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	<title>Comments on: US Forest Service Nixes Davenport Fourteeners Movie</title>
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		<title>By: Karla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said anything about no humans in wilderness......this is some serious drama queen writing. Anyway, the hitch lies in the idea of it being a commercial product for sale. Go read your wilderness act. No one said you can&#039;t take footage for yourself and celebrate climbing. You can even have your won home movie. JUST DON&#039;T SELL THE WILDERNESS FOR PROFIT ON FILM. What part don&#039;t you understand? What happened to self discovery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said anything about no humans in wilderness&#8230;&#8230;this is some serious drama queen writing. Anyway, the hitch lies in the idea of it being a commercial product for sale. Go read your wilderness act. No one said you can&#8217;t take footage for yourself and celebrate climbing. You can even have your won home movie. JUST DON&#8217;T SELL THE WILDERNESS FOR PROFIT ON FILM. What part don&#8217;t you understand? What happened to self discovery?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason, I&#039;ve had a rare problem with comments being lost by my software before they get posted. I suspect that&#039;s what happened to yours. We value comments and hope you can try posting again. Apologies for this. I know creating a comment takes some time, and I feel bad having wasted your time...

When doing comments, you might copy to clipboard to make a backup in case it gets lost. Then if you don&#039;t see it appear, you can re-do. Once you&#039;ve had a comment approved they should go in automatically if you&#039;re doing it with the same name and email, but I&#039;m not sure that works 100%. If I have to approve the comment, I do it quickly if I&#039;m at my desk, but sometimes that process gets delayed by hours if I&#039;m out and about. If I&#039;m away from the computer for extended time I have someone else check for comments needing approval.

This process is mostly to prevent spam. 

I don&#039;t really know what to do about this (the lost comments) , but I&#039;m considering trying to find an expert who can help me troubleshoot the  blogging software. 

Thanks for your patience.

If anyone else has had this problem, again, my apologies.

 &#039;best, Lou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason, I&#8217;ve had a rare problem with comments being lost by my software before they get posted. I suspect that&#8217;s what happened to yours. We value comments and hope you can try posting again. Apologies for this. I know creating a comment takes some time, and I feel bad having wasted your time&#8230;</p>
<p>When doing comments, you might copy to clipboard to make a backup in case it gets lost. Then if you don&#8217;t see it appear, you can re-do. Once you&#8217;ve had a comment approved they should go in automatically if you&#8217;re doing it with the same name and email, but I&#8217;m not sure that works 100%. If I have to approve the comment, I do it quickly if I&#8217;m at my desk, but sometimes that process gets delayed by hours if I&#8217;m out and about. If I&#8217;m away from the computer for extended time I have someone else check for comments needing approval.</p>
<p>This process is mostly to prevent spam. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know what to do about this (the lost comments) , but I&#8217;m considering trying to find an expert who can help me troubleshoot the  blogging software. </p>
<p>Thanks for your patience.</p>
<p>If anyone else has had this problem, again, my apologies.</p>
<p> &#8216;best, Lou</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Hendrickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Hendrickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

      Did you not recieve my comment, or did you decide not to post it?   Just curious.

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>      Did you not recieve my comment, or did you decide not to post it?   Just curious.</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Dav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all of you for your supportive, informative, and rousing comments.  

Just to clarify Will&#039;s point #2, our &quot;brief check with the forest service&quot; yielded encouraging talks and the handing over of necessary permit forms by the NFS employees, not a delivery of the federal laws which we now are aware of and have to work with.  Had I walked in the door of the NFS office and gotten a stern rebuke or warning or anything of the sort I never would have filed the permit.  Just to set the record straight the NFS has been helpful and willing to work this out, but just in case... anyone&#039;s dad or uncle or friend a Senator?

Lots of fun over the last two nights with my slideshows: 300 people at REI in Denver last night during a blizzard and 100 people at REI Seattle tonight.  Glad to see folks are interested in the peaks and the project.  I wanted to show them the film teaser SO bad!

time to go ski some more 14ers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all of you for your supportive, informative, and rousing comments.  </p>
<p>Just to clarify Will&#8217;s point #2, our &#8220;brief check with the forest service&#8221; yielded encouraging talks and the handing over of necessary permit forms by the NFS employees, not a delivery of the federal laws which we now are aware of and have to work with.  Had I walked in the door of the NFS office and gotten a stern rebuke or warning or anything of the sort I never would have filed the permit.  Just to set the record straight the NFS has been helpful and willing to work this out, but just in case&#8230; anyone&#8217;s dad or uncle or friend a Senator?</p>
<p>Lots of fun over the last two nights with my slideshows: 300 people at REI in Denver last night during a blizzard and 100 people at REI Seattle tonight.  Glad to see folks are interested in the peaks and the project.  I wanted to show them the film teaser SO bad!</p>
<p>time to go ski some more 14ers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment Will, thanks.

I think one of the problems in this situation is indeed very uneven enforcement of the law. I know that&#039;s not much in terms of legal justification, but fairness is most certainly a consideration in any regulatory system, especially when it can be related to favoritism, racism, or any other ism.

Also, the division of film from still is what I would continue to call &quot;weird.&quot; Anyone knows that a film or video is just a bunch of still photos strung together. More, all my slideshows are done with &quot;stills&quot; strung together using video software, with zooms, pans, and even animation using successive stills. Do I need a permit for that?

My  point is that it sounds like the law is rough in many ways, and Chris got caught in the middle of it because he tried to do the right thing. As stated above, plenty of films have been done with no permit. Enforcement of the law always has grey area and room for judgement calls, I for one am asking that the USFS simply work with Chris by helping him fit into one of the grey areas and allow the public to see the film made on our public land... One thing that might work is to somehow convert the film over to a &quot;non commercial&quot; use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment Will, thanks.</p>
<p>I think one of the problems in this situation is indeed very uneven enforcement of the law. I know that&#8217;s not much in terms of legal justification, but fairness is most certainly a consideration in any regulatory system, especially when it can be related to favoritism, racism, or any other ism.</p>
<p>Also, the division of film from still is what I would continue to call &#8220;weird.&#8221; Anyone knows that a film or video is just a bunch of still photos strung together. More, all my slideshows are done with &#8220;stills&#8221; strung together using video software, with zooms, pans, and even animation using successive stills. Do I need a permit for that?</p>
<p>My  point is that it sounds like the law is rough in many ways, and Chris got caught in the middle of it because he tried to do the right thing. As stated above, plenty of films have been done with no permit. Enforcement of the law always has grey area and room for judgement calls, I for one am asking that the USFS simply work with Chris by helping him fit into one of the grey areas and allow the public to see the film made on our public land&#8230; One thing that might work is to somehow convert the film over to a &#8220;non commercial&#8221; use.</p>
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