine boot for the resort.. He strongly felt the TLT 6 C ONE would ski better than the Merc and tour/climb better than the Vulcan – and also be more of a fit with a mountaineering ski if that was the direction I was headed. And they are a slightly less $ than the Vulcan.

    So I was really getting the pitch on the C ONE – but it’s pre order And of course, there is only one left in my size. And it wouldn’t be available until December…

    I skied the Mercury stock all last year and haven’t made mods or molded the liners. I should have but kept feeling I might want to sell them – but never did. So now I’m deciding if I ought to try my hand at modding out the Mercury to my liking the best I can for the season; sell the Merc and give the Vulcan a go (which I should have gone with over the Merc to begin with); or go with the TLT6 C ONE if it’s going to be all that and I can get my hands on a pair.

    Any thoughts?

  158. Lou Dawson 2 September 25th, 2014 6:29 am

    Hi Jim, as far as I know there is no real-world difference between the Competency Center boot and the TLT6P, I’m not sure why you’re getting the pressure to buy it, perhaps the dealer is able to price it better? More, I’m pretty sure the Competency boot doesn’t even have a thermo mold liner (dealer’s please correct me if I’m wrong).

    As for Mercury, it actually is pretty similar to the TLT6M, the big difference is it has a sole that can be used in frame touring bindings, while the TLT boots have short soles without a DIN shape in the toe area. Mercury has some overall beef that makes it stiffer, but again it’s more similar to TLT6 than different.

    If you want something stiffer that is more of a freeride boot, I’d suggest Vulcan. It has overall beef as well as cuff stops, and a carbon cuff.

    If you want more of a touring boot and are using tech bindings, TLT6P (in the Competency Center version or regular) is going to give you the most stiffness at the least weight, with a slightly better walk mode due to the liner design (the shell walk modes between Vulcan/Mercury/TLT all work the same way, with the Ultra Lock.

    You’re not going to get a classic progressive flex in any tongue shell boot. They’re all different, some more progressive than others, but all are limited by the very nature of having a one-piece plastic molded tongue in front of your shin. Thing is, you can get used to this flex, but you have to accept it and not fight it. It actually forces you to ski in a more modern style, with less fooling around with ankle flexion.

    As for having separate rigs for resort and backcountry, that’s a tricky choice. More and more people actually do use the same rig for both, I see it all the time. The new crop of DIN certified tech bindings can be paired with any tech equipped boot to make that happen. If you do sidecountry that involves climbing skins, this can be the way to go.

    Even so, in my opinion there is no tech binding (DIN SMIN WIN or FIN) that can equal the safety protection of the best dedicated alpine bindings. If I skied resorts more than a few hours a year, I’d probably run a resort setup with a regular alpine binding and alpine boots. The elimination of techfiddle alone would be worth it.

    So, I guess what I’m saying is at your size, skiing somewhat aggressive, go Vulcan or go home (grin)?

    P.S., Any dealer that tries to sell boots they can’t even run a fit and carpet test on is suspect in my opinion. Sure, they should gently suggest, but you need to wait till the boots are in the store before you get serious.

    Lou

  159. Stephen September 25th, 2014 8:57 am

    Hi Lou & cc,

    I have TLT5P at present, but have been doing more resort skiing than I expected. The boots are great, but I’ve been having more pre-releases than I’m happy with, and there’s a limit to cranking the bindings (which are Vertical ST).

    Is there a similar boot which will fit in both tech bindings *and* something like say a Marker Baron, or can I squeeze the TLT5 into a more alpine-like binding? My last alpine skis had Marker M46 bindings and never pre-released, even at DIN 5. There’s no way for me to justify, or carry, a set of alpine skis, but it’d be nice to stop popping out unexpectedly. At present the Verticals are on 7, but this still isn’t enough. FWIW, I weigh ~135 lbs.

    Thanks!

  160. Lou Dawson 2 September 25th, 2014 9:26 am

    Sure, quite a few boots have soles that will work in something like a Marker Baron. With Dynafit, Vulcan or Mercury, for example. Scarpa Maestrale comes to mind as well… You can also go lighter on the resort by using that Marker binding with the height adjustable AFD to compensate for AT boot rocker, isn’t that the Lord?

    In what mode was your pre release with Vertical ST, up at the heel or to the side?

    TLT5P is not a resort boot, in my opinion.

    You might also be tempted to get a boot with swap soles, those are ok but only if you swap a few times a year, otherwise they’re just a pain and may even introduce play into the boot/binding system. In my opinion, swap soles are already going the way of the dinosaur.

    Lou

  161. jim September 25th, 2014 11:21 am

    Thanks Lou,

    Time to find someone interested in trading a size 29.5 or 30 Vulcan (who felt the Vulcan too stiff) for my size 30 Mercury. If you know of anyone – 😉

    You confirmed my thoughts both about boot choice and the dealer… though I might call to get more specifics as to differences in the C version and the Performance. TLT6. I’d like to give the dealer the benefit of the doubt, but we’ll see. I’ll let you know what I hear back.

  162. Corey September 25th, 2014 12:19 pm

    I may be able to add a little to the differences between the TLT6 C-One and the TLT6P. I actually got talked into pre-ordering it at the end of last season. This was primarily due to the amount of touch punch they were going to have to do. The C-One has a true thermo-moldable liner while the TLT6P isn’t as much. The toe of the TLT6P is covered with stiff Cordura which probably makes it more durable but also makes it harder to shape. I’m my case we have to punch it 2 sizes longer. Thus my issue. My bootfitter recommended it because he said in the end it would be much more comfortable for my foot shape.

    The main differences I saw in the specs was that the C-one is ever-so-slightly lighter in weight and the cuff is fiberglass instead of carbon. Which may mean not quite as stiff but close. Also its white, black and red instead of green. Biggest differences are the liner though.

    I really hope we don’t have the same boot fitter cause I don’t want to wait till December to get mine on my feet. (Sport Loft, SLC?)

  163. jim September 25th, 2014 12:34 pm

    Corey, yes we do have the same fitter – or at least that’s where I was.

    I had called another Competency dealer and they said the only difference between Performance and C One was the liner and fiberglass cuff. And of course the color. They didn’t mention anything about the Cordura.

    That shop actually had one size of the C One from last season on clearance at 40 percent off.

  164. Dane September 25th, 2014 2:33 pm

    C-One and P like the Mtn differ in only in weight only in liner. Mtn is actually the lightest shell. (at least only differ in the low size of 10g or less last I weighted them). But again Mtn version is the lightest shell in a 28 and 29 on the scale.

    Ski Performance and warmth can be changed fairly dramatically by changing to a better quality and more supportive liner on any of the three. Difference in performance, fiberglass verses carbon besides the price is marginal at best.

    Preleases mentioned above? TLT5 has more sole flex and if skied hard could well prelease more often than the rigid sole 6. But from what I have seen on Dynfits in actual use, preleases are generally more attributed to failure to clean pin holes and boot soles than biding failures. YMMV.

    But at 135# and a DIN of 7 I can tell you without question…there is a problem. Might well be your skiing style…or the TLT5 boot sole or the mount. I’d bet @ 135 you have small feet. TLT5 sole will be less or no problem for smaller feet. As Lou said they aren’t made to be a resort boot. But skied mine there a lot as well with zero problems. Cleaning off your boots and pin holes and doing a lever check is UBER important on dynafits every time you click in. And finally some folks just aint made to ski dynafits. No way in hell I would have stayed in a pair at 21. Now I ski a really low number and have zero complaints…resort , bc or no fall zones.

  165. Ben W September 26th, 2014 2:05 pm

    Stephen, I use TLT5 Mountains for long tours/ small skis and routes that include technicalish climbing, and Maestrale RS’s for bigger skis/ short tours and resort skiing with Marker F12’s. I stopped using alpine boots because, after skiing on lighter gear 90% of the time, they feel too clunky, and my style/technique has changed. The RS’s have a progressive flex that can drive most skis if they fit well and you ski centered. The TLT’s and Maestrales don’t fit quite the same but they both work for me a little work.

  166. Stephen September 29th, 2014 3:45 am

    As Ben also said, alpine boots always felt too heavy and clunky to me, and I *do not* like stiff forward flex at all.

    Re fit: I have long, narrow feet (28.5 TLTs), and Dynafit fits me as well as anything else, and better than most. While the TLT5 might not be intended as a resort boot, I’ve found it’s stiff enough for me – and I only ski maybe a week or so at the resort in an average year in any case.

    I’m not sure how to tell whether the pre-releases are primarily vertical or lateral, but am inclined to think it’s perhaps about 60:40; both are definitely happening. The problem is that the bindings release unexpectedly. If there was a consistent pattern it’d be easier to compensate somehow. FWIW, I always check the boot soles and holes before entry, also check engagement at the toe before stepping in at the heel. Away from the resort, I never seem to pop out, so I think the problem is from skiing faster and more shock loading. NB: I like to keep skis on the ground, so the problem isn’t because of air time. (Maybe I’m just too unco.)

    Anyway, no more skiing for me this year due to a broken collarbone. 🙁

  167. Dominik steger November 25th, 2014 2:25 pm

    Hey lou!

    As i am in the unlucky Situation to call myself the winner of a brand new tlt6 mountain cl. I was wondering if you have some ideas how to make that thing a bit stiffer.
    As i usually use a blizzard scout with a cochise 130pro, i am not shure if the combination with thw tlt6 and the scout will work?

    Thank you!

  168. Lou Dawson 2 November 25th, 2014 5:54 pm

    Dom, use the add-on tongues and do a nice snug liner mold. Be sure your shell size isn’t too big. Much of skiing this type of boot compared to a 130 is about getting used to it and adjusting your technique/timing. On the other hand, there comes a point where a bigger stiffer boot is more appropriate… Lou

  169. Dominik steger November 26th, 2014 12:50 am

    Thank you lou!

    Can i heat mold the cl liner at home?

  170. Lou Dawson 2 November 26th, 2014 5:05 am

    If you’re concerned about performance fit, you need to be working with a boot fitter in my opinion. But sure, you can mold at home with various methods re Google. Lou

  171. Paul January 21st, 2015 7:21 am

    Hey Lou,
    I have a question you may know to answer – Does the TLT 6 CR liner fit in the TLT 5 boot? Got TLT 5 three years ago and now need new liners but they don’s sell the TLT 5 anymore…
    Cheers, Paul

  172. Al t March 8th, 2015 9:38 pm

    Hi- I hope someone can take a minute and straighten out what may be a repetitive/stupid question. Some background. I’m 62, former patrolman, I ski a lot almost exclusively in the bc in the intermountain area. Powder and occasionally corn is really all I like. I ski like a competent old guy. I generally wear a running shoe 10. I have original zzero (296mm 26.5, luxury liners), manaslu skis. I’m interested in the tlt6. I’ve tried them on and the 27.0 seems to fit. I can jam my foot into the 26.5 297mm., but it definitely doesn’t fit like the zzeros. I can’t even get the luxury liner size 26 into the tlt6 26.5. Does this make sense? I thought the shell of the tlt6 was sposed to be bigger on the same size boot. Anyway, does the 27 tlt6 seem at least like a reasonable choice given this info? I’m terrified of getting a boot too big, having it pack out and be sliding around after a week of skiing. Thanks

  173. Lou Dawson 2 March 8th, 2015 9:45 pm

    Al, somewhere in my reviews I debunked the idea that the TLT6 had more room in the toe area than the 5. The 27 sounds ok. But did you simply do a shell fit, to cut through all the confusing messing around with lines and such? It sounds like you could use the help from a competent shop employee or boot fitter?

  174. Greg Louie March 9th, 2015 2:59 pm

    @Al: I wear a 10 running shoe, would have taken a 26.5 in a Zzero, and wear a 27.5 in a TLT6P (which is a 297 mm BSL), so it sounds pretty reasonable. As far as I can tell (I’ve tried both on) the 27.0 and 27.5 fit the same.

  175. Al t March 9th, 2015 3:17 pm

    Thanks for all the great info. 27 in this boot seems the way to go. As follow up. Any reason I would want the “mountain” vs the “performance” in the tlt6? I’m pretty easy on equipment and make lots of turns. Also, if I get the performance can the carbon cuff be punched for knobs etc? I assume the mountain cuff is easy to modify. Off topic but only some. Anybody skied the new manaslu 2.0? I still have the originals which I like a lot and they have been v durable in contrast to some people’s experience. I actually ran over them once ( what an idiot) and they still ski ok, but the new ones look really different and I don’t know what to expect.

  176. Lou Dawson 2 March 9th, 2015 3:32 pm

    Al, you can’t punch the carbon. The new Manaslu is an entirely different ski, they should not have used the same name, just confusing. It’s an ok ski but I like the old one better. Lou

  177. Greg November 19th, 2015 1:56 pm

    Lou, how did you get the cord under the TLT5-P toe piece? The cord that you clip the runaway leash to. Seems like there was a post on that, but I cannot locate it. Thanks

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