Crested Butte Leads — Other Ski Resorts Follow re Uphill Skiing Issue


This post by WildSnow.com blogger  

Think of it what you will, thousands of skiers around the world are enjoying uphill skiing at resorts. Why? Cardio for the sake of cardio. Something fun on a high avy danger day. Guide needing a mellow situation for a new client. Dog walking. Testing gear. Skimo race training. You name it.

Crested Butte Mountain Resort uphilling trail map, click to enlarge.

Crested Butte Mountain Resort uphilling trail map, click to enlarge. See complete 2013-14 uphilling policy at bottom of post.

Well, today Crested Butte Mountain Resort announced their USFS-approved uphilling policy. With that, in our opinion Crested Butte is now leading other North American resorts in accommodating rapidly growing sport of uphill resort skiing in as official and above-board fashion as possible. They’ve got dog friendly routes; a daytime mostly uphill only, during-operations no-dogs route terminating at a coffee shop; before and after hours no-dogs route; trail map; demo center with uphilling gear at the base area. What’s not to love? Yeah, you’ll need to buy an uphilling pass or have a lift ticket, and the day route is short (920 vertical feet; do laps if you need more cardio, no doubt with popularity they will extend), but that’s a small price in our opinion for having uphill skiing that’s organized, safe, and fun for all. Congratulations CBMR! (See complete uphilling policy at the bottom of this post)

Ok, Crested Butte does it right, other resorts such as those out of Aspen have designated routes that welcome all-day use by uphillers. But what about the overall picture? We’ve made an effort over past weeks to email survey most resorts in the U.S., the vast majority didn’t respond and many others couldn’t even figure out what we were asking, perhaps like asking if they permitted snowboarding back when all that began? At any rate, below find the results of our survey. If we got anything wrong or anyone cares to comment, we’ll update where necessary:

Alaska:

Eaglecrest – Juneau: Uphill Policy

Arizona:

Arizona Snowbowl—Flagstaff No access during business hours. Unlimited ski travel during off-hours. See Official Policy.
Elk Ridge Ski Area—Williams : No Response
Mount Lemmon Ski Valley—Summerhaven : No Response
Sunrise Park Resort—Greer : No Response

California:

Mount Shasta Ski Park—Mount Shasta : No Response
Alpine Meadows—Tahoe City : No Response
Boreal—Soda Springs : No Response
Donner Ski Ranch—Norden : No Response
Granlibakken—Tahoe City : No Response
Heavenly Ski Resort—South Lake Tahoe : No Response
Homewood—Homewood : No Response
Kirkwood—Kirkwood : No Response
Northstar at Tahoe—Truckee : No Response
Sierra-at-Tahoe—Twin Bridges : No Response
Squaw Valley—Olympic Valley : No Response
Sugar Bowl—Norden : No Response
Soda Springs—Soda Springs : No Response
Tahoe Donner—Truckee : No Response
Badger Pass—Yosemite National Park : No Response
Bear Valley—Angels Camp : No Response
Dodge Ridge—Sonora : No Response
June Mountain—June Lake :Uphill Policy
Mammoth- Mammoth Lakes : No Response
Tamarack Resort and Lodge—Mammoth Lakes : No Response
Sierra Summit—Lakeshore : No Response
Alta Sierra—Wofford Heights : No Response
Buckhorn Ski and Snowboard Club—Three Points (private) : No Response
Bear Mountain—Big Bear Lake : No Response
Kratka Ridge : No Response
Mount Baldy Ski Lifts—Mount Baldy : No Response
Mount Waterman—Three Points : No Response
Mountain High—Wrightwood : No Response
Snow Summit—Big Bear Lake : No Response
Snow Valley Mountain Resort—Running Springs : No Response

Colorado:

A Basin: Complimentary pass required. See Uphill Policy for routes.
Aspen Mountain: The uphill route is Little Nell, Bingo Slot, Spar, Silver
Bell to the summit. Uphill traffic must be at the summit by 9:00am. No
dogs are permitted uphill on Aspen Mountain in the winter.

Aspen Highlands: the preferred route is Thunderbowl, Golden Horn, T-Lazy 7 Catwalk to the Merry Go Round. If uphillers are traveling further up the Aspen Highlands, we ask that you pass the MGR by 9:30.

(Aspen) Buttermilk: the designated routes up Main and Tiehack are marked
and segregated. No restrictions exist on Tiehack and West. The Main route is closed during the X Games.
(Aspen) Snowmass: No restrictions with regards to time or route (dogs permitted on a leash).
Beaver Creek: No Response
Crested Butte Mountain Resort (CBMR): Multiple designated routes, some during operating hours, others before and after. Much more, see their new official policy below or via this link to their website, or once we can link to it on their website.
Breckenridge: See Uphill Policy for routes and restrictions.
Durango Mountain Resort: No Response
Echo Mountain Park: No Response
Eldora Mountain Resort: Not Allowed under any circumstances.
Hesperus Ski Area: No Response
Howelsen Ski Area: No Response
Kendall Mountain: No Response
Copper: Uphill Policy
Crested Butte: Updated Policy forthcoming.
Keystone: Keystone allows uphill skinning until 9:00AM
Loveland: Uphill Policy
Winter Park: Uphill Policy
Vail: Uphill Policy
Monarch Ski Area: No Response
Powderhorn Resort: No Response
Silverton Mountain: No Response
Ski Cooper: No Response
SolVista Basin: No Response
Steamboat Ski Resort:Uphill Policy Signed waiver and reflective armband suggested for uphill traffic.
Sunlight Mountain Resort: No posted policy but allows unlimited skinning on all runs with free uphill pass.
Telluride Ski Resort: Not Allowed under any circumstances.
Wolf Creek Ski Area: No Response

Connecticut

Mohawk Mountain Ski Area—Cornwall: No Response
Mount Southington—Plantsville: No Response
Ski Sundown—New Hartford: No Response
Woodbury Ski Area—Woodbury: No Response

Idaho:

Bald Mountain—Pierce : No Response
Bogus Basin—Boise : No Response
Brundage Mountain—McCall : No Response
Cottonwood Butte—Cottonwood : No Response
Kelly Canyon—Ririe : No Response
Little Ski Hill—McCall : No Response
Lost Trail Powder Mountain—North Fork : No Response
Lookout Pass—Mullan : No Response
Magic Mountain—Hansen : No Response
Pebble Creek—Inkom : No Response
Pomerelle—Albion : No Response
Rotarun—Hailey : No Response
Schweitzer Mountain—Sandpoint : No Response
Silver Mountain—Kellogg : No Response
Snowhaven—Grangeville : No Response
Soldier Mountain—Fairfield : No Response
Sun Valley—Ketchum : No Response
Tamarack—Donnelly : No Response

Maine:

Baker Mountain—Bingham : No Response
Big Rock—Mars Hill : No Response
Big Squaw—Greenville : No Response
Black Mountain of Maine—Rumford : No Response
Camden Snow Bowl: Uphill Policy
Eaton Mountain—Skowhegan : No Response
Hermon Mountain—Hermon : No Response
Lonesome Pine Trails—Fort Kent : No Response
Lost Valley—Auburn : No Response
Mount Abram—Greenwood: Open uphill policy. Requested that uphillers pick up a complimentary uphill ticket prior to climbing.
Mount Jefferson Ski Area—Lee : No Response
Powderhouse Hill—South Berwick : No Response
Quoggy Jo—Presque Isle : No Response
Saddleback: Uphill Policy
Sugarloaf: Uphill Policy
Sunday River: Uphill Policy
Titcomb Mountain—Farmington : No Response

Maryland:

Wisp Ski Resort—McHenry : No Response

Massachusetts:

Wachusett: Early-morning ascent routes are skinner’s left of Ralph’s Run and Conifer Connection; uphill traffic must stop once the lifts open for the public.

Montana:

Bear Paw—Havre : No Response
Big Sky—Big Sky : No Response
Blacktail Mountain—Lakeside : No Response
Bridger Bowl—Bozeman: Uphill travel allowed before/after the operating dates
Discovery—Anaconda : No Response
Great Divide—Marysville : No Response
Lost Trail Powder Mountain—Conner : No Response
Maverick Mountain—Dillon : No Response
Montana Snowbowl—Missoula : No Response
Moonlight Basin—Big Sky : No Response
Red Lodge Mountain Resort—Red Lodge : No Response
Showdown—Niehart : No Response
Teton Pass—Choteau : No Response
Turner Mountain—Libby : No Response
Big Mountain—Whitefish Uphill Policy
Yellowstone Club—Big Sky (private) : No Response

Nevada

Diamond Peak—Incline Village : No Response
Las Vegas Ski & Snowboard Resort—Las Vegas : No Response
Mt. Rose—Reno : No Response
Sky Tavern Ski Area—Reno : No Response

New Hampshire:

Arrowhead—Claremont : No Response
Attitash Bear Peak—Bartlett : No Response
Black Mountain—Jackson : No Response
Bretton Woods—Bretton Woods : No Response
Cannon Mountain—Franconia Notch : No Response
Cranmore Mountain Resort—North Conway : No Response
Crotched Mountain—Bennington : No Response
Dartmouth Skiway—Lyme : No Response
Granite Gorge—Keene : No Response
Gunstock Mountain Resort—Gilford : No Response
King Pine—East Madison : No Response
Loon: Allowed only during pre- and post-season, with signs posted.
McIntyre Ski Area—Manchester : No Response
Mount Prospect—Lancaster : No Response
Mount Sunapee Resort—Sunapee : No Response
Pats Peak: Skinning allowed during midweek non-holiday in-season operational hours until 2:00, with purchase of a reduced-price ticket.
Ragged Mountain—Danbury : No Response
Tenney Mountain Ski and Snowboarding Area—Plymouth : No Response
The Balsams Wilderness—Dixville Notch : No Response
Waterville Valley: Uphill Policy
Whaleback—Enfield : No Response
Wildcat: Uphill Policy

New Jersey:

Campgaw Mountain—Mahwah : No Response
Hidden Valley—Vernon : No Response
Mountain Creek—Vernon : No Response

New Mexico

Angel Fire Resort—Angel Fire : No Response
Pajarito Mountain—Los Alamos : No Response
Red River Ski Area—Red River : No Response
Ski Apache—Ruidoso : No Response
Ski Santa Fe—Santa Fe Uphill policy
Sipapu—Vadito : No Response
Taos Ski Valley—Taos : No Response
Sandia Peak—Albuquerque : No Response
Ski Cloudcroft—Cloudcroft : No Response

New York:

Beartown Ski Area—Plattsburgh : No Response
Belleayre Mountain—Highmount : No Response
Big Tupper Ski Area—Tupper Lake : No Response
Bristol Mountain—South Bristol : No Response
Buffalo Ski Club—Colden : No Response
Catamount Ski Area—Hillsdale : No Response
Dry Hill Ski Area—Watertown : No Response
Gore Mountain—North Creek : No Response
Greek Peak—Virgil : No Response
Holiday Valley Ski Resort—Ellicottville : No Response
Holiday Mountain Ski & Fun—Monticello : No Response
Holimont—Ellicottville : No Response
Hunter Mountain—Hunter : No Response
Kissing Bridge—Colden : No Response
Labrador Mountain—Truxton : No Response
Peek’n Peak—Clymer : No Response
Plattekill Mountain—Roxbury : No Response
Song Mountain Resort—Tully : No Response
Snow Ridge Ski Resort-Turin : No Response
Swain—Swain : No Response
Thunder Ridge Ski Area—Patterson : No Response
Titus Mountain—Malone : No Response
Toggenburg Moutain-Fabius : No Response
Tuxedo Ski Center—Tuxedo : No Response
West Mountain—Glens Falls : No Response
Willard Mountain—Greenwich : No Response
Whiteface: No designated uphill skiing/skinning trails. During operational hours there is no uphill travel on-mountain.
Windham Mountain—Windham : No Response
Woods Valley Ski Resort-Westernville : No Response

Oregon

Cooper Spur—Parkdale
Mount Hood Meadows—Government Camp Uphill Policy
Mount Hood Ski Bowl—Government Camp : No Response
Summit Ski Area—Government Camp : No Response
Timberline—Government Camp Allowed from above Timberline Lodge on demarcated climber’s route along eastern periphery of ski area boundary
Hoodoo—Sisters : No Response
Mount Bachelor—Bend Uphill Policy
Willamette Pass—Odell Lake : No Response
Anthony Lakes—North Powder : No Response
Ferguson Ridge—Joseph : No Response
Mt. Ashland—Ashland : No Response
Spout Springs—Tollgate : No Response
Warner Canyon—Lakeview : No Response

Pennsylvania

Alpine Mountain Ski & Ride Center—Scranton : No Response
Bear Creek Mountain Resort—Macungie : No Response
Blue Knob All Seasons Resort—Claysburg : No Response
Blue Mountain Ski Area—Palmerton : No Response
Boyce Park—Pittsburgh : No Response
Camelback Ski Area—Tannersville : No Response
Eagle Rock Resort—Hazleton : No Response
Elk Mountain—Union Dale : No Response
Hidden Valley Four Seasons Resort—Hidden Valley : No Response
Jack Frost Big Boulder—Blakeslee : No Response
Liberty Mountain Resort—Carroll Valley : Not Allowed
Mountain View at Edinboro—Edinboro : No Response
Seven Springs Mountain Resort—Seven Springs : No Response
Shawnee Mountain Ski Area—East Stroudsburg : No Response
Ski Big Bear—Lackawaxen : No Response
Ski Denton—Coudersport : No Response
Ski Roundtop—Lewisberry : Not Allowed
Ski Sawmill—Morris : No Response
Snö Mountain—Scranton : No Response
Tussey Mountain Ski Area—State College : No Response
Whitetail Ski Resort—Mercersburg : Not Allowed

Utah

Alta—Alta (ski only) Uphill traffic allowed until 1-2 weeks prior to resort opening. Signs posted at base indicating if the mountain is open to uphill traffic.
Beaver Mountain—Logan Canyon : No Response
Brian Head—Brian Head : No Response
Brighton—Big Cottonwood Canyon Uphill Policy
The Canyons—Park City : No Response
Deer Valley—Park City (ski only) : No Response
Eagle Point Ski Resort—Beaver, Utah : No Response
Park City Mountain Resort—Park City : No Response
Powder Mountain—Eden : No Response
Snowbasin—Huntsville : No Response

Snowbird—Snowbird : No Response
Solitude—Big Cottonwood Canyon : No Response
Sundance—Sundance : No Response
Wolf Mountain—Eden : No Response

Vermont:

Ascutney Mountain Resort—Brownsville (closed) : No Response
Bear Creek Mountain Club—Plymouth (private) : No Response
Bolton Valley Resort Uphill traffic prohibited at all times.
Bromley: Prohibited during non-operational hours; during operational hours, stay on trail edges.
Burke: Uphill Policy
Cochran’s Ski Area—Richmond : No Response
Jay Peak: Allowed only during nonoperational hours.
Killington Ski Resort—Killington : No Response
Mad Riven Glen: Uphill Policy
Magic: Uphill Policy
Middlebury College Snow Bowl—Middlebury : No Response
Mount Snow: Uphill Policy
Northeast Slopes:Skinning allowed at all times. No restrictions.
Okemo Mountain—Ludlow : No Response
Pico Mountain—Killington : No Response
Quechee Lakes Ski Area—Quechee (private) : No Response
Smuggler’s Notch: Allowed only during nonoperational hours.
Stowe: Uphill Policy
Stratton: Uphill traffic should stay on green and blue terrain, to the extreme right, single file. No dogs.
Sugarbush: Uphill Policy
Suicide Six—Woodstock : No Response

Washington

49 Degrees North Ski Area—Chewelah : No Response
Badger Mountain Ski Area—Waterville : No Response
Bluewood Ski Area—near Dayton : No Response
Crystal Mountain—near Enumclaw:Uphill Policy
Echo Valley Ski Area—Chelan : No Response
Hurricane Ridge Ski and Snowboard Area—Port Angeles : No Response
Leavenworth Ski Hill—Leavenworth : No Response
Loup Loup Ski Bowl—near Twisp : No Response
Meany Lodge—Snoqualmie Pass (private) : No Response
Mission Ridge Ski Area—Wenatchee: Uphill Policyl
Mount Baker Ski Area—Glacier : No Response
Mount Spokane Ski and Snowboard Park—near Spokane : No Response
Sahalie Ski Club—Snoqualmie Pass (private) : No Response
Sitzmark Lifts—Tonasket : No Response
Stevens Pass Ski Area—Stevens Pass:Uphill Policy
The Summit at Snoqualmie—Snoqualmie Pass : No Response
Alpental: Check with Ski Patrolers before beginning uphill travel.
Summit Central : No Response
Summit East : No Response
Summit West : No Response
White Pass Ski Area—White Pass : No Response

Wyoming

Beartooth Pass—near Cody : No Response
Big Horn—Ten Sleep : No Response
Grand Targhee— Driggs OK to skin uphill on the cat track until 9 am
Hogadon—Casper : No Response
Jackson Hole—Teton Village Not Allowed, punishable by law.
Pine Creek—Cokeville : No Response
Snow King—JacksonUphill access allowed on designated trails from 8am-8pm. See Uphill Policy
Snowy Range—Centennial : No Response
White Pine—Pinedale : No Response

2013 CBMR WINTER UPHILL USE POLICY

Crested Butte Mountain Resort (CBMR) and the US Forest Service encourage use of public land. Users should be aware that the public lands comprising Crested Butte ski area are under permit to CBMR by the US Forest Service (USFS). While enjoying these permitted lands, users must abide by CBMR and USFS’s restrictions and recommendations. Uphill Use by means of skinning has gained popularity at Crested Butte in recent years. CBMR welcomes and supports individuals seeking to exercise and enjoy the quiet mountain setting. Uphill users can help preserve this opportunity by following these simple guidelines:

General
o You are required to have an Uphill Use pass. This pass is available at the Adventure Center during operational hours. Uphill pass holders will be required to view a short educational video and sign an acknowledgement waiver prior to Uphill Use.

o Under Colorado Skier Safety Act, any person using any of the facilities of a ski area is considered a skier and as such is required to adhere to and obey all posted information and to be aware of trail closures and other operational considerations. Be especially aware of other
skiers and riders approaching from above or below when on-mountain. Snowmobiles, snow cats, winch cat cable, snowmaking hoses and other equipment may be encountered at any time, the skier assumes all risks.

o Updated route information can also be found on the Snow Report Hotline at 970-349-2323 or online at www.skicb.com/cbmr/snow-report

o When the Ski Patrol is conducting early-morning avalanche control work, a red flashing light will be deployed on top of tower 3 of the Red Lady lift and at the base area. DO NOT CONTINUE UPHILL BEYOND YELLOW BRICK ROAD AT UPPER PARK or THE TOP
OF RED LADY LIFT!

o Use of all Terrain Parks is prohibited outside of normal operating hours.

o Before and after daylight hours, reflective clothing is recommended.

o Headlamps are required to be turned on while on the mountain before 9 am and after 4:30 pm.

Operating Hours
o Uphill Use on the ski area is permissible before and after operating hours on allowed groomed trails and during operating hours via the designated Base to Ten Peaks uphill route.
o All uphill travel must cease by 9:00 a.m. and may not begin again until 4:30 p.m., with the exception of the Base to Ten Peaks route.
o Pre-season access is not allowed due to snowmaking and grooming operations.

Dogs
o Dogs must be on a leash or kept under verbal control and owners must clean up all solid waste, failure to do so may result in removal of Uphill Use privileges.
o All dogs are required to wear a turned-on collar headlight while on-mountain.
o Dogs and owners must follow designated “dog routes”, please see “Uphill Routes” below.
o Dogs are not permitted on-mountain from 9 am to 4:30 pm.

Prohibited Trails.
o All un-groomed trails are closed for Uphill Use.
o International, Buckley, and Championship trails are closed for Uphill Use.
o Upper Keystone and Triangle are closed in the afternoon and evening due to the frequency of winch cat operations.
o Extreme Limits access roads (i.e. Schofield Pass, Phoenix Exit, Easy Out, Banana Exit, Bottom of Sock-It-To-Me) are closed at all times.

Uphill Routes
o All groomed trails are open to Uphill Use with the exception of listed Prohibited Trails.
o Stay in the center of the trail for the best visibility.
o The following routes are recommended: (see Uphill Use map)
o Warming House Hill to Keystone to Upper Park to Yellow Brick Road to:
o Upper Keystone to the Triangle to Windy Gap to top of Silver Queen lift.
o Upper Ruby Chief to Silver Queen Road (SQR).
o Designated “Dog Routes” (see Uphill Use map)
o Warming House Hill to Keystone to Peanut to Houston Access to Forest Queen to Paradise Bowl to SQR to Lower North Star to the top of Silver Queen lift.
o Warming House Hill to Houston to Houston Access to Forest Queen to Paradise Bowl to SQR to Lower North Star to the top of Silver Queen lift.

Descending Routes
o Downhill travel is restricted to open, groomed terrain with the exception of prohibited trails
o “Dog Routes” – follow designated uphill dog routes in reverse, dogs are not allowed on other downhill trails.

Avalanche Danger and Explosives
o Avalanche danger may exist at anytime along many of the uphill routes. Following ANY amount of new snow, or wind, the Ski Patrol may be conducting avalanche control work, including the use of explosives.
o Avalanche control updates will be posted on CBMR’s Snow Report at 5am.
o When the Ski Patrol is conducting early morning avalanche control work, a red flashing light will be deployed on tower 3 of the Red Lady lift and at the base area.

DO NOT CONTINUE UPHILL BEYOND YELLOW BRICK ROAD AT UPPER PARK or THE TOP OF RED LADY LIFT!
- Any other specific closures may be noted on the Snow Report.
- During early season avalanche control mornings, please do not proceed uphill past the Red Lady lift top terminal, if the Upper Park trail is not open.

Hazards
Participants must also beware of and avoid mountain hazards. These include, but are not limited to:
- Snowmaking hoses – Danger, high pressure! Don’t ski over hoses!
- Snowmaking hydrants – Don’t fall in open sites!
- Snowmobiles – Stay in the middle of trails, Don’t get hit!
- Snow Cat grooming – Give cats a wide berth and make yourself visible to operators, don’t assume they see you!
- Winch Cat operations – Dangerous cable! Under no circumstances may anyone access any area within the Resort where winch cat operations are taking place. Such work will involve cables stretched tightly across the terrain and is very dangerous. Skiing into them could result in serious injury or death. Respect strobe lights and signage.
- Other hazard areas, operations or conditions that may exist on-mountain.

Comments

69 Responses to “Crested Butte Leads — Other Ski Resorts Follow re Uphill Skiing Issue”

  1. Chet Roe February 14th, 2013 12:33 pm

    You said see their uphill policy above…I don’t see any uphill policy above….am I missing it? thanks, Chet

  2. Chet Roe February 14th, 2013 12:35 pm

    Oops yes it’s above, sorry, Chet

  3. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 12:35 pm

    Sorry, it’s at the bottom of the post and we’re editing it so it’s more readable.

  4. Hojo February 14th, 2013 1:05 pm

    It’s nice to see some proactive work on this.

  5. Tuck February 14th, 2013 1:05 pm

    Sugarbush (where I ski) has a map for each of the two mountains to show the uphill travel route. You can ask for it at the customer service desk. It mostly takes you up the snowshoe trails that exist at both mountains. They also allow skinning up when lifts are on wind hold, as implied in their written policy.

    I’ve also skinned up Mt. Snow, although not in the last four years. Ski patrol was fine with it, but we mostly went up closed trails and down open ones, so we stayed out of others’ way. Don’t know what the official policy is…

    Cochrans’ is about 250′ vertical. They may be too busy laughing to respond to your inquiry…

    The Trapp Family Lodge (you know, the “Sound of Music”) also has a backcountry-only area (it’s near Stowe):

    https://www.trappfamily.com/content/9688

  6. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 1:08 pm

    Good Tuck, thanks, we’ll update. Lou

  7. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 1:14 pm

    Hojo, yeah, what sets them apart is their effort to do a daytime route that’s somewhat separate from downhill traffic, as well as having a demo center with uphilling gear sitting there at the base. The whole thing is really cool.

  8. Jed February 14th, 2013 1:40 pm

    June Mountain in California is open for uphill travel this season, as per this Forest Service policy:
    http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/inyo/recreation/recarea/?recid=70817&actid=89

  9. Tim February 14th, 2013 1:44 pm

    Wolf Creek didn’t bother me uphilling during operating hours last year.

    Kirkwood was unclear. I was busted once during operating hours, but the next day the patroller who busted me saw me again and said that there were no restrictions on uphilling.

  10. mtnrunner2 February 14th, 2013 1:46 pm

    The first time I asked at Winter Park (actually Mary Jane) a couple of years ago they didn’t have a very reassuring answer. Sort of “well, it’s national forest, yadda yadda I think so maybe” but they now have a policy and I regularly see skinning on Mary Jane trail. Glad it’s clear.

    BTW, Winter Park is listed twice above, once as having a policy, and once as “no response”.

  11. jerimy February 14th, 2013 2:09 pm

    Tenney Mtn probably didn’t respond since they haven’t operated in years! The owner doesn’t seem to mind uphillers although many trails are getting rather sporty.

    According to a few other sources, Jay Peak, VT has an open uphill policy. Maybe they changed their tune. http://vtsports.com/resort-policies-on-uphill-travel

  12. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 2:12 pm

    This is not exactly an easy project you guys, so thanks for the help, sarcasm included. Lou

  13. MVA February 14th, 2013 3:16 pm

    For those of us in aerobic nut job land (boulder) could you look further into the policies at Eldora? I have inquired repeatedly with USFS only to never get a response on the issue. I also have heard (from someone that knows one of the owners) that Eldo base area is owned by 17 partners, and if anything were to happen with the property it must be by unanimous vote. What I am conflicted with is that they are blocking access to public land by doing this (I have never seen a map delineating private/public land on Eldo). I think should uphilling be allowed at Eldo (and a coffee shop opened at the base early enough) you’d have a solid number of folks coming up the canyon to train and workout early before work from both Ned and Boulder, grab a java and head back down. I for one would be one of these folks. And I know that in my circle of friends there’d be at least a dozen others who would do so on at least a once weekly basis. Including folks who have season passes to Eldo.

    Thanks for the list!

  14. ty February 14th, 2013 3:38 pm

    Bridger Bowl allows uphill travel before/after the operating dates, which is great for us montanans considering the steeps really fill in with all that wet april and may snow. Unfortunately Big Sky and Moonlight Basin DO NOT allow travel late season, due to the privately owned nature of the terrain….this is a real shame because some of the lines on lone peak never fill in by mid april…but many probably do soon after the closing date….I have dreams of shedding some of the upper mountain lines in perfect may powder…sigh

  15. Phil Maynarf February 14th, 2013 3:44 pm

    Elk Mountain PA makes you sit in the patrol shack like a naughty child, and threatens to charge you with theft of services for skinning before hours. Skinning during hours will get you arrested, I was told.

    That’s just one jackweed patroller, but he seems to be in charge. The other ones let me do it all season.

  16. Bryan February 14th, 2013 3:46 pm

    MVA – Eldora ownership has a rich history of doing things that don’t make any sense, but they’re the owners after all.

    From what I understand, the base area is private land. This private land extends no further than the top of the bunny hill to the lookers right of the nordic center. You can see these borders outlined on the recent master plan. There is an easement for the Jenny Creek trailhead which allows people to go through the private land of the resort and onto the Jenny Creek trail. Once you’re past the base area, you are on National Forest Service land NOT private land.

    I don’t believe they have an uphill policy in place, but at the same time, you definitely cannot skin straight up a groomer (even if accessed by Jenny Creek). The most obvious work around is to skin all the way out on the Jenny Creek trail, hang a hard right towards the open backcountry gate at the top of Corona lift…and ski back down. Jenny Creek has zero avalanche terrain.

  17. Pete Anzalone February 14th, 2013 3:46 pm

    Great post and research.

    I hope as those “no responses” turn into policy statements, this page will be updated and permanently accessible via WildSnow – makes for some very interesting reading.

    Thanks!

  18. Phil Miller February 14th, 2013 4:02 pm

    In SoCal I’ve seen uphillers at Snow Summit and Mt. High climb and ski. They are both on Forest Service land. In both cases, uphillers stay to the aprons (not in the middle as CB recommends) and generally take the bends in the trail on the outside. This lessens the angle of the skin-track, but it also keeps them out of traffic – no conflict of interest there.

  19. poppa gottaski February 14th, 2013 5:01 pm

    Lake Louise used have a “if you can skin it, you can ski it” policy, unofficial, but totally respected. As befitted the owner’s dirtbag mountaineer roots.
    Mt Cain on Vancouver Island used to allow uphilling to access the slack-country adjacent to their lease, but now insists that you have a ticket (one-ride slides available), or be totally off piste.
    RCR apparently has a strict no uphilling policy (Kimberley, Fernie, Golden to name a few of their properties) as I was informed by a Ferne local after doing a twilight skin last week. Though Kimberley doesn’t seem to be enforced, even during operating hours.
    The irony of course is that skiing’s roots are as travel, not just recreation. So, encourage your hill to get onboard with uphill routing, passes, and access, ’cause you gotta get up to get down!

  20. George February 14th, 2013 5:37 pm

    Aspen Mtn and Highlands would benefit by providing a daytime route to the summit. I know I would pay an extra uphill fee…gasp (on top of my season pass) if both offered the ability to skin uphill to the summit during the day. The Highlands’ route could run thru the trees from Merry-Go-Round to Cloud Nine and then take the summer road to the top of Loges Lift.
    I applaud CB’s solution to the top.

  21. Ryan February 14th, 2013 6:34 pm

    FYI – Round Top, Liberty and Whitetail back in PA are all owned by the same management corp. Sno-time and they DO NOT allow you on the slopes off hours.

    Peek n Peek in Western New York used to allow you to skate ski up hill back 20 years ago…may have changed that policy by now though.

  22. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 6:43 pm

    Ryan, some of the Freerides have an axle that can be removed. If yours are that way, take apart and see if something is renewable in there, and then proceed with whatever it takes. But I suspect they might be hard to repair.

    Regarding the OT, please at least make an effort to use our search function to have at least put this on a binding post! Come on man… try typing the words “Fritschi Freeride” in there and see what you can find.

    To keep this from drifting, I’ll delete from here once you see it.

    Lou

  23. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 6:45 pm

    George, believe it or not, when Gerald Hines was doing his Highlands thing, he had Perlmutter and I figure out that exact route. We found a way to Loge that used almost NO ski runs, mostly by staying to the left, but then using some of the other timber islands. It’s a very cool route. Perhaps it’ll happen some day. Lou

  24. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 6:49 pm

    It’s pretty funny watching the caniptions many resorts are going through with this. They could indeed keep it simple, if they have the terrain, by designating a safe route that is nearly or totally 100% off their downhill runs, and make that the only legal uphill route, 24/7. I know of several resorts that could easily do this. Many of course just don’t have the topography or area, but those that do, what an amazingly simple solution…

  25. Kai February 14th, 2013 7:01 pm

    Congratulations CBMR and the bc ski community. I worked with Crested Butte for 8 years (2002-2010) as the USFS Snow Ranger. When I first arrived there, ALL after/before hours access was strictly prohibited by the resort. It was NO Trespassing, even on public land. That was the policy. When advocating for change, I was swiftly silenced, as the resort protested my activism for change in uphill access policy with my superiors. There were issues for the resort especially safety, and i understand. But they didn’t even want to talk about it in a meaningful way. Times have changed, but the irony is deep. Water under the bridge really, but very interesting to directly see/experienced the corporate resistance, and now see the resort heralded as a leader in uphill access. Congratulations CBMR. . .seems you are maturing and understanding the core community values in Crested Butte and integrating them into your business model. Hooray! Keep up the good work! Looking forward to seeing your plans for Snodgrass development along the same lines. You’ll have a winner there, and you’ll be seen as leading the industry with a low impact, low development “adventure mountain” concept that capitalizes on the community’s identity and character and respects the phenomenal beauty of the place.

  26. Greg February 14th, 2013 7:12 pm

    I was skinning up Winter Park earlier this season, and everyone there was totally supportive (a guy on a snowmobile who I think was head snow maker stopped by and made sure I was doing all right). They only asked that I not go up routes they were actively making snow on (which makes total sense). I was even reminded that they didn’t check for lift tickets above the base :wink: in case I ever wanted to bring my friends that didn’t have lift tickets. I doubt I’ll ever take advantage of it, but man it showed me how much they want to capture the uphill skier demographic.

  27. Lou Dawson February 14th, 2013 7:26 pm

    Kai, my understanding is the change in ownership has a lot to do with this. Thanks for not using their change in values as an excuse for cynical criticism (a little to little too late, and so forth). We have to allow people — and corporations — to make positive change. The impression I get from CBMR is we’re going to see a progression into much more core values, as it seems they’ve realized that trying to be a destination resort in the middle of nowhere in a high desert requires a bit more than snowmaking and advertising their steep rocks, err, I mean snow. Uphilling can, in my opinion, be a big part of a resort. A really big part. We shall see.

  28. Sedgesprite February 14th, 2013 8:02 pm

    Alaska?

    http://www.juneau.org/ecrestftp/Uphilltrafficpolicyfy12.php

    in the interest of completeness…

  29. Ben February 14th, 2013 8:14 pm

    I am the Mountain Manager of Ski Santa Fe, and as an avid uphiller, SkiMo racer in addition to feeling it is a service that attracts guests to our resort that also buy tickets or are season pass holders, we allow uphiling day and night with only a few exceptions. The exceptions are to ask folks to stay off of runs that are having snow made on them, runs that have the winch snow cat on them (very dangerous to be around that cable) and during heavy snowfall certain runs that may have avalanche danger for not only the uphiller but our patrollers that are out conducting mitigation work. Other than that we simply ask the uphillers to stay in single file, avoid blind corners and leash their dogs. We feel that many of our customers are also uphillers and our pure backcountry often doesnt come into use until late winter and the ski area is the only choice. I dont pretend to have all the answers for resorts but we see benefits from a community and a business perspective. bind

  30. john nobil February 14th, 2013 9:05 pm

    Uphilling is also an awesome way for the alpine touring curious to get their feet wet. The overall concept that keeps occurring to me is that uphilling is good for business: for the ski area, the town, and of course the shops. I can think of more than a few novice skiers, xc focused skaters, and summer focused recreationalists (climbers) for whom unconsolidated b.c. terrain is simply too challenging and intimidating, but they are interested in a.t. nonetheless. If I could just walk them thru a few easy days of skinning on the groomers, presto, i’ve just created a new b.c. skiing enthusiast. The business leaders, shop owners, and fitness trainers of our ski towns in CA should be all over this. Not to mention the 9-5er who just doesn’t have the time to ski the hill on workdays, but would gladly pay a small fee to to stay out of the gym at 6am!

  31. Dan February 14th, 2013 9:12 pm

    Having asked about using it to train for a Tetons trip and having the request denied, I think I can safely say that Bristol Mountain in New York does not allow uphill travel.

  32. Michael Hagen February 14th, 2013 10:00 pm

    This is a great resource. Thanks, Joe.

    The Summit County areas are very supportive. The Breck CEO and many patrollers/employees skin. The mayor skins. On some weekend mornings I’ve seen 50 people before opening. Skinning is allowed 24/7 at Breck, although nominally restricted to certain routes. In this aspect, in my opinion, there is room for more enlightenment on the part of both the ski areas and ski tourers. The designated routes are the same as those for snowmobiles carrying operators to the lifts and are the main routes for the snow groomers. I presume the intent of putting us on the same trails is somehow safety related, but it seems to encourage conflict rather than reduce it (especially for those with uncontrolled herding dogs).

    As you mentioned, Lou, the better solution seems to be designing, designating and marking uphill routes in the woods that are entirely (or as much as possible) away from downhill routes. No conflict with snowmobiles and groomers, most downhill skiers, etc. Plus, uphill routes through the woods are quieter and warmer (less wind) and more peaceful then being out on a groomer. And more interesting and technically challenging.

    I’m hoping Breck (and other areas) will eventually agree that off-piste uphill routes are the way to go. So far we are just making casual suggestions to contacts, but hope Breck will eventually, as CBMR did, formally request input from the uphillers. In the meantime, my friends and I continue to scout out off-piste uphill routes. No conflicts so far — no one ever sees us.

  33. Omr February 14th, 2013 10:15 pm

    Scratching my head on this – again – skinning at a resort with the masses is counter to why I bc ski. Yeah, I’m old and cranky, but I work all week in a stressful environment and my skiing is an escape from that world. I can’t see myself driving to a resort, bypassing multiple trailheads, just to skin up groomers. Yeah, maybe if I lived close to ski area I’d do it, but for now, no thanks. (I run trails for mi-week work outs – thank you snow-shoers for packing those trails).

  34. Mark February 15th, 2013 6:03 am

    I support the policy, but I’m with Omr: if I don’t feel like lift served skiing, and the avalanche danger is too high for a “real” tour, I’d rather skin up one of the innumerable snow-covered roads around these parts and get my exercise and scenic views and breaths of mountain air that way rather than go to a high density recreation area like a ski resort. I can’t quite figure out why I would ever bother to skin around a ski area inbounds.

  35. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 7:13 am

    Mark, understanding skin climbing at a resort requires one to have an open mind and be multi cultural (grin). Seriously, sure, it’s not for everyone and some places with a lot of nice safe backcountry skin tracks might not need it. The main thing to picture is there is a population of resort skiers who could care less about adventure and backcountry, and when visiting a resort they’d rather get their cardio outside instead of on the eliptical in the hotel workout room. Part of this deal is to allow those skiers an on-hill experience instead of them going ice jogging. But mostly, skinning resorts can simply be fun for almost anyone, just like nearly any other form of skiing. And indeed, it’s not for everyone.

    What I think we all need to remember is there are already a lot of skiers doing this. Perhaps not you. But it’s part of the whole human powered skiing movement and an adjunct to backcountry due to the gear and spirit, so we’ll cover it to an extent — even if we sometimes don’t understand it.

    Lou

  36. John Gloor February 15th, 2013 9:09 am

    At CBRM, does the descending policy extend to all uphillers, or more towards hikers and snowshoers? It would be hard to resist skiing wherever you wanted after skinning up. If you have a season lift pass, could you ski wherever you wanted assuming no closures?

  37. Kai February 15th, 2013 9:14 am

    Lou, Agreed. It was indeed the change of leadership and then subsequently the change in ownership at CBMR which opened the doors to embracing uphill access at the resort. One new CEO who loved to get outdoors before work changed the policy. I don’t have a need to point a finger at the resort, but as a fed land manager, I always find it intriguing/interesting/frustrating/tragic (choose one) when power politics interfere with the basic concept of “doing the right thing”, and to see the ideas and concepts thus advocated come to fruition down the road. Such is the nature of progress, i suppose. It is a great thing that CBMR, and the Forest Service have embraced at the resort, and I’m glad for it. I suspect that many resorts will follow suit with similar programs tailored to their mountains as uphilling at this particular resort has become insanely popular in just a few years.

  38. jerimy February 15th, 2013 9:26 am

    Sorry if I ruffled feathers, Lou, no doubt this is a big project and jest was well intended. As a Wachusett pass holder and frequent uphiller there, were did you find their policy? I haven’t yet found it on their site.

  39. Willis Richardson February 15th, 2013 9:48 am

    I think the idea is brilliant. I ski at the Canyons in Park City because they have a backountry gate that is always open. It is very difficult to find any other access points in Park City to get to the backcountry. I have one issue with the skinning, and it is dogs. My feeling no dogs allowed period, We have an ordinance in Summit County dogs need to be on a leash. It does not happen especially in the summer. There have been several attacks in an area called Round Valley in Park City. The comment I get when the dog starts to bark and challenge me from the owner is “the dog doesn’t like your sunglasses and hat”. If there is a leash law, it is a leash law. To me if they do allow dogs, and the dog is off the leash $500 fine no exceptions. The notice should be posted at the trail head. I have had to result in caring OC, and if the conditions continue I will have to start carrying a weapon. Love me, love my dog does not work when animals confront strangers especially in wooded trail areas.

  40. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 9:52 am

    Gloor, the general idea is that before and after hours, people ski down on safe runs that are “open” and don’t have a winch cat, avy danger, etc. That’s what they’re trying to address. They’re super concerned about things like someone being killed by a winch cat cable in the dark, as you know some of the skimo folks bomb down at over 50 mph with a tiny headlamp… During operating hours, I’m certain that any run you can access from the termination of the day route will be legal, that is unless it’s a run with no return to base without skinning our riding lifts. Not sure of the topography of the day route, will be checking it out eventually. Lou

  41. Jk February 15th, 2013 9:54 am

    So are ski area lift tickets a good deal or not? What about the good old days? Try this link and your memory of lift ticket prices to decide.
    http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2012_fotw741.html
    Using my math, gas now at about $3.60 / gal and a Jackson Hole day ticket at $99 I get 99/3.60=27.5 gallons for a day on the lifts. Compare to Winter Park in 1962(ish). $3.50/.31=11.3 I agree ski resorts support communities but it is getting expensive to ski. Uphill adds a potential customer.

  42. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 9:58 am

    Willis, in my conversations with CBMR the dog issue was top-of-mind. They are well aware that while allowing dogs in some fashion is very important to a certain group of locals, for many of us dogs are simply a dangerous hassle. Over and over and over again I hear stories about dog attacks on skiers and runners, several that have resulted in surgery. Not only that, but the turds… It appears that CBMR allows dogs on most parts of the before and after hours uphilling routes, I think they’ll have to change that. I’ll bet the chances of a dog hurting someone are way better than a winch cat cable hurting someone.

    I’m trying to make sense of the trail map and uphilling policy, both are generally pretty good, but it could be more clear how to skin without dogs around. It appears the way to do that is to NOT use the recommended route up, which appears to combine with the dog route. I think if you’re there it’ll all be pretty obvious.

  43. Ralph February 15th, 2013 10:19 am

    Sandia Peak NM has never given me a hard time, the patrollers were always cool. Same with Santa Fe NM. Last time I was there they also sold 1-ride tix for access to HH. Taos NM does not allow skinning, however, and have been told to leave.

    Bolton Valley has an adjacent touring area, for which you can purchase a touring ticket. It doesn’t gain you access to their lifts, or the lift-serve area. I typically buy both passes, and spend 1/2 day with folks in bounds, and then head out. Since I only go there 1x a year, I figure it’s worth it.

    I always try to be very respectful of the other paying users of the mountain, and especially careful of any snowmaking hoses I might encounter. It only takes one damaged piece of equipment to ruin it for everyone.

  44. Scooter February 15th, 2013 11:05 am

    Lou – the CB dog owners, especially those who want to skin in the am, I’m sure are very responsible in how they handle their dogs. I understand that not everyone is a dog lover in CO., but they are a very big part of CO. mtn culture. Many of the resorts who are allowing morning skinning are also allowing dogs. ABasin is dog friendly, I have friends who skin with their dogs at Keystone, Breck, and Copper. Like it or not dogs are going to be a part of the am skinning scene. Also most of the resorts close their mtns to skinning when a wench cat is operating so you are right that there might be more accidents with dogs rather than wench cats at fault.
    All things considered resorts embracing the uphill skiing crowd which has emerged in the last few years is a great step for the industry which desperately needs more participants. It also might keep a few folks out of the BC which could be great for a lot of wild snowers.

  45. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 11:28 am

    No need for dog defense, I understand how they are loved by owners, main thing is the resorts do eventually provide some dog-free routes, just as they provide dog friendly routes, or else 100% leash law rather than voice control, which many times is not. No need for any big argument. The first time a dog hurts someone or a dog is hurt of killed, things will get sorted out. It’s inevitable. Lisa and I have both been attacked by dogs while skinning, so I’m not doing fantasy here. Lou

  46. Scooter February 15th, 2013 11:35 am

    you gotta quit skinning with bacon in your pockets.
    Also those dogs in Cdale run with a pretty rough crowd.

  47. John Gloor February 15th, 2013 11:57 am

    Thanks Lou. It should have been obvious to me that top of mountain skiing was for before and after business hours. Skiing the groomers, with a light makes sense.

  48. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 12:00 pm

    Forgot about that bacon (grin).

  49. Lou Dawson February 15th, 2013 1:39 pm

    re dogs, a CBMR spokesperson sent me this:

    “What we found are that most serious conflicts with uphill and dogs are
    in just a few sections of the mountain, primarily in steeper sections
    where downhill skiers pick up speed and confront uphill dog traffic.
    Our trails initially start off together and then the dog routes veer off
    to mitigate the occurrence of conflicts happening. Our feeling is to
    see how this goes for the remainder of the season and based upon the
    success or failure, revise next year’s plan accordingly.”

  50. JCoates February 15th, 2013 2:42 pm

    It’s not what goes into a dog’s mouth that bothers me…it’s the fear of skiing over or falling into what comes out the other end.

  51. Crazy Horse February 15th, 2013 3:57 pm

    Lou, you’ve got to start pulling the trigger on that bear spray. Works even better on dogs.

  52. Will February 15th, 2013 7:07 pm

    Brighton Utah has an uphill policy that in the past two years I’ve taken advantage of. Its becoming quite popular to skin up near Clayton peak away from the lighted runs for a few laps, then head to the bar afterward for some after-work-after-ski-beers. Every two weeks there’s an informal skimo race as well that fills the bar with spandex and carbon fiber. Every evening I’m out I see more an more people uphilling.

  53. Tim February 15th, 2013 10:52 pm

    What resorts have hardcore “no uphill” policies? I’m aware that Jackson is one, possibly Taos based on one of the comments.. Where else?

    Seems like most resorts are pretty casual and reasonable about it, even if they don’t have formalized routes, staffed transition stations and published USFS-sanctioned rules inclusive of your dog’s unfettered companionship.

  54. Mark Worley February 16th, 2013 6:00 am

    Embarrassing how few resorts even responded. And to think that Jackson Hole’s policy is so draconian. Do they not remember a certain Doug Coombs whom they banned from the resort for skiing beyond their boundaries, and later he became the poster boy for open boundaries? Perhaps this is somewhat different, but with the growth of uphilling, and the lifestyle nature of many of JHMR’s clients, they might want to reconsider. It will happen. I say bravo to Crested Butte. Well done.

  55. Thomas February 16th, 2013 2:25 pm

    Dawn patrol in steamboat. A 2200 foot skin to the top of the gondola or 3500 to the summit. Chat the whole way up w friends our blow yourself up. Sunrise over the yampa valley then untracked corduroy or last nights fresh. Off the mountain before 7:30.
    Evening patrol. Skin to the gondola thurs-sun evening and head in for an app and a cocktail and maybe music (after you can download cause not everyone loves skiing w headlamps or after a few drinks). And w daylight savings around the corner happy hour skins w a beverage at the top while watching the sun go down. Then the game is on w the cats cause arcing turns in freshly groomed mash potatoes is glorious.

  56. Lou Dawson February 16th, 2013 3:14 pm

    Thomas, sounds like you guys get it!

  57. Joseph Szasz February 19th, 2013 6:32 pm

    After years of getting yelled at by the Lookout Pass Ski Patrol, it’s nice to be here in Vail where i can pretty much climb uphill at the resort as much as I want.

  58. Chill February 20th, 2013 4:33 am

    What? No Funnel uphill?

  59. John Norton February 20th, 2013 2:23 pm

    There’s another reason why. When we started skinning up Crested Butte Mountain, our group had members that had to be at work around 8am or 8:30. So we’re in the dark for much of the year after a 6:45am start. It’s tough (though not impossible) to get a quick backcountry run in at that time of day.

    Public thanks to CBMR for continuing to allow dogs.

  60. Joe Risi February 27th, 2013 10:39 pm

    A very large thank you to all that have commented thus far. I have updated the list to include your notes and links.

    I appreciate all the input very much!

  61. Lou Dawson February 28th, 2013 5:50 am

    Nice job Joe, thanks. Too bad so many places were so difficult to communicate with. Some seem to need a refresher in PR and Marketing 101. Hopefully we can keep improving the list.

  62. Richard February 28th, 2013 12:22 pm

    Sorry, but still trying to get my head around why on earth people would want to skin up a ski run.

  63. Lou Dawson February 28th, 2013 2:37 pm

    I’d say at this point, if you don’t understand, just let it go. Some things in life are better left as mysteries. Lou

  64. Chads Brackelsberg March 13th, 2013 8:57 am

    The USSMA started putting together an uphill list in November and it is published to our website (http://www.ussma.org/resort-uphill-policies). We continue to update this list as we get more information from resorts and fellow skiers. This list has been an ongoing effort for several months by a large number of people. We would like to keep this list up to date so if anyone has updates to resorts, please email us from the contact page (http://www.ussma.org/contact) using the website category.

  65. Jesse November 7th, 2013 1:15 pm

    Wolf Creek Pass – Their official policy is to allow skinning during lift operating hours. There seems no restriction on where you do it.

  66. Joe Risi November 7th, 2013 3:14 pm

    thanks Jesse I will update

  67. Greg November 27th, 2013 1:16 pm

    Interesting development:

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24603957/ski-resorts-may-be-allowed-charge-uphill-fee

    Basically, resorts back East are looking to be able to charge fees to folks who want to skin up their runs. Resorts in Colorado aren’t looking to charge yet, but it does open the door.

  68. Greg November 27th, 2013 1:21 pm

    And here’s the proposal:

    https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/10/02/2013-23998/proposed-directive-for-additional-seasonal-or-year-round-recreation-activities-at-ski-areas#h-18

    And the text:
    ——
    Proposed Paragraph 5

    The text regarding utilization of existing facilities included in this paragraph would be relocated to FSM 2343.14. New paragraph 5 would preclude authorization of an entrance fee at ski areas, and would allow authorization of fees for facilities and services the holders provide, such as lifts, parking lots, and slopes and trails that have been cleared, graded, groomed or covered with manmade snow. Additionally, this paragraph would encourage authorized officers to ensure that some portions of the permit area remain open to the public without charge, so that the holder’s charges do not constitute de facto entrance fees.
    ——
    So, they’re charging for use of their facilities (including groomed runs), not for access. But they are ‘encouraged’ to keep some portion fee-free so that it doesn’t end up being a de facto entrance fee. Hmmm.

  69. YAY SNOW! April 2nd, 2014 10:22 am

    Sugar bowl and alpine meadows could definitely be updated.

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