Comments on: New Garmont Axon — Another Dynafit Compatible Beef Boot http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/ Backcountry Skiing Weblog Blog, FAQs, more, links and info about randonnee, telemark and backcountry ski mountaineering. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Frank http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/comment-page-1/#comment-7454 Frank Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:21:29 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=938#comment-7454 marc, If you haven't already seen this thread at tgr, it's about as close as you're likely to get in terms of an objective AT boot stiffness comparison. Hopefully AT manufacturers continue making boots which at least attempt to approach the performance of alpine boots. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78437 marc,

If you haven’t already seen this thread at tgr, it’s about as close as you’re likely to get in terms of an objective AT boot stiffness comparison. Hopefully AT manufacturers continue making boots which at least attempt to approach the performance of alpine boots.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78437

]]> By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/comment-page-1/#comment-7453 Lou Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:52:44 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=938#comment-7453 Hi Mark, this could indeed be a case of chicken/egg escalation -- or perhaps everything will work in perfect harmony. I've thought quite a bit about the issue, and my main conclusion is that we need to get the beef boots out on the snow, on some charging skiers, and see what happens. As is frequently the case with ski bindings, consumer testing will tell the tale. I think we'll know the answer in about four months. As for Dynafit failures, the three in our family have been using Dynafit bindings for years and we've not had one catastrophic failure. But like anything Dynafits can break, yet no more so than any other AT binding. In fact, with the amount of use these things are getting all over the world I'm pretty surprised when someone asks about Dynafit durability as compared to other AT bindings. It seems to me that the jury has reached a verdict on that one. At any rate, info on Dynafit's rare foibles is here: http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=618 Hi Mark, this could indeed be a case of chicken/egg escalation — or perhaps everything will work in perfect harmony. I’ve thought quite a bit about the issue, and my main conclusion is that we need to get the beef boots out on the snow, on some charging skiers, and see what happens. As is frequently the case with ski bindings, consumer testing will tell the tale. I think we’ll know the answer in about four months.

As for Dynafit failures, the three in our family have been using Dynafit bindings for years and we’ve not had one catastrophic failure. But like anything Dynafits can break, yet no more so than any other AT binding. In fact, with the amount of use these things are getting all over the world I’m pretty surprised when someone asks about Dynafit durability as compared to other AT bindings. It seems to me that the jury has reached a verdict on that one. At any rate, info on Dynafit’s rare foibles is here: http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=618

]]> By: Mark Burggraff http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/comment-page-1/#comment-7452 Mark Burggraff Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:47:48 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=938#comment-7452 Do you think the increasingly beefy nature of Dynafit compatible boots will cause reliability issues with Dynafit bindings over the long haul. I guess I think that most of the boots marketed in the past with Dynafit compatiblity have been more touring (hence lighter) oriented. With the heavier, stiffer boots coming out now I would suspect the forces applied to the toe unit would be even greater. Or maybe the increase in force is not as much as I suspect. By the way have you ever had a Dynafit binding fail? If so what is the more common point of failure, the rear of the binding or the front? These questions are coming from a person thinking of joining the Dynafit tribe. Thanks Mark B Do you think the increasingly beefy nature of Dynafit compatible boots will cause reliability issues with Dynafit bindings over the long haul. I guess I think that most of the boots marketed in the past with Dynafit compatiblity have been more touring (hence lighter) oriented. With the heavier, stiffer boots coming out now I would suspect the forces applied to the toe unit would be even greater. Or maybe the increase in force is not as much as I suspect. By the way have you ever had a Dynafit binding fail? If so what is the more common point of failure, the rear of the binding or the front? These questions are coming from a person thinking of joining the Dynafit tribe.

Thanks

Mark B

]]> By: Marc http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/comment-page-1/#comment-7441 Marc Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:12:40 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=938#comment-7441 Another fine entry for the downhill oriented dynafit compatible boots... It'd be nice if a thorough review was done on all these "beef boots" to see how they stacked up to one another in terms of weight, flex, stiffness, fit, etc. As it is, one must sift through lots of forums to get any information and it's never all on the same page, nor is it objective. I still can't figure out what's stiffer: the zzero c, the zzero u or the spirit 4; and how do they compare to something like an adrenaline, which is what I have used for the last 3 years. These new beef boots are in a legue of their own, and the comparisons to the megarides only go so far. Lou, can you help us out? Another fine entry for the downhill oriented dynafit compatible boots… It’d be nice if a thorough review was done on all these “beef boots” to see how they stacked up to one another in terms of weight, flex, stiffness, fit, etc. As it is, one must sift through lots of forums to get any information and it’s never all on the same page, nor is it objective. I still can’t figure out what’s stiffer: the zzero c, the zzero u or the spirit 4; and how do they compare to something like an adrenaline, which is what I have used for the last 3 years. These new beef boots are in a legue of their own, and the comparisons to the megarides only go so far. Lou, can you help us out?

]]> By: Tom Gosiorowski http://www.wildsnow.com/938/garmont-axon-backcountry-skiing-boot/comment-page-1/#comment-7437 Tom Gosiorowski Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:54:42 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=938#comment-7437 I have been interested to learn more about these boots since I started seeing spy photos on some of the forums a few weeks ago. Definitely looks like the highest performance dynafit boot in terms of downhill performance, but it has some big numbers in terms of both price and weight. I wonder if it really weighs that much as I think the Endorphin is lighter. I'm in the market for a high performance downhill oriented Dynafit boot, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to pay that much. One has to wonder if it really skis that much better than a Zzero, Spirit 4, or modified Megaride. Also wonder what the price will be from the online euro retailers. I have been interested to learn more about these boots since I started seeing spy photos on some of the forums a few weeks ago. Definitely looks like the highest performance dynafit boot in terms of downhill performance, but it has some big numbers in terms of both price and weight. I wonder if it really weighs that much as I think the Endorphin is lighter. I’m in the market for a high performance downhill oriented Dynafit boot, but I’m not sure I could bring myself to pay that much. One has to wonder if it really skis that much better than a Zzero, Spirit 4, or modified Megaride. Also wonder what the price will be from the online euro retailers.

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