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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shea told me he skied it, as did Carmichael and one of his crew I&#039;m good friends with. Since the tradition is to do all that rope work in the couloirs below the summit snow, definition of &quot;entirety&quot; was certainly open to interpretation back then during the second and probably still is! 

When they made the movie with Shea, they skied and climbed quite a bit of stuff. They had a small budget and had a crew who hauled the camera gear around. Perhaps since it was a &quot;production&quot; there is some historical bias against Shea, as well as his story fading because he&#039;s unavailable for interviews (not to mention the film footage being unavailable for excerpt), but I used to climb and ski with Shea and can say that he was a straight shooter and definitely one of the top alpinists in the country at that time, and also an excellent skier.

Whatever the case, the &quot;Fall Line&quot; movie had large impact on ski alpinists and wouldbe ski alpinists OUTSIDE the Tetons. Since the premise of  the &quot;Teton Skiing&quot; DVD as stated at the start is: &quot;In the history of skiing, few places have had as much influence on the sport of skiing as the Tetons have,&quot; then Shea&#039;s skiing and the movie are very important, and as Derek wrote earlier he realized that but couldn&#039;t include it because of space/length constraints. If Shea actually did make the second, then I&#039;d hope that would be corrected in further editions of the CD.

History writing is tough, and I made a lot of mistakes when doing Wild Snow -- this sort of picking away at the details is normal.

Fall Line movie trivia: For years there was a big network television sports show called &quot;American Sportsman.&quot; At the start of the show they had a bunch of movie clips that showed the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. During that segment a film clip of Shea taking a near-death fall down Kochs Couloir on Middle Teton was shown over and over again for years, making Shea possibly the most watched extreme skier in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shea told me he skied it, as did Carmichael and one of his crew I&#8217;m good friends with. Since the tradition is to do all that rope work in the couloirs below the summit snow, definition of &#8220;entirety&#8221; was certainly open to interpretation back then during the second and probably still is! </p>
<p>When they made the movie with Shea, they skied and climbed quite a bit of stuff. They had a small budget and had a crew who hauled the camera gear around. Perhaps since it was a &#8220;production&#8221; there is some historical bias against Shea, as well as his story fading because he&#8217;s unavailable for interviews (not to mention the film footage being unavailable for excerpt), but I used to climb and ski with Shea and can say that he was a straight shooter and definitely one of the top alpinists in the country at that time, and also an excellent skier.</p>
<p>Whatever the case, the &#8220;Fall Line&#8221; movie had large impact on ski alpinists and wouldbe ski alpinists OUTSIDE the Tetons. Since the premise of  the &#8220;Teton Skiing&#8221; DVD as stated at the start is: &#8220;In the history of skiing, few places have had as much influence on the sport of skiing as the Tetons have,&#8221; then Shea&#8217;s skiing and the movie are very important, and as Derek wrote earlier he realized that but couldn&#8217;t include it because of space/length constraints. If Shea actually did make the second, then I&#8217;d hope that would be corrected in further editions of the CD.</p>
<p>History writing is tough, and I made a lot of mistakes when doing Wild Snow &#8212; this sort of picking away at the details is normal.</p>
<p>Fall Line movie trivia: For years there was a big network television sports show called &#8220;American Sportsman.&#8221; At the start of the show they had a bunch of movie clips that showed the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. During that segment a film clip of Shea taking a near-death fall down Kochs Couloir on Middle Teton was shown over and over again for years, making Shea possibly the most watched extreme skier in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will go back and review the interview log from the Jeff Rhoads interview and then reply back here.  I think there was some issue about actually skiing the route in entirety that was taken into question with Shea&#039;s descent.  I&#039;m not sure, and I don&#039;t want to stir a pot that is almost 30 years old.  But for sake of accuracy, I will look into it.

Bob,  You&#039;re right, Jeff did ski it twice in the summer of 1979.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will go back and review the interview log from the Jeff Rhoads interview and then reply back here.  I think there was some issue about actually skiing the route in entirety that was taken into question with Shea&#8217;s descent.  I&#8217;m not sure, and I don&#8217;t want to stir a pot that is almost 30 years old.  But for sake of accuracy, I will look into it.</p>
<p>Bob,  You&#8217;re right, Jeff did ski it twice in the summer of 1979.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to see the movie, as the Teton&#039;s have been my favorite range for over a decade...
On Shea it seems Lou is right; in Tom Turiano&#039;s book on page 47 he cites Shea as the 2nd descent of the Grand in June, 1978.  If  Turiano is correct, Rhoades skied it (twice) on July 4-5 of the same year (and a 1st descent of the Ford Couloir. ) Thanks for the review and a video lesson in Teton history that I&#039;m looking forward to seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see the movie, as the Teton&#8217;s have been my favorite range for over a decade&#8230;<br />
On Shea it seems Lou is right; in Tom Turiano&#8217;s book on page 47 he cites Shea as the 2nd descent of the Grand in June, 1978.  If  Turiano is correct, Rhoades skied it (twice) on July 4-5 of the same year (and a 1st descent of the Ford Couloir. ) Thanks for the review and a video lesson in Teton history that I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Part I, &quot;The Colorado Story&quot;?  That is an idea we kicked around.  Tons of great history in your state.  And Lou, you could be the history advisor and writer.  Whattya say);</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Part I, &#8220;The Colorado Story&#8221;?  That is an idea we kicked around.  Tons of great history in your state.  And Lou, you could be the history advisor and writer.  Whattya say);</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Jay! Part II !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Jay! Part II !</p>
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