Dynafit Announces New Boots for 2012/13

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Vulcan backcountry skiing boot by Dynafit.

Vulcan backcountry skiing boot by Dynafit promises an ever better performance/mass ratio.

As predicted here some time ago, Dynafit has taken the TLT-5 form factor and created two new series of boots with similar lack of mass and nimble performance, while eliminating the metatarsal flex feature. The new series are the “One,” more price and touring oriented, and the “Free Touring,” which comprises the Vulcan and Mercury as detailed below.

As far as I can tell, the ethos of “free touring” places as much emphasis on the up as on the down. Yet nearly any other boot in the Dynafit ramuda of plastic horses will work for whatever combo of human power and turn arc you care to invoke.

Thus, shopping Dynafit boots could be a challenge. If your brain flops when considering all this, what I’d do is this: If you want the ultimate mix of efficiency and downhill control, still consider TLT-5 with user modification riveted metatarsal flex. For the top in downhill performance combined with efficiency, consider the “Free Touring” Vulcan & Mercury. Racers already know where they want to go, and if you want more conventional boots, look at the Zzero and Titan options as in the past.

Regarding the new ONE line, Free Touring line, and user mods: Basically, you sacrifice a mere snowflake of flat touring comfort not having the flex, while at the same time trimming mass and enhancing downhill performance (no sag, no bounce, stiffer with no weight penalty). Rando racers have discovered that metatarsal boot flex is overrated — many are now using non-flex boots. Trust me, no-flex will work fine for you as well. And if you’re still a flex fan, don’t despair as Dynafit will still sell their popular TLT-5 series (that’s what I was told, anyway, and I’ll check to see for sure).

More, as hyped by Dynafit, their king of the new boot lines, Vulcan, has design influence from pro Eric ‘Hoji’ Hjorleifson (regarded as one of the best skiers in the world).

To be clear, this is not a cloning of the low volume TLT-5 type of boot, but rather something in volume between Dynafit’s TLT-5, and the Zzero line (all but one of the 3 buckle Zzeros will go away, while the 4 buckle versions will remain.

Features common to the new ONE and Free Touring lines:
- Ultra-Lock (top buckle both closes shell and latches for downhill.
- Double pivot upper buckle stows trimmer to boot than that of TLT-5, less chance of catching on rocks, fits better under pants.
- Stiff and high rear spoiler.
- Additional third buckle over forefoot, for those who just can’t mentally cope with the lack of a buckle down there (can easily be removed.)
- All liners thermoform.
- All liners have optional lace anchors.
- Terrific cuff rotation (claimed as 60 degrees.)
- Lean lock options 15 & 18 degrees (2 degrees less and one more than original TLT-5).
- Shell insulation (high density insulation molded into shell sole)
- All the One series shoes feature a removable tongue similar to that of the TLT-5, but with a bit of added velcro that makes it easier to integrate with your power strap.
- Short & rockered sole for easy walking even without flex.
- Sole works in standard “frame” touring bindings as well as tech.

Vulcan TF (pictured above) is the top of the line, weight 1590 grams (size 27.5), even has a color that won’t inspire North American skiers to paint it darker. Incredibly stiff, perhaps the stiffest boot I’ve ever carpet tested. Official coolaid follows, lightly edited for brevity and clarity:

“Dynafit and professional skier Eric Hjorleifson proudly present a completely new way of thinking about AT boots. The new Free-Touring Vulcan combines big mountain performance with half the weight. Following in the footsteps of the TLT-5 Performance, Vulcan can drive the fattest ski, and climb the highest peak while creating an optimal fit for pillow lines, high speed arcs, or stomping that perfect backcountry hit. With a customizable forward stiffness due to removable shell tongue, 60° walk-ability, and the patented TLT-5 technologies.”

Color: Green/Carbon
Shell: Grilamid®
Cuff: Carbon Fibre / Grilamid®
Weight: 1590 g (size 27.5)
Sizes: 25 – 30.5 + 1/2 sizes

Dynafit One series lean lock.

The angle adjustable lean lock is elegant. With an offset hole, you just undo the screws and flip the alu, thus setting for more or less. These will be available for swap in existing TLT-5 boots, next season.

Dynafit One series boots for backcountry skiing.

Here is something miraculous. Dynafit finally has seen the efficacy of locating the middle buckle more in line with the boot pivot point, and compressing more over the instep so as to help with heel hold-down. With my foot shape I find this feature essential, and have spent hours over the years modifying boots that don't have it. I guess miracles happen. Now, for that cuff alignment rivet? Shucks, no existe, I guess Hoji doesn't need it.

One and Free Touring double pivot buckle for ski mountaineering.

One of the most comfort enhancing features of the new boots is a double pivot upper buckle that folds closer to the shell when open, so you don't have the big rock catcher pants hacker of the TLT-5. What's amusing is the amount of energy Dynafit spent last year telling us that the buckle sticking out from the TLT-5 cuff wasn't a problem. Oh well, pity those marketing guys and the stories they have to repeat over and over again only to see their point totally obviated by their own company. Redeeming factor: the way this buckle works is mechanical genius -- and it can still be modified to semi-close.

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Mercury backcountry skiing and ski touring boot by Dynafit.

Mercury backcountry skiing boot.


Mercury attempts to offer near the performance of the Vulcan, at an easier MSRP. In Dynafit’s words:

“Mercury is the little brother of the new Vulcan backcountry skiing boot, and offers the same top skiing performance. The Mercury has the ability of drive any ski, at any speed, with a custom forward stiffness, and the perfect heel retention for today’s Free-Touring fanatic. This is combined with the walk-ability, the lightness and the patented technologies which made Dynafit’s TLT-5 so popular among the best skiers in the world. The Mercury implements new technology in its cuff construction – a Fiberglass reinforced TPU rear with a Pebax front.

Color: White/Black
Shell: Grilamid®
Cuff: Fiberglass reinforced Grilamid®
Weight: 1600 g (size 27.5)
Sizes: 25 – 30.5 + 1/2 sizes

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Dynafit One backcountry skiing boot.

Dynafit One backcountry skiing boot.

One PX backcountry skiing boot appears to be a more affordable version of the line, with a full Pebax shell, yet is still targeted at the performance touring market.

Dynafit’s description: “First, TLT-5. Now, ONE. The ONE combines the TLT-5 concept with added comfort, ease, warmth, height and increased support. The ONE PX is the perfect choice for all ski tourers looking for the lightest and best performing boot in the backcountry. The ONE PX is loaded with unique features including the Ultra lock buckle system, a short and rockered sole, and a central buckle system for maximum heel retention and superior downhill performances. The ONE PX offers a newly developed TF – Thermoformable liner.”

Color: White/Orange
Shell and cuff: Pebax
Weight: 1490 g (size 27.5)
Sizes: 25 – 30.5 + 1/2 sizes
Bindings: Dynafit Quick Step-In, Standard Touring

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Dynafit One womens model backcountry skiing boots.

Dynafit One women's model backcountry skiing boots.

One PX Women’s version has a lower and wider cuff shape that’s more suitable for the average women’s leg. Sizing goes down to 22.5 (meaning it could be made to work down to 22 or a bit smaller.) Other than above, it’s the same boot as the male version.

Color: White/Fiji Blue
Weight: 1300 g (size 25,5)
Sizes: 22,5 – 27.5 + 1/2 sizes

Comments

160 Responses to “Dynafit Announces New Boots for 2012/13”

  1. Pablo January 11th, 2012 7:00 am

    mmmmm vulcaaaaaaaaaannnnnn……… arf, arf!

  2. ted January 11th, 2012 7:23 am

    How does the fit compare to TLT5 – same last? Since you are there can you ask if the Evo is also the same last as the TLT5? Thanks Lou, hope you are feeling better.

  3. George January 11th, 2012 7:32 am

    Is the vulcan lighter, or just beefier?

  4. greg January 11th, 2012 8:27 am

    These boots look like the future. A blend of walkability of the tlt5 with the charging strength of the Titan. The Vulcan is the beefiest of the bunch. I cannot wait to test these babies out!!

  5. Pablo January 11th, 2012 8:52 am

    me too Greg!
    I agree with you, it’s the future now (well, next season….)

    The new and trully Green Machine!

  6. Eric Steig January 11th, 2012 9:03 am

    This is all great but a bit overstated. 1600 g is not ‘half the weight’ — as the PR says — of comparable free ride boots, unless those are ‘per pair’ weights!

    I hope they keep the TLT5 Performance available.

  7. Bob January 11th, 2012 9:18 am

    I assume these have the removable tongues like the TLT5. That is the only negative I can see with them. Who wants to deal with that?

  8. Jason January 11th, 2012 9:27 am

    The Vulcan looks niiiiiice. I need something other than these BDel Factors… Sheesh

  9. Mike January 11th, 2012 9:43 am

    What’s the difference between the Vulcan and the Mercury? It says the Mercury is cheaper and has the same skiing performance, but it’s only 10g heavier. The ONE is lighter, so I assume significantly softer since it’s supposed to be “affordable.” Any ideas on MSRP, and how stiff they each are compared to TLT5P, Titan, etc.?

  10. Joe January 11th, 2012 9:50 am

    Hey Lou – Is it just me or are the weights going up? The existing TLT at 27.5 is how many grams? vs. The most comparable of the new boots? I am surprised there is no sub 1000 gram boot given pressure from Sportiva and others. In your earlier review – http://www.wildsnow.com/2446/dynafit-gear-review/ – you had the TLT5 at 1125 grams in non-Carbon. The PX seems closest and it is 1490 grams.

    Straighten me out if I have me facts wrong.

    Joe

    PS No pastries to guess at yeton the Euro tour? Wildsnow gone gluten free?

  11. snowbot January 11th, 2012 10:02 am

    +1 to Ted’s question above – same last? fit? I’m not in TLT 5s because of the narrow forefoot – and the difficulty punching it out with 2 kinds of plastic in that area.

  12. Pablo January 11th, 2012 10:08 am

    Well guys, The vulcan it’s not a rando race design like TLT 5′s.
    Its something nearest to the Titan Carbon, but with a greatly improved walkability.
    Imagine a boot that walks as easily as a TLT 5 and drives your skis like a Titan Carbon or a BD Factor, and with the comfort and weight of a Zzero4 C: that´s a Vulcan!

    Main difference between Vulcan and Mercury is stifness. and it,s all from Carbon cuff Vs Fiberglas reinforcement.

    The One is going to be the substitute os the Zzero4 PX. Similar weight, much better walkability and easier use of Walk-ski mode.

  13. gillesleskieur January 11th, 2012 10:13 am

    Fit is in between zero and tlt5.
    I would nt take the 3 rd buckle out (in fact i should write “i did not” to be exact.)
    Removable tongue is one of the feature and thats why it walk so nice.
    Stiffness is crazy, i ski 189cm pontoons with them, pure joy!

  14. Bob Perlmutter January 11th, 2012 10:43 am

    Hi Lou, glad to see you are enjoying some powder skiing. In a further attempt to create a basis of comparison between the new boots and the TLT5 series, does Dynafit offer any flex ratings for both the Vulcan series vs. the TLT5 series? Of course we know these numbers are only relative to Dynafit boots. Also for example, what are the corresponding BSL for a 27 Vulcan vs. a 27 TLT5(297mm)? It looks like I had better keep my old boots going for the remainder of this season even if it means duct tape and bailing wire as there is no point in making an investment now given all of the new offerings from Garmont and Dynafit.

  15. Philip Maynard January 11th, 2012 10:43 am

    Joe -

    This is by no means the full lineup. They still have the Dy.N.A Evo at 690 grams for rando racers, and the TLT-5 in the middle.

  16. Greg Louie January 11th, 2012 10:54 am

    Thanks for the breaking news, Lou.

    Wish they’d made the shell of the Vulcan white/black/grey and all the different bolt-on pieces different colors like Hoji’s garage boots . . . that said, it looks like I’ll be cutting holes in the backs of my hardshell pants next year, too!

  17. Joe January 11th, 2012 11:07 am

    Thanks Phil. After hitting send I concluded that might be the case. Thanks for the tune up.

    Joe

  18. Mike January 11th, 2012 11:16 am

    So nothing for people who wanted a TLT5P without the stupid mini-bellows…is that in the works for 2013/14?

  19. Kirk Turner January 11th, 2012 11:40 am

    So stokeddddddd! Anyone in the market for some lightly used 27.5 titans in the spring? :)

  20. Lou January 11th, 2012 12:56 pm

    Fede already asked me if I was ready to start modifying. I think the first hack will be to remove the vestigial buckle. Am wondering what it will take to make them as light as a TLT 5, probably won’t be that tough.

  21. Dan January 11th, 2012 1:48 pm

    Lou, do you know whether or not the gnomes at Dynafit have beefed up the chincy cuff rivets in the TLT5 or any of the new boots?

  22. dlv January 11th, 2012 2:15 pm

    1600 grams for a pair or per boot? Maestrale is listed at 1516 grams. Maestrale is still the awesomeist (especially because I just bought a pair and the orange glows daylight on a pre-dawn skin track).

  23. Chris Beh January 11th, 2012 7:04 pm

    Seems a real shame they haven’t tweaked the TLT5 by ditching its flex and making it a bit wider up front. Throw in solid cuff bushings and the boot would be near perfect. I can’t use the boot it’s so narrow. The boots above are a nice evolution of the beef line. But I want a rigid, sub 4 pound/pair of boots…that don’t need the liner replaced, eithe,r because the stock one is thin and cheap.

  24. Chris January 11th, 2012 7:53 pm

    Don’t mean to talk trash, but I’m almost embarassed for Garmont after reading these posts on new boot offerings for next season. The Cosmos and Orbit are in the same weight class as these new Dynafit boots, but I’d bet my TLT5s that the Dynafit models are both stiffer and tour better. Garmont seems a year or two behind in their designs…which is apparent in their new boots similarity to the Maestrale. BUT … I know for fit purposes more choices are better. And I’m told there are some people who don’t want to spend $1000 on boots :-)

  25. Philip Maynard January 11th, 2012 8:11 pm

    Chris -

    Try on an Alien. No flex, and probably wider.

    I wouldn’t mind ditching the flex, although I hike and climb in mine a lot, and it helps there.

    The TLT-5 last is perfect for me! If they ever change it I’m going to have to baby mine so they last (hehe) forever. Without that snug fit I’d never be able to drive big skis hard with such a light and soft boot.

    It’s great to see all these companies in the fray – hopefully there will be a boot like the Dy.N.A, TLT-5, and Maestrale for every shape of foot now.

    So, is the ZZero dead? Seems like it should be, given these offerings.

  26. Bob January 11th, 2012 8:25 pm

    So where does the extra weight come from, comparing Vulcan with the TLT5-P (1590 g vs. 1050 g). Certainly the extra buckle is some of it, but they cannot be 540 g. Thus it must be in extra plastic/carbon or liner? The TLT5-P seemed quite stiff when I tried them on (store flex only), so I am surprised these need so much extra mass. What am I missing?

    Even so, I think this is the boot I want, moving up from 2 year old ZZeus.

  27. Greg January 11th, 2012 9:33 pm

    These boots all appear to have higher cuffs and thicker liners than the TLT5-P, which could easily account for the remaining additional weight.

    Honestly I wish they’d just take the TLT5-P as it is now, add beefier cuff hinges, implement 2 forward lean positions, remove the forefoot flex bellows, and (maybe?) find a way to implement a removable instep buckle. That would be the perfect boot for me.

    Those Vulcans do look sweet though.

  28. pepe January 11th, 2012 11:12 pm

    Lou do you know when vulcan ,mercury will be available for european market?
    next season?hope so..and tell us more about price..more less..
    thanks

  29. Lou January 11th, 2012 11:28 pm

    All available for next season, starting in autumn, the usual deal. They like to release the info just before the trade shows, to create buzz for buyers. I’m a sucker for that but it’s the only schedule that results in me getting this stuff up as early as possible for us all to consider.

  30. Pablo January 12th, 2012 2:55 am

    About weight gain from TLT5 P with downhill booster tonge (1115g at 27,5).

    -Put the Liner of a Titan ultralight and gain 110g
    - The extra bucke adds about 50g.
    -They are AT binding compatible, not like TLT5 (only TLT compatible) so add some plastic and Rubber to the sole aprox 100g more
    - add some height to the cuf and gain 50g ,more
    - add some thick to the shell and gain 50g more
    - add a wider powerstrap and add 50g more…

    1115+110+50+100+50+50+50=1525g

    Thius is just an aproximation, but it,s no so difficult to gain weight with some little extra features.

    And for those who thinck that quit the flex would make a lighter boot… this is true if you hava a non tonge sistem like the DYNA’s but if you want a removable tonge to have both good performance in ascent and descent you need the plastic Gap to insert the tonge so the weight will be almost the same…Think about it.

    Excuse my bad english

  31. JCoates January 12th, 2012 4:36 am

    Kudos to you Pablo and the rest of the design team there at Dynafit. As much as us Americans whine, in reality Dynafit is totally leading the way with regards to advances in touring design. Really the best brand going for the whole “touring package” when you consider the advances in boots, skis, and equipment in the last 5 years. Thanks!! Now you just need to talk to the guys about those karma magnets :)

  32. JCoates January 12th, 2012 4:41 am

    And Pablo, no need to worry about your English. We are Wildsnow’ers…we can barely speak English ourselves :)

  33. David Gerrard January 12th, 2012 5:31 am

    Am interested in why TLT5′s aren’t (considered) AT binding compatable. Apart perhaps from the lack of logic in skiing a superlight boot with a heavy binding, my better half has been skiing her TLT5s with Fritschi’s enough for any obvious problem (like pre-release) to become evident. (Don’t worry – the light has now been seen and immenant conversion to a suitable binding is expected). Are we talking compatability when skiing “with vigour” or “at all”.

    Thanks

  34. Lou January 12th, 2012 6:07 am

    Jcoats, and sometimes I can barley writ it! (grn) Lou

  35. Lou January 12th, 2012 6:12 am

    MSRPs:

    Vulcan $999
    Mercury $799
    One $639
    One PU $569

  36. Federico January 12th, 2012 6:16 am

    mmm starting now the presentation to the journalists… but lou is always faster ;-) … I’m sure he will give you more info after I finished presenting the lines..

  37. Lou January 12th, 2012 6:19 am

    Sitting here with Fede, getting clear on what’s different about these boots. Important to note the lasting of these boots is in between TLT5 and Zero series. The idea is they have a bit more volume than TLT5 so the liner has more thickness.

    In terms of weight, several things add weight, for example the compatible sole is a bit more plastic, the slightly larger shell is a bit more plastic, and in turn the liner is a bit heavier. Those of use spoiled by TLT5 have to realize that if we want more volume/warmth/fit as well as slightly thicker plastic for stiffness, we’ll pay with weight. How much weight and what can be eliminated with mods, now that’s the question (grin). Lou

  38. Sofia January 12th, 2012 7:21 am

    Wow these are some niice boots!! Haven’t seen them available in Europe yet, hopefully next season at least..!

  39. Mike January 12th, 2012 8:38 am

    “One $639
    One PU $569″

    Which is the one described in the post, weighing 1490g?

  40. Lou January 12th, 2012 9:55 am

    The One is described in the post. One PU is not in the post, it’s a real price-point boot and I’m not sure it’ll be in the U.S., but what’s cool about it is it has all the features of the more expensive boots.

  41. Federico January 12th, 2012 9:59 am

    ONE U will be available as well in north america.

  42. Justin January 12th, 2012 10:16 am

    Vulcan looks awesome, I will almost assuredly own a pair. Man, I’m a gear geek. I’m guess the boot sole length on these will be more traditional like the zzeros (around 295 or so for a 26) compared to the really short TLT BSL, is that right?

  43. Lou January 12th, 2012 10:19 am

    Thanks Fede.

    So, for those of you shopping for boots next year in the US, the PU version will be a good consideration for folks on a tighter budget.

  44. Lou January 12th, 2012 10:54 am

    I just added a photo of the new angle-adjustable lean lock plate. Nice.

  45. Pasi January 12th, 2012 11:49 am

    Hi, this looks very interesting!
    So, what’s your initial impression on how the Vulcan would compare to zzero 3 (px or c)? Height, stiffness?

  46. Chris M. January 12th, 2012 2:15 pm

    Is by chance the adjustable lean lock available in North America as a separate piece? If so, will it work for the TLT5P and when would it be available. It would be nice to be able to buy these instead of making them. Sorry, someone had to ask.

  47. cdub January 12th, 2012 5:01 pm

    does anyone else not think that $999 is getting a bit crazy?

    i thought the titans were expensive.

  48. Philip Maynard January 12th, 2012 6:09 pm

    Eh, performance is increasing faster than cost.

    Vs the Titan UL, the Vulcan is:

    11oz lighter per pair
    Stiffer
    2x the cuff rotation

    That’s pretty worth the $100 to me. Just wait until the Vulcan comes out and snag the Titan on clearance if it’s not worth it for your needs – it sounds like a lot of boots will get closed out this off-season!

  49. Craig January 12th, 2012 6:26 pm

    Will the new angle adjustment lean lock plate be available for modifying the TLT5? It would be nice to use the stock plate as a replacement alternative for a more upright stance.

    Saw these boots at a regional rep show last week and they are sweet! This segment is a big focus by the manufacturers with Scarpa, Garmont, Dynafit, La Sportiva and Crispi all having entries into the market. The most appealing were still the Dynafit boots.

  50. Mark January 12th, 2012 7:24 pm

    Yeah, I also think the prices are becoming pretty nutty.

  51. Lou January 13th, 2012 12:02 am

    Yeah, the more conventional sole results in a longer boot that’ll have slightly less of the stride ergonomics offered by a short soled boot such as TLT5. One thing to remember is that by riveting the metatarsal flex on the TLT5 and using the optional tounge, you can end up with a shorter, lighter boot that has plenty of downhill performance. More, don’t forget the One model in the One series, which actually might be the sweet spot for many folks.

    Dynafit’s ski ‘running’ and racing boots are also an option. They’ll have a boot called a DyNA PDG (gad, these names, I’m going to shoot myself) that’s a DyNa race boot with a stiff fiberglass cuff that’s just slightly heavier than carbon but about the same stiffness. If you want a boot for the ultimate in uphill efficiency or for the pleasure of fitness uphilling at a resort, that could be a terrific option that has the shorter sole so feels super nice in the stride.

    Also remember that all the 4-buckle Zero series boots will still be available, as will the “Freeride Touring” category boots of the Titan series.

    It’s stunning the company can sustain such a huge line of tech compatible ski touring boots. One the other hand, when you consider that the entire backcountry skiing boot market is somewhere around 180,000 or more boot pairs a year (according to Dynafit and some other numbers I’ve seen), and that Dynafit has just under half that with Scarpa selling just under half on the other half (Garmont makes up the other biggest chunk of the pie, with BD in there as well), one can see that enough sales potential exists to keep things going. And, the segment continues to grow.

  52. Lou January 13th, 2012 3:07 am

    Speaking of prices, the ski equipment companies will keep coming up with more expensive and featured gear till they reach a limit in what folks will buy. That hasn’t happened yet. They sell tens of thousands of the TLT5 models, for example.

  53. stephen January 13th, 2012 4:44 am

    Hmmm. Heavier, wider, taller and presumably stiffer in forward flex than the TLT5. All bad for me, and I’m thinking the metatarsal flex is good for a a lot of what I do, so I guess I’d better buy a pair of the latter while they’re still available.

    I’m sure they’ll sell zillions of the Spocks, but please Dynafit don’t drop the lighter touring boots. Thank you.

  54. scottyb January 13th, 2012 5:09 am

    Now with more flekstunga!

  55. Federico January 13th, 2012 7:31 am

    Stephen, TLT5 or our lighter boots will never be dropped out! the vulcan is just another category of product designed for a different purpose.
    They are ment to be used on very wide skis and from high level skiers. Offering still the best weight and range of motion by fare compared with the performance they offer.
    The TLT5 line is made for the “more climbing oriented” skiers… therfore it has the metatarsal flex, it’s much lighter, has a shorter sole and so on.
    Great product but not enough for all those complaining about the metatarsal flex, the fact that it works only with dynafit bindings and those who feels it not stiff enough for their kind of style/gears….
    Those will like more the vulcan…

    As regards prices… Vulcan is a super premium product… with the most expensive materials available and with the highest possible performances. therefore expensive…
    The Mercury is the same boot but with fiberglass reinforced cuff is more affordable 799 and is still skiing better than our Titan… compared to that it’s lighter and of course much better for climbing. So a full new generation of boots with different price points and performances but both at the top. So you can chose in base of your pocket as well.

    For those who asked… the new internal spoiler for TLT5 will be available around september. it will be possible to retro fit all TLT5 and the part can be changed at home by anybody, super easy. I can estimate the spoiler kit will cost around 30-40$ maximum.

  56. Phil M January 13th, 2012 8:34 am

    Fede, that’s great news! As evidenced by the content of this site, we as a community love to modify and tweak our gear. The more modular and Lego-like your line, the better!

    In particular, allowing retrofit of new features onto previous-year’s models makes for happy customers, and takes some of the fear out of being an early-adopter. Nobody wants to drop $1k on boots to find out that they are missing out on cool new features.

  57. stewspooner January 13th, 2012 10:11 am

    I’m excited about the Vulcans, lighter and easier walking is good, but especially hoping for better heel hold than my Titans, so I’m concerned how much and where the volume has been added from the (perfectly narrow) TLT5 last. Also, I find it so wasteful (and expensive) to have to purchase liners when I (and many others) are going to put Intuition liners into the shells. Any clarification on the fit compared to the Titan would appreciated, and can you suggest (to Dynafit) that there be an option to purchase the shell only?

  58. Jordo January 13th, 2012 10:57 am

    Amazing that a company that still makes boots in Italy (I’m assuming they haven’t changed this year) can blow other China-made boots out of the water in selection while also maintaining comparable price points.

  59. Phil M January 13th, 2012 12:06 pm

    So, the 2012/13 lineup is:

    Dy.N.A. (Evo, PDG)
    TLT-5 (Mountain (w), Performance)
    One (Vulcan, Mercury, One PX (w), One PU)
    Zzero4 (Green Machine, C, PX (w), U (w))
    Titan (UL, TF-X, ZZeus, Gaia)

    Do I have that right? So many boots!

  60. Lou January 13th, 2012 2:08 pm

    As far as I know the injection molding is still done in Italy, but you never know for sure.

    Phil, I’ve got the new catalog here on my computer. Quite confusing, but here is how they categorize everything in the boots:

    Dy.N. A. Evo and PDG

    TLT 5 series (3 models)

    One series (all new)

    ZZero (pretty similar to last season, still great)

    Free Touring (all new, this is where they place the Vulcan, Mercury, etc.)

    Freeride Touring (The conventional beef boots, 2 models of Titan.)

    It’s an amazing pile of boots, albeit confusing — and perhaps some day I can get into describing all 13 liner variations — or better, perhaps we’ll be able to peruse that on the Dynafit website… Lou

  61. Lou January 13th, 2012 2:29 pm

    Now with a few moments of time and getting healthier, I added some exposition to the post above (a few photos and some edits.)

    For shopping clarity, important to know that Dynafit has divided the new boots above into two different categories: “One,” and “Free Touring.” A bit confusing in my opinion, but that’s their deal so we have to go with it and try to explain it. See above for my efforts to do so. Lou

  62. Jesse January 13th, 2012 2:33 pm

    What changes are in the works for the TLT5? Looks like they get adjustable lean added (which can be added to this years boots aftermarket) and keep the flex zone in the metatarsals. Is that right? Any bushings added to the pivots?

  63. Tim January 13th, 2012 2:44 pm

    Also any chance those double pivot top buckles would be available separate to replace the current tlt5 buckle?

  64. stephen January 13th, 2012 2:51 pm

    Federico, thanks for your response. I’d assumed/hoped that what you said was what would hppen, but it’s good to have it confirmed. The various new boots should hopefully be enough to keep everybody happy.

  65. Lou January 13th, 2012 2:58 pm

    Jessie, Fede told me that yes they are addressing the problem of pivot wear in carbon cuffs, but what they’re doing didn’t sound like something that could be added on to older models (it’s molded in). With the number of the current model TLT5-P out in the wild (thousands) a company could easily sell an add-on, since every one of those thousands will eventually need it. Lou

  66. byates1 January 13th, 2012 3:19 pm

    odd you mention that, i was just looking at my tlt 5 p, and although sent back over the summer to redo the pivot wear, they are kinda sloppy. i’ll have to compare them to new ones in the shop, but sounds like an issue.

    to be fair i don’t really notice it when skiing, but you can clearly see the effect of the rivet mashing into the carbon because of the play. nothing is supposed to last forever, i guess..

  67. stephen January 13th, 2012 3:21 pm

    Lou, Federico et al: Is pivot wear an issue with the non-carbon cuffs as used on the current TLT5 Mountain boots, or will they be getting the add-on as well? If they’re okay as is (or not as bad) that will help me decide on which to get.

  68. stephen January 13th, 2012 3:24 pm

    ^ PS to above post: I can see how this might affect only the carbon TLT5s as with carbon soled cycling shoes Speedplay road pedals can end up abrading the sole enough to be a worry. On identical shoes with nylon soles this hasn’t been an issue, but with carbon a thin metal shim is mandated to prevent damage.

  69. John January 13th, 2012 3:44 pm

    Double cants would be a nice addition.

  70. Jonathan Shefftz January 13th, 2012 6:24 pm

    I just love to hear the comment complaining about how the TLT5 combines a close-fitting shell with a liner that foregoes any excess foam (thereby keeping your foot close to the aforementioned close-fitting shell).
    Please Dynafit, keep up the good work with the shell slim and the liner thin!

  71. Sam F January 13th, 2012 7:14 pm

    Any thoughts on the PU one, as far stiffness. Im thinking with a dallbello gold liner that could be a burly boot.

  72. Sam F January 13th, 2012 7:19 pm

    Ive found that on a lot of these higher end rando boots , it’s not stiffness so much as smooth progression that really lacking

  73. Lou January 13th, 2012 11:35 pm

    Sam, totally true. Once they eliminate a bunch of plastic and machine parts, you’re left with two choices: either lock everything together or let everything move. So they do one on the down, and one on the up.

  74. Henri Chinasque January 14th, 2012 12:58 am

    @Sam and Lou

    Gignoux has gotten around this with his elastomer lever/lock.
    http://www.pierregignoux.fr/GB/Leviers.php

  75. Bob January 14th, 2012 8:23 am

    Anyone else notice that this years ZZeus (the gray/yellow one) is lighter and softer than the older brown one? By quite a lot. It is really a different boot.

  76. Sam F January 14th, 2012 8:26 am

    That certainly is a high tech way of allowing more flex. But if you have a removable tongue, why not make it alot stiffer, and alter the walk mood to were it only locks out on the way back but still allows you to flex forward into a much stiffer tongue.

    I know this doesn’t have to be all that high tech, because my ancient t2s do just that.

  77. Federico January 14th, 2012 11:08 am

    Stephen, the pivot play might occur only on the carbon version… as I try to explain to lou since forever.. that play starts to occour after a tremendouse amount of days of use… I would say 80-100 which most of the skiers does in 3-5 years. The play is totally un-effective on the boot performance unless it became very huge. We got aboou 3-4 pairs returns in total this year with a level of play effective on the boot performances. Those boots were anyway totally finished and destroied after an amount of use which would have killed any other boots in ther market.

    A VERY TOP important point I explained Lou which was never posted… after that kind of use needed to develop some play on the TLT5 P ALL other full plastic boot will have lost a lot their performance.
    I mean… plastic boots after several days of use lose 15-20% of the original characteristic getting softer… the percentage increase more you use them.
    The TLT5 P get that play which is visible… but the stifness and the performance of the boot remains the same or nearly the same thanks to the carbon.
    The difference is that you still have a boot after many days of use which still performs perfectly but peple complains because they see that minimal play…
    On a full plastic boots after the use you have a boot which skis much worse than when it was new… but nobody see or recognize that and therefore nobody complains.

    That’s the hard life of trying to bring out innovative products … anyway somobody finds something to complain.

    ;-)

  78. Lou January 14th, 2012 12:57 pm

    Ah, scolded again for my journalistic shortcomings… yes, Fede does have a point in that the carbon cuff is so super stiff it can have some pivot play with less of an effect on the skier (and could even be beneficial in walk mode, since it gives the cuff some ankle-like articulation).

    On the other hand, my opinion is that this take is just equivocating. A boot this expensive should have some sort of provision in a moving part so it doesn’t wear so fast. Mine are actually quite worn. Fede checked them briefly when I saw him in Germany, but the boots were buckled so it was tough to see how much play they have. Perhaps I should do a video and publish it on Youtube.

    Main thing: If it’s ok to have play, then how much is ok? How is the customer to know if they have enough, or too much? Again, that approach just seems like equivocating. When the carbon cuff is molded, it should have some sort of bushing part molded in that mates with a user serviceable pivot, again in my opinion.

    Lastly, it goes unsaid but I’ll say it. If a company is going to sell a ski boot for more than $1000.00, the boot is going to undergo some scrutiny, and be expected by folks shelling out the cash to have outstanding durability.

  79. Greg Louie January 14th, 2012 6:25 pm

    @Federico/Pablo/Lou:

    What’s the BSL on the 27.5 sample Vulcan? Mercury? (Credo che sia lo stesso, no?)

  80. Cooper January 15th, 2012 11:09 am

    Just bought my 10yr. old daughter a used backcountry set-up. The binding has the comfort toe piece but the heel says tri-step. Was the toe piece changed? Also the heel piece rotates either direction with no stop, is that normal?
    Last question regarding boots. I have found a almost new Nordica TR9 on-line. The boot is Yellow, in the picture it looks like the toe has the Dynafit socket, but I can’t see the heel of the boot. Is this boot Dynafit compatible? She wears a size 25, and is still growing so I can’t but new boots. I hear this is a soft boot and thought that might be a good thing since she is only 10. Also the boot is under $50. Anybody know if this boot will work?
    Thanks.

  81. Matt January 15th, 2012 11:17 am

    Cooper, I have an old pair of TR9′s – they do not have dynafit fittings but rather fittings for a Silveretta binding called the SL

  82. Mark January 15th, 2012 3:41 pm

    Yeah, I have a pair of those TR9s kicking around. I really doubt they are Dynafit compatible. Mine have the Silvretta fitting on them.

    That boot is both low and soft compared to the current generation. But the ski/walk modes worked fine, and the sole was well rockered and tacky. Seems like it would be great for a youngster in combo with a step in binding. It did always seem like a PIA boot to get into for me.

  83. Mark January 15th, 2012 4:22 pm

    Speaking of which, my first pair of AT boots were purple and red Dachsteins. Sort of rear entry style; I can’t really recall the buckle set up, but the instep had sort of a piece of a sphere that the cuff slid over. Anyone else have those? I’d love to see a picture of those things. I paired them with BD Vertiges mounted with Emery High Altitudes. State of the Art stuff.

  84. Jonathan Shefftz January 15th, 2012 6:13 pm

    The Nordica TR series (9, 10, 12) received glowing reviews from various ski industry publications, but was probably one of the worst AT boots ever:
    – Heavy for the ascent.
    – Super-soft for the descent (since the walk/ski switch did nothing to stiffen the forward flex).
    – Never compatible with Dynafit bindings, but some versions were compatible with the ill-fated Silvretta SL (for details, look under Bindings / Binding Museum).
    When I tried these on in the shop, I was really surprised by how bad they were after having read about how good they supposedly were. (The Dachstein rear-entry AT boots also skied really poorly, but at least they were relatively light for the ascent.)

  85. Mark January 15th, 2012 7:01 pm

    “– Super-soft for the descent (since the walk/ski switch did nothing to stiffen the forward flex).”

    Yeah, but as long as you stayed in the backseat there weren’t any problems.

    Now, If you got in the driver’s seat, you could mash lower shell about flat.

    But seriously, in a small size on a ten year old I think they’d be fine.

  86. Lou January 16th, 2012 5:45 am

    My recollection is that there was a Nordica as one time that had tech fittings. I’d say if you can see the toe has them, it’s about a tripple 9 probability that the heel does.

    Trivia: I forgot who it was who made it (Garmont?, Crispi? Scarpa?) but there was an infamous boot that had BOTH the tech fittings and the Silvretta SL fittings. Ridiculous, amusing, and true.

    It’s true the Nordica TRs didn’t ski that well, but in my opinion they were not the disaster Jonathan makes them out to be. Lots of excellent skiers used them to great effect over the years. I never liked them because they fit my low-volume feet like a 10 gallon bucket fits a beer can. I could make them work with about 12 hours of boot fitting tricks, but ran out of time (grin).

    And yes, be careful not to mistake the Silvretta boot fittings for tech fittings.

  87. Jonathan Shefftz January 16th, 2012 7:08 am

    The Raichle Concordia was the other Dynafit licensee (long before the Scarpa Laser became the first … that anyone remembers). Now if only Raichle had added its own Raichle Flexon tongue and its own Raichle Thermoflex liner, then that boot could have kept going and been a viable competitor for awhile.

  88. Federico January 17th, 2012 1:19 am

    Cooper, just one thing to check for the “safety of your kid” … make sure that the boots are not older than 10-15 years… that’s somehow a time limit for plastic boots, especially if they had a long and hard ski touring life. (sun, cold, warm exposure)
    Most of the plastics uses on boots have a degradation time… mean after years from the injection they become more fragile. it might vary from boots to boots with milion of variables but I would never bring my son (even if I don’ have any) in a risky terrain with a boot older than 10 years.
    It might crack and brake without any “advise” …
    If you’re bringign him on easy backcountry don’t worry too much… the maximum that can happen is that he will have to walk down barefoot ;-)
    Ciao

  89. Lou January 17th, 2012 4:56 am

    Fede is absolutely correct. Older plastic ski boots should not be pressed into heavy service where failure of the boot could be dangerous. Keep that in mind when shopping for used gear. Unfortunately there is no firm rule of thumb for this… but in my experience boots up through 5 seasons old have never had a problem, so that’s a start. But even _new_ boots have been known to crack and break, so no guarantees as much of this has to do with voodoo during injection molding process. As always, you get what you pay for…

  90. Cooper January 17th, 2012 7:44 am

    Thanks to all for the advice. Of course you “get what you pay for” but until her grow spurts slow down new boots are out of the question. I only look at boots that have very little use. Also we are talking about taking a 10yr. old out in safe terrain to start teaching backcountry skills. How to climb, pick routes, kick turns, what gear to carry, putting skins on, snow pack evaluation. I have over 35 years of backcountry skiing and huts trips to pass on. All my time has been on tele gear, and thats been my mistake, A/T is lighter and safer. Hoping in a few years to have a trail breaker and hut trip partner.

  91. Jonathan Shefftz January 17th, 2012 7:51 am

    A pair of 23.5 Scarpa Magic boots (albeit with the first-generation non-moldable heavier liners) is currently for sale at only $60. This is actually a pretty decent boot, even by modern standards (especially if you find some lighter liners to slip in). And plenty of other under-$100 deals on the Magic, Laser, TLT4, TLT All Terrain / 700.
    By contrast, skinning up with heavy Nordica boots and some sort of hybrid/plate binding is hard enough for a fit adult male, so I don’t see how it’s going to be much fun for a ten-year-old girl.

  92. Lou January 17th, 2012 7:57 am

    Cooper, sounds like you’ve got the right approach to things. We ran used boots with our son for years, worked fine. But as Jonathan suggests, perhaps get her on something a bit more with the times. Lou

  93. Burras January 17th, 2012 8:30 am

    Will the tounges of this lineup fit the TLT5? Could maybe be a way if one would like to beef up the forward flex of the TLT5?

  94. Skidmark January 17th, 2012 11:11 am

    Lou or Federico, Could you relay the relative stiffness (rating) for the Vulcan, Mercury and One? I feel like if the One is at least 120 it would be perfect for me and my budget. Sure like the Mercury though, but will need to leave the Vulcan for the deep pockets out there. Nice looking boots!

  95. Bob January 17th, 2012 1:38 pm

    I’m also curious as to the BSL for the 27/27.5 (as asked for above).

    Also, curious as to the stiffness but instead of a stiffness number (e.g., 120) why not try to place them along with ZZero, ZZeus (Black/Brown version), Titan UL, TItan.

  96. tV January 17th, 2012 7:39 pm

    Scanning — scanning — scanning. Nope. Qs:

    (1) what is the last size (ie width)

    (2) BSL at 27/27.5

    Frankly, the two most important numbers for fit are missing from the PR. Would be helpful. ;)

    Me, I am hoping BSL is 315 and last is 100. ;p

  97. harpo January 18th, 2012 9:59 am

    I also need to know the BSL for the 27.0 and 26.0.

    Also, it sounds like the One boots including the Vulcan will not have removable DIN/Tech compatable soles, only tech soles?

  98. lc January 19th, 2012 3:12 pm

    Dynafit DyNA PDG boots? I’m really interested to know more about these. From the picture I assume it has the exact same last of the Evo, and Lou mentioned about the stiffness in his comment above, but what is the price point going to be on those bad boys?? I’m starting to save right now for those–they are sure to be expensive!

  99. Jonathan Shefftz January 19th, 2012 4:54 pm

    Since the DyNA PDG is apparently just the Evo but with some sort of fiberglass-reinforced upper cuff instead of cf, take the $1500 Evo price and subtract some sort of econo (relatively speaking!) differential.

  100. Ted January 19th, 2012 7:21 pm

    Is the Evo the same last as they TLT5? Federico?
    It looks lower volume but that may just be the way it’s constructed.

  101. lc January 20th, 2012 10:59 am

    Word on the street (a rep) is $850 MSRP for the PDG boot. Nice!

  102. Federico January 22nd, 2012 4:46 pm

    Ted, the EVO and pdg has a different last then then TLT5 but not lower volume, actually it fits a bit wider and roomier. Just the shell has a different size scale and it looks smaller as the shell is thinner.

  103. Tyler Beck January 23rd, 2012 8:54 am

    Ic,
    I was at the OR show for a few hours on Saturday and was intrigued by the PDG boots as well. I was told by one of the workers that it will retail for $850 but I am sure this could still change.

    Hope this helps.

  104. Rob January 24th, 2012 7:24 am

    I’m a bit confused now. What is the difference between the Titan UL and the new Vulcan? Looks like they are about the same, right? Which one will be better/stiffer downhill? I.e. which one is most focussed on the down?

  105. Lee Lau January 24th, 2012 8:55 am

    Rob – Titan UL

  106. Lou January 24th, 2012 9:05 am

    The other thing about the PDG boot is it’ll perhaps be sold as part of a PDG package that includes the ski and boot, for ‘citizen’ style rando racing or fitness uphilling (fitness skinning). In the Dynafit catalog, it shows a package with backpack, tights, top layer, hat and a Dynafit Low Tech Radical ski binding.

  107. narrow boots January 24th, 2012 9:14 am

    What is the last? same as other dynafit boots? They need to widen their toe box’s

  108. Lou January 24th, 2012 9:20 am

    European lasting has kept US boot fitters in business for years. It will continue to do so in the foreseeable future. But please realize that one last can’t please all of the people all of the time. If it was wider there are people who would dislike… they pick one “ghost last” when they make the molds, and that’s what we’re stuck with. At at least one EU boot company, that ghost last is probably the foot of the son of the son of the son of the company owner… pretty amusing, really, how this all works. Someday, if they sold enough boots, they could make several shell widths, but that would require a massive increase in sales.

  109. awake1563 January 28th, 2012 12:20 am

    Federico – I’m wondering what the cuff height is going to be on the PDG vs the TLT5P. Also, I don’t mind trying sans tongue, but if you could put a single tongue on there, and raise the cuff height a little bit, I would buy these things at full retail (up to $1000 or so) in a heartbeat.

    Basically, I’m looking for an lightweight, but everyday boot like the TLT5P, w/out actiflex (failure point, softer boot, not so much the weight of it), under 1000g, and with a tongue or some sort of built in shield to keep the liners dry, so that it’s still useful for booting in deep snow (a built in upper gaiter would be awesome, ala Lasportiva Trango Prime…)

    Would it be possible to get a tongue & mount similar to the TLT5 to put on the PDG myself?

  110. Lou January 28th, 2012 5:36 am

    Just get a TLT5 and rivet the flex out. Done deal.

  111. Federico February 2nd, 2012 8:07 am

    Awake, no plan for anything you mentioned in the line for many years. PDG is a race boot, TLT5 a ski mountaineering boot. Somewhere too much in between would not work for mass market.
    Ciao
    Fede

  112. gillesleskieur February 2nd, 2012 11:36 pm

    BSL for 27- 27.5 is 304mmm

  113. Steven February 7th, 2012 1:08 pm

    Here is the video review posted by Frederico on Feb. 6 for the Vulcan and Mercury ( I didn’t see a link posted here yet, unless I missed it…).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqAnmg-VtQ

    Cheers!

  114. Tom February 13th, 2012 6:32 am

    Those plastic/ high density tabs on the sole to increase ‘power transmission’ are supposedly patented by Glen Pake/ Dalbello, i really like the premise, i hope they manage to get them on both production models. He mentions it in this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_v-F-t0OAk

  115. Federico February 13th, 2012 10:33 am

    The “tabs” on the outsole of Vulcan and Mercury for safety/performance reasons has been changed to a higher density of rubber. The initial testing we did on our models told us that the first version (plastic) was slippery/dangerouse on mountaineering/rocks and were abrading very quickly, therefore we changed into higher density rubber. Very similar energy transmission to the freeride bindings and better durabiliy/grip.

  116. ewa February 27th, 2012 4:29 am

    @Federico, what is the approximate weight of DyNA evo pdg?

  117. Federico February 27th, 2012 5:28 am

    ewa, EVO 690gr in size 27 +/- a few grams
    PDG 790gr in sinze 27 +/- a few grams

  118. ellen February 27th, 2012 8:31 am

    Hey Federico – We talked at Amazing Grace in Breck last summer and you insisted I get the TLT 5′s since I was trashing my Gaias using them as a ski mountaineering spring boot.

    Anyway – I did what you told me. LOVE LOVE the TLT 5′s… except they don’t do so well on fat (102 waist)skis in not so deep powder days – five inches or less…And the Gaias now seem so heavy.

    So which of those boots – Ones or Mercurys or Vulcans will be better suited for driving a fat 105 waist ski?

  119. harpo February 27th, 2012 9:21 am

    Ellen, do you have the TLT5 Mountain or TLT5 Performance? My Performance did great last season in firm spring conditions with a 95mm ski.

  120. Justin February 27th, 2012 9:24 am

    Hey Lou, did you guys get any of the new boots for testing yet?

  121. harpo February 27th, 2012 9:25 am

    Hi Ellen, I just realized that (I think) the women’s TLT5 is only available in a model that corresponds to the men’s Mountain version.

  122. Dan February 27th, 2012 9:43 am

    Federico, I have a somewhat lame question about how to “store” the TLT5Ps. The shop did not have a good answer. I love these boots and want to take care of them properly. So, what is the best way to leave the shells overnight (when drying liners) and is there a preferred way to store them for long periods (several days to several months)? Thanks in advance for your time.

  123. ellen February 27th, 2012 10:21 am

    Harpo – I have the TLT mountain and they work okay for my 95 ski as well, but I’m talking a 105 waist ski (G3 Hombres or if I’m lucky the Volkl Nunataqs). The forward flex on the performance certainly seems stiffer, but it’s more the torsional stiffness I guess that I need for that wider platform. FYI – I can wear men’s boots since I’m a size 26.

  124. Federico February 27th, 2012 10:49 am

    Ellen… of course I remember!! hope to get back @ amazing grace soon, I love that place!!!!!!!!!!
    If you like the lightness, walkability and co. from the TLT5 you should move to the Performance version. I would say for a girl your size/weight is more then stiff enough with any kind of ski. I just made a special make up TLT5 women’s with carbon cuff for my girfriend .. (ex austrian pro alpine skier) and she loves them… and believe me she’s an extremely rare good skier.

    The Vulcan/mercury platform is surely the next level in terms of ski performance versus the TLT5 and it will be by far the best walkable freeride boot line in the market… but surely it’s not a TLT5 in terms of lightness/walkability.

    Hope I’ve been of help.
    ciao

  125. Federico February 27th, 2012 10:54 am

    Dan, the best way is to store the boots wiht buckles closed gently and liners inside (once dry of course). so that the plastic around the cuff doesn’t get deformed staying open.
    For long periods better to keep them in the box inside transparent or white plastic bags. This because light and coloured bags or carton itself might variate the shell colour. Morover better in a dry place as all plastics absorb humidity and after long periods (years) the peformance might decrease quicker than normal.
    For the rest… unfortunately boots doesn’t last forever.
    I would say for intensive use… 60 days or plus per year about 2/3 seasons max.. and in general after 5 years would be better to change them… I don’t say that to sell more boots but it’s a matter of safety … what is very important on ski mountaineering.

  126. Dan February 27th, 2012 11:41 am

    Federico, Thanks for the information and your fast reply.

  127. rob mcleod March 5th, 2012 12:25 pm

    Hi Lou

    I’m in the market for pair of tlt5 performance boots. At the sizing decision point. Current boots are Scarpa F3 (size 28.5 = US size 11.5, by BD sizing, 28.5 and 29 have same shell, BSL 323mm), have done considerable punching of these boots, in toebox, widening in ball of foot area, and also around where the inside of big ankle bone hits the shell. This is tricky punch out area because I’ve punched both the bottom part of shell and the cuff, without trying to impact the cuff movement for walking.

    In tlt5, i’ve got both the 29 and 30 shells and i’m trying to decide which size to buy.
    BSL 29 = 317
    BSL 30 = 327.
    I understand that the tlt5 is a narrow boot and i have slightly wide forefoot, hence the toebox punching in the F3. In trying on both the tlt5 29 and 30, the 30 out of the box seems to offer more toebox room but still suspect i’ll have to punch a little. Length of both boots appears to be fine, no obvious problem hitting front of toes on boot.
    2 questions:
    1. I’m a little nervous getting tlt5 30, i’ve never had a size 12 ski boot before. Doing a shell fit, the 29 is about 2 fingers of space behind heel, the 30 gives 3 fingers of space. I don’t appear to have undue heel lift with either boot but won’t know until I ski. Any recommendations, with intuition after market liner, will i be able to take up the 3 fingers of space in 30? I’m leaning towards 30.
    2. I will need to punch shell and part of carbon cuff (i think) around inside ankle bone, any advice on this, i’m guessing i will run the risk of changing the ability of the cuff to flex.

  128. Lou March 5th, 2012 12:48 pm

    Rob, I’d base that on your need for warmth. Do you ski in colder climates or get cold feet? If so the decision for the 3-finger shell is a no brainer. But if you have warm feet and don’t ski in places that get super cold, the shorter shell will give you better uphill stride ergonomics, be slightly lighter, and give you a snugger fit in the heel area.

    As far as I know, you can’t punch the carbon cuff. Everything else is punchable.

    Lou

  129. stephen March 5th, 2012 1:52 pm

    I’m also about to get a pair of TLT5s and know my size (28.5), but not sure whether to get the Mountain or the Performance; either way I’ll get the TF iner. I weigh ~140 lbs and am not sure I’d notice the difference in stiffness – any feedback? If I’m not likey to see any difference in performance I’d rather keep the $200…

    They’ll probably mostly be used with skis 92mm or less at the waist, but circa 110 might happen if I end up going to Gumarg and/or Hokkaido next year. (And maybe Antarctica in late 2013.) Which should I get???

  130. Eric Schneider March 5th, 2012 9:30 pm

    Have to say the TLT5 Performance is the most amazing boot I have ever worn. I am using them on K2 Waybacks with 88 mm waist. I have never used the removable tongues. They seem to drive just fine without them but I’m sure I will eventually get curious and try them out.

  131. edward March 13th, 2012 8:22 am

    Thanks for the info Lou.

    This new season looks amazing!

    I have just spent this season on the TLT5M. Gotta say my 2 cents….

    1)Firstly, and most importantly/urgently: I’m wondering if anyone has figured out a way to not eject (10 year old purple and pink TLT Speed bindings) when learning how to do rail slides- It’s frigging embarrassing to do so on the baby terrain park!! Is it that I need to go directly to the steel rails as the super-extra wide poly surfaces have simply too much friction for the dynafit toe piece?

    2)I have 2E-4E feet (very short toes/hobbit feet), and yes the TLT5 are, by far, the tightest boot I have ever used.

    However one thing that people seem to forget:

    the TLT5 IS A RACE BOOT!!

    Not full world-cup race. As Formula 1 cars are not street legal, the TLT5P is the Enzo Ferrari. Street legal, but still can rip the race courses and play with uber hard core.

    When I ski the TLT5 only inbounds my feet are less than warm, but when I flip a lap up A Basin (1900 vert ft, top at 12.456ft) BEFORE the start of a day, my feet are warm all day. Two or three laps and the only thing I’m worrying about is food and beer.

    For those that bitch and moan about the tight/narrow shape, I am seriously confused. I gotta say that kick-turning “dust on crust” on the mogul runs at 12,000 feet I am sure as Sh… not thinking about snug toes, but rather not going for a pre-ride as the weak snow blows out from underneath me.

    I’m still scratching my head with all this stiffness talk. Granted I’ve just been riding TLT4′s (yeah, the pink and purple boots) for 10 years, so I’ve learned to ski from my core, saving my thighs for the OS!M (oh shit! moments) and the UP. Is it really about stiffness- or is more about control? Control is fit and responsiveness. I’m also guessing it’s about old-fashioned fitness.

    I think that most people are missing the point of the TLT5: IMHO, it’s about NOT puking your lungs up at 13,000ft (4,000 meters). They are about doing 4-6 thousand feet UP, AND being able to have enough to rip the bumps and small cliffs ( and maybe rail slides??) on the way down. The TLT5 is about being 8-19% bodyfat, (the DNA is about being 5-9%BF AKA “dude, you’re too skinny- drink some beer”) I wanna hear people whine about the DNA boot, for it seems that the TLT5 is the same last, but with increase down/bump/cliff control.

    I just ordered a pair of Zzeus so that I can spend the day cruising with my friends that don’t like to go delirious on the way up. I’m looking forward to fitting into regular (anchor weights of) bindings and doing Demo Days. Maybe then I will stop doing face plants in front of the 6 year old park riders!

    Just in case you’re wondering of what my view of BC skiing is, I’ve been kick-waxing my Havocs and doing Nordic on my set up, including a 6 mile day with others on 3-pin nordic. I planning to be adding Madsus Eon’s (wax or waxless, that is the question) to my quiver next year. Bumps should be interesting on THOSE boards. [That last part was a joke- mostly!]

    Ride hard, but do it with the biggest grin possible!

    Thanks!
    -Ed

  132. thudddddddddd April 3rd, 2012 7:37 pm

    so… I’ve got a set of zzero 4′s which I find a little soft… (fat and short…. 200, 5’10″ )do I want to upgrade to the Vulcan or the green machine? new to the BC game, but 30 years of lift serviced stuff…. resort boots are strolz race stock …… skis are K2 backlash’s, BD drifts and 3G Tonics…. east coast skier, Vt , Ny , Nh…..

  133. TSH April 9th, 2012 6:07 pm

    This new line sure looks sweet!
    Is the cuff height (in the back / rear spoiler) the exact same on the vulcan and the mercury?

    Thanks!

    -TSH-

  134. Rob Coppolillo April 17th, 2012 9:42 pm

    Just got a few days in the ONE PX…and here are my thoughts. Great thread…interesting reading and psyched to try and ride the Vulcans next fall/winter!

    http://www.elevationoutdoors.com/magazine/dynafit-one-px-your-first-look-at-next-years-gotta-have-ski-boot/

    Lou–damn, the touring looks great over there…right on and enjoy! We’re already mtn biking here…so much for spring touring!

    RC

  135. Frank Geary December 5th, 2012 9:52 pm

    Has anything changed with this years (2012-13) TLT5 Perfomance?

  136. Dimi December 6th, 2012 3:41 am

    Frank: i was wondering that myself, doesn’t seem to be any info out here..

  137. Lou Dawson December 6th, 2012 7:18 am

    Guys, elsewhere we’ve mentioned that the TLT 5 will have the lean lock that can be changed to reduce angle. Also, I’m not certain but I believe it will also have the top buckle that folds in a bit more so it doesn’t stick out and catch on things, same buckle as the ONE model and Vulcan/Merc. Lou

  138. Dimi December 6th, 2012 7:36 am

    the same top buckle as the Vulcan? the one with quite a few reports of easy breakage?

  139. Matt December 6th, 2012 9:06 am

    The hinged buckle broke on my Mercury first time out. They are better off staying with the original TLT5 buckle.

  140. Lou Dawson December 6th, 2012 9:11 am

    Dimi, anything can be improved… story is that the buckle that broke has been beefed. That’s not surprising as it was obviously too weak. I’d better check on that, however…

  141. harpo December 6th, 2012 11:33 am

    The latest info I have from Salewa USA is that there will be no changes for the TLT5P this year as all Dyna’s energy is going into the upcoming TLT6. The new two position foward lean mechanism for the TLT5 will be available as a spare part later this year.

  142. Dimi December 7th, 2012 9:12 am

    harpo: did you just drop the TLT6 bomb! any info? :D

  143. TonyBob December 15th, 2012 10:59 am

    Has anyone had issues with the sole durability on the new Dynafit PDG boots? I’ve got 2 days on mine; one skinning in the morning then riding the lifts in the afternoon , all at a ski area, then a second day hiking up Mt. Grizzly looking for the East Couloir conditions. Nothing skiable. The hike was about 6 miles total, even thirds dirt trail, packed snow, and very mellow rock trail.
    Whole lugs sheared off the souls which eventually caused me to fall all over the place. This in turn seriously scared up the plastic where it meets the sole.
    My old F1 races have 3 years and significantly more use to include a good deal of full on rock scrambling and long hikes through deadfall forests to get to the goods. Am I expecting too much of the PDGs?
    Also, who do you folks trust to resole this type of boot? Preferably with a quick turn-around and here in Colorado.

    Thanks,
    T-Bob

  144. Paul Simon December 15th, 2012 11:26 am

    @T-Bob: Just return your boots to Dynafit and let them deal with the issue. Those boots are a little too expensive to only last for two days.

  145. TonyBob December 15th, 2012 12:12 pm

    Paul,
    I tried that through the shop I bought them at. No luck. The response I got was basically that it’s a racing boot and not built for that kind of activity. The response from the shop didn’t say exactly who made that determination and it seemed a bit off mark to me so I’m going to contact Dynafit NA directly this week about it.
    I feel the same way too though, too much money for the boot to only last two days.
    T-bob

  146. Dane September 25th, 2013 1:04 am

    Anyoneeelse have issues with the PGD soles..half or full rubber sole versions? Dynafit ever give a reason of take care of the premature wear?

    Was thinking it might simply be a bad batch of rubber. But sure would like to know more about the failures and the warrenty response..

  147. Bill B September 25th, 2013 7:06 am

    I had then same issue with a set of Dynafit EVOs.
    After about 3 hours of hiking on dirt and loose rock the soles were shot.
    Nothing serious in the hiking , my wife was hiking right next to me in her tlt5,s and they never showed any wear.
    $1600 boots and the soles were gone.
    Dynafits response was even more shocking.
    Did get the soles replaced by the seller with rubber that seems much better.
    Mountain Gear was great in their response to the situation.
    Absolutely love the boots, but was hard to take.

  148. Bill B September 25th, 2013 7:25 am

    To add
    I had a chance to talk to the head Dynafit boot man from Europe at OR.
    I showed him pictures of the sole.
    He immediately recognized the issue and said that they have an problem .Told me to return the boots thru the dealer channel and they would take care of it.
    When I did (using his name) the US evalutor said it was normal wear and they would not warrantee it.
    There is a disconnect between what the head man says and what US distibuting says.

  149. Dane September 25th, 2013 12:21 pm

    Thanks Bill. I was blissfully unaware of the problem until yesterda.y This morning I talked with Danny at Salewa Customer Service and explained the situation. He thought the Salewa 2 year warrenty should have easily covered the problem. I’d suggest anyone with a similar issue go direct to Selewa and reference this or the TGR thread for satisfaction. Because obviously it was/is a problem.

  150. Andy September 27th, 2013 6:18 pm

    Anyone have suggestions for sizing intuition liners for TLT-5s? my original 2010 vintage TF liners from my TLT-5Ps have about had it, and I’m considering getting some Intuition Pro Tour liners. I’m a 26.5 in the TLT-5Ps, so not sure whether I should put in a 26 or a 27 in the pro tour. My current TF liner is now packed down so much that without THICK socks, I can’t get the boots as tight as I’d like (with the buckle connection point moved for tightest possible lock), but looking at it I don’t see any options with the current Pro Tour models for thickness choice? Thoughts appreciated, thanks.

  151. Dane October 29th, 2013 1:08 pm

    Turns out the new EVO and PDG do use a different rubber compound on the sole than the previous DyNA boots. And it is no mistake. New sole is a micxture of EVA (liek eva foam) with rubber to lighten the sole. Hence the distinct lack of durability. No replacement soles of any sort offered by Dynafit NA. Suggestions on resoles by anyone who has done it?

  152. Tony October 29th, 2013 1:21 pm

    I went with Komito Boots out of Estes Park to resole my PDGs. The workmanship was great but I encountered 3 issues. 1, the new soles had to be ground down significantly at the to to fit into my bindings (multiple brands and models were tried). 2, the resole vibram tread was so thick they had to grind a significant amount of lug depth from the entire sole. These things could smear on a slick chalk board now. 3, I don’t have a scale to compare but the boots are now significantly heavier. I can’t knock Komito too much though as this project was a bit outside their normal fare. I’m going to re-address the issue with Dynafit to see if they’ll do anything. If not, they’ll lose a good customer and I’ll phase all their gear out of my quiver. Tony

  153. Dane October 29th, 2013 1:34 pm

    Ya, I was afraid of that. Just talked with Steve @ Komitos and he wanted to use the 1276 Vibram. I was thinking it would be way too thick. So point taken. I mean really? How tough is ti to order in soem replacement TLT soles for Dynafit? Same sole patetrns for the most part and lots mroe durability as we all know. I don’t mind adding a little weight to a expensive boot. But then aagin with an expensive boot how about the origianl sole or soemthing that will last a season or two.

    Scarpa has a better hinge and now a better sole…wtf? I really like my Dynafit boots but this is really annoying.

  154. TimZ October 29th, 2013 2:39 pm

    Dane, I was really hoping that dynafit would cover this and based on the comments at TGR: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/267374-Dynafit-DY-N-A-PDG-Boots?p=4064325#post4064325&avad=20253_d53a8aa5 it sounded like they were going to take care of you

    My wife just picked up a pair of PDG this year and this is her only boot now. We spend lots of time out of the skis either booting, scrambling, or climbing in crampons and I agree with Tony’s sentiment that if the soles wore as quickly as some have experienced and Dynafit didn’t cover it they would likely lose me as well. The Alien is a reasonable price point and with a vibram sole…

  155. Dane October 29th, 2013 9:08 pm

    Same here. Shocked that they won;t not stand behind the product (doubt anyone buying the EVO or PDG was expecting the distinct lack of sole durability) but have yet to make replacement soles available through the in house repair/parts system on a $850 and a $1700 boot. Crazy.

    Love the boots but not if I have to baby them so much that they never get used.

  156. Dane October 29th, 2013 10:17 pm

    @ Bill B? I talked with Mtn Gear today. No one there tioday had any recollection of resoling a Dynafit. Didi they resole your boots or simply replace them? Thanks

  157. Bill B October 30th, 2013 6:56 am

    Dane

    After about 3 months Mountain Gear was able to get rubber from Dynafit.
    They then had a local shop, I believe, replace the rubber.
    The new rubber was different ahd has held up.
    I can maybe find who took care of the process.

  158. Bill B October 31st, 2013 12:03 pm

    Dane
    most likely the boots were repaired at Resas
    509-327-4190
    you can contact me at: sales@bndskigear.com

  159. Dane October 31st, 2013 12:21 pm

    Thanks Bill. Seems Resas is denying any knowledge of the mission. Even Mtn Gear has no knowledge of a Dynafit being resoled :-) Did they use the two color TLT sole or an earlier DyNA sole?

  160. JT November 24th, 2013 9:01 pm

    I recently bought a pair of PDG’s at BC. They were on sale. Not sure which model year I bought, but I suspect they are not 2012-2013, because instead of Kevlar, there are wired bails on the buckles. However there is full sole and adjustable lean. Anyone know which year/vintage of the PDG/EVO sole is having the premature wear problems? Sounds like the sole has a variable track record, with some years doing better than others. If I have a “problem” sole then I can return these (unused) before the snow starts falling in earnest. Thanks.

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