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	<title>Comments on: RE Global Warming &#8211; Cognative Dissonance in the Ski Industry</title>
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		<title>By: See</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/8818/ski-industry-resorts-global-warming-climate/#comment-49180</link>
		<dc:creator>See</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see it, warming will happen. Indeed, it already has, so it would be unrealistic to believe we can preserve the natural world as we have come to know it. 

On the other hand, to advocate &quot;adaptation&quot; is, in my opinion, to surrender in a fight with astronomically high stakes. 

The big advantage to going the &quot;adaptation&quot; route is that it doesn&#039;t require a shift away from the fossil fuel based model that has served many of us so well for so long. 

However, I would rather try and shift to alternative energy sources and practices in order to try and save what still can be saved of the natural world than admit defeat. 

Such a shift would have many other benefits (e.g. countries like the US are well positioned to provide the technology of the future, I&#039;d rather live near solar than coal, electric cars are quiet and clean, etc.), but this change is obviously not favored by some extremely powerful and entrenched interests.

And if any one is interested, I would suggest reading up on the claim that &quot;Met Office… scientists are now telling us that there has been no statistical global warming in the last 16 year.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, warming will happen. Indeed, it already has, so it would be unrealistic to believe we can preserve the natural world as we have come to know it. </p>
<p>On the other hand, to advocate &#8220;adaptation&#8221; is, in my opinion, to surrender in a fight with astronomically high stakes. </p>
<p>The big advantage to going the &#8220;adaptation&#8221; route is that it doesn&#8217;t require a shift away from the fossil fuel based model that has served many of us so well for so long. </p>
<p>However, I would rather try and shift to alternative energy sources and practices in order to try and save what still can be saved of the natural world than admit defeat. </p>
<p>Such a shift would have many other benefits (e.g. countries like the US are well positioned to provide the technology of the future, I&#8217;d rather live near solar than coal, electric cars are quiet and clean, etc.), but this change is obviously not favored by some extremely powerful and entrenched interests.</p>
<p>And if any one is interested, I would suggest reading up on the claim that &#8220;Met Office… scientists are now telling us that there has been no statistical global warming in the last 16 year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/8818/ski-industry-resorts-global-warming-climate/#comment-49177</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good or bad, adaptation is probably all that can feasibly be done from an economic standpoint.  Can&#039;t imagine getting permits for a new resort in the PNW unless it&#039;s totally on private land. In reality, snow levels at local ski resorts have been pretty good around here - about the same as what I remember as a kid back in the 60&#039;s.

Here is Rutgers University Snow Lab&#039;s 45 year trend in North American snow extent:

Fall - Up
Winter - Up 
Spring - Down

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=namgnld&amp;ui_season=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good or bad, adaptation is probably all that can feasibly be done from an economic standpoint.  Can&#8217;t imagine getting permits for a new resort in the PNW unless it&#8217;s totally on private land. In reality, snow levels at local ski resorts have been pretty good around here &#8211; about the same as what I remember as a kid back in the 60&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Here is Rutgers University Snow Lab&#8217;s 45 year trend in North American snow extent:</p>
<p>Fall &#8211; Up<br />
Winter &#8211; Up<br />
Spring &#8211; Down</p>
<p><a href="http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=namgnld&#038;ui_season=1" rel="nofollow">http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=namgnld&#038;ui_season=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/8818/ski-industry-resorts-global-warming-climate/#comment-49169</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a comment made by Chris (way up there): &quot;I personally don’t care if all the resorts closed tomorrow. I really don’t use them much and I’m much more concerned about dwindling revenues to keep our local mountain roads plowed and back country access available. Hey, isn’t this site about back country skiing??&quot;

...reminded me of an argument I came across recently on a CBC Ideas podcast, which related to the notion of &quot;adaptability&quot; with respect to climate CHANGE. In contrast to GW, there is considerable evidence that solar activity could lead to global cooling. So, the point was, that the key to surviving global climate change is building energy and infrastructure systems that can accommodate change, in either direction! Notwithstanding the evidence for climate cooling, there is enough uncertainty about local effects of climate change that we can not, as a society, meaningfully predict and prepare ourselves for specific climate changes (precip, temperature, wind, etc).

The answer? I think it needs to be adaptive, de-centralized systems with low capital investment costs, that can respond to climate variability. In the ski world, I think this means developing &quot;light-footprint&quot; local hills, with minimal (and portable??) infrastructure (think yurts instead of hotels). Short of that, I&#039;ll just go backcountry skiing! $100 for an over-used hill with receding snow-loss problems, or $0, a map, and a sense of adventure for an experience that can&#039;t be taken away? Easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a comment made by Chris (way up there): &#8220;I personally don’t care if all the resorts closed tomorrow. I really don’t use them much and I’m much more concerned about dwindling revenues to keep our local mountain roads plowed and back country access available. Hey, isn’t this site about back country skiing??&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;reminded me of an argument I came across recently on a CBC Ideas podcast, which related to the notion of &#8220;adaptability&#8221; with respect to climate CHANGE. In contrast to GW, there is considerable evidence that solar activity could lead to global cooling. So, the point was, that the key to surviving global climate change is building energy and infrastructure systems that can accommodate change, in either direction! Notwithstanding the evidence for climate cooling, there is enough uncertainty about local effects of climate change that we can not, as a society, meaningfully predict and prepare ourselves for specific climate changes (precip, temperature, wind, etc).</p>
<p>The answer? I think it needs to be adaptive, de-centralized systems with low capital investment costs, that can respond to climate variability. In the ski world, I think this means developing &#8220;light-footprint&#8221; local hills, with minimal (and portable??) infrastructure (think yurts instead of hotels). Short of that, I&#8217;ll just go backcountry skiing! $100 for an over-used hill with receding snow-loss problems, or $0, a map, and a sense of adventure for an experience that can&#8217;t be taken away? Easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/8818/ski-industry-resorts-global-warming-climate/#comment-49139</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See - no offense taken and good that you pointed out that acronyms are not helpful if not clear - my fault on that and apologies are in order. I also realize that it&#039;s highly unlikely that people will want to spend their free time looking at climate data. It&#039;s actually pretty boring, especially if you can be out skiing and celebrating winter with good friends, schnitzel and beer!

You mentioned that you would have preferred a little more information. Not sure if you saw the video in my first post but it will address your concerns far better than my load of acronyms.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYvXV2KxfQs

Also - just for the fun of it, I&#039;ve linked a video by Henrik Svensmark, a physicist that is looking at climate change from an entirely unique perspective. I&#039;m posting here because you will likely not see this in mainstream media as apparently it&#039;s not politically correct (yet…) This is a great short film - very well done, hopefully you will have a chance to see it.  If Svensmark is right our concept of climate will change radically. His theory is currently being tested at CERN in Switzerland (CLOUD experiment).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ

Hope you have a great ski season.

Lou – apologies if you think this is off topic, but if these guys are correct we might not have to be concerned about saving our ski resorts due to global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See &#8211; no offense taken and good that you pointed out that acronyms are not helpful if not clear &#8211; my fault on that and apologies are in order. I also realize that it&#8217;s highly unlikely that people will want to spend their free time looking at climate data. It&#8217;s actually pretty boring, especially if you can be out skiing and celebrating winter with good friends, schnitzel and beer!</p>
<p>You mentioned that you would have preferred a little more information. Not sure if you saw the video in my first post but it will address your concerns far better than my load of acronyms.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYvXV2KxfQs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYvXV2KxfQs</a></p>
<p>Also &#8211; just for the fun of it, I&#8217;ve linked a video by Henrik Svensmark, a physicist that is looking at climate change from an entirely unique perspective. I&#8217;m posting here because you will likely not see this in mainstream media as apparently it&#8217;s not politically correct (yet…) This is a great short film &#8211; very well done, hopefully you will have a chance to see it.  If Svensmark is right our concept of climate will change radically. His theory is currently being tested at CERN in Switzerland (CLOUD experiment).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ</a></p>
<p>Hope you have a great ski season.</p>
<p>Lou – apologies if you think this is off topic, but if these guys are correct we might not have to be concerned about saving our ski resorts due to global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/8818/ski-industry-resorts-global-warming-climate/#comment-49129</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehe

No Lou, 

We can&#039;t &quot;shift this discussion to how we can keep the resorts alive.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe</p>
<p>No Lou, </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t &#8220;shift this discussion to how we can keep the resorts alive.&#8221;</p>
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