Ask the Guru — Latest Episode


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Ok folks, Skisatchitananda has hiked down from three years in his meditation cave high on Mount Shasta, and is now taking questions. Problem is Satchit hasn’t been skiing much during the past few years (and when he does, he is on ‘soul’ gear of course) so he doesn’t want to lead a potential acolyte astray when it comes to modern AT gear. Skisatchit has wireless up at his cave, and has followed WildSnow since we started blogging so thus knows we sometimes have answers, so he’s turned this question over to us. Dear readers, can you help this guy out?

To Skisatchitananada (and now WildSnow.com):

I am moving into AT after having been a dedicated tele-skier for years. I moved to Vancouver from Utah, to heavy snow from blower pow. My legs are aged (I’m 58) and I’ve had knee surgeries on both lateral menisci. I ski 80% in-bounds at Whistler/Blackcomb although usually not on groomed runs, everything up to double-BDs. But I’m neither aggressive or fast. I’ll do the occasional day tour, hike out-of-bounds when it’s safe, and may do one or two long, multi-day tour per year if I’m lucky. I weigh 175 pounds dripping wet, I’m about 6 feet tall, and am pretty fit but not Atlas personified. My new skis are Atomic Access.I have another alpine set-up so I’ll save the new Atomics for touring and in-bound powder days.

I am COMPLETELY CONFUSED about whether to get Dynafits or either Fritschi or Marker F12 bindings. It sounds like it comes down to safety and convenience/ease of-use (Fritschi and Marker) vs. weight and skiability (Dynafits). Do I have that about right?

Given the parameters in my first paragraph, and if you were me, what bindings would you mount on those new boards of mine? Seems everyone I ask gives a different opinion and the more I look on the web, the more confused I get between the two options.

I’d really appreciate some advice.

Thanks,
P.R.

Comments

64 Responses to “Ask the Guru — Latest Episode”

  1. Rob Stokes February 7th, 2011 12:06 pm

    Dynafits!

    I have just got some mounted out here in Chamonix and have been skiing em pretty hard for the last couple of weeks. Once I got through the initial ‘shit wtf is holding my skis on’ and started to trust them they are pretty bomber. I have skied icy bumps, corn, slush, crust, sold groomers (no bloody pow though!) and even a run through the park!

    I am a bit smaller than you but 23yo like to ski fast and jump of every bump I see. If you ski with a DIN under 12 I think the binders are plenty bomber enough, the brakes are shit though!

  2. Scott February 7th, 2011 12:44 pm

    Easy, go with the Fritschi’s or Markers. That way you can use your alpine boots on those inbound powder days. And tour to slackcountry with said boots.

    After you start touring more and get sick of the wieght, get a third dynafit based setup.

  3. Dave February 7th, 2011 12:46 pm

    I just finished a stretch of about 20 days skiing my Dynafits (bindings and Stoke skis) in bounds on death cookies, rutted ice, mogus (small ones), groomers, corn, and even a bit of powder one day. No unwanted releases, even when traveling fast over nasty, rutted ice, and no obvious signs of wear. Really, the only reason to go with the Marker or Fritschi, I suspect, is ease of entry. But Lou has cautioned against long term use of the Dynafit binding to rack up tons of in bounds vert, noting that they may not be quite that durable, and this has me asking the same question (I’ve got another pair of skis coming that will be exclusively for lift served skiing and will need to get some bindings which will need to fit an AT boot as I can’t bring myself to go back to my alpine boots after using my Mobes for a month). I’m looking forward to others’ take on this.

  4. Greg Louie February 7th, 2011 12:50 pm

    If I’m interpreting this correctly and this is to be a one-ski quiver with 80 percent in-bounds/lift-served use, I’d recommend, with a hesitant pause, the Fritschi FR+ at this point in time.

    The reason everyone gives a different opinion is that there are a number of potentially viable answers, but speaking as someone who only tours on Dynafit (but ski inbounds with Dukes) and even one who is not particularly enamored of the lateral slop inherent in Fritschis I’d probably still get the Freerides. Or wait until the current F12/F10 durability issue is resolved. Or get Dukes and embark on a serious training regime to pump up those “aged” legs. Or get two pair of skis.

  5. mike February 7th, 2011 1:00 pm

    dynafits hands down!

    I’am 58 also weight is 165. I have skied with dynafits tlts for 12 years this year I have gone only backcountry average day is about 6500 feet. Skied them inbounds for years with lots of out of bounds skiing about 45 days a year. Keep them clean and dry them out every use and take apart and clean and lubricate yearly. The less weight you have on your feet is worth the learning curve of learning how to use them. I only set the din to 7 and have had great results. as the years go by you will be glad for less weight on your feet.

  6. Bill February 7th, 2011 1:29 pm

    Dynafits are the best dedicated touring rig. But if you are looking for a one ski quiver, then go with a step in.
    Markers are too burely for your needs.
    Fritichis, everyone seems to use them and they get the job done. My wife has been on a pair of freerides all season with a pair of 1080 guns as her one and only ski this season (unless she feels like being a hippie and go free heeling). She thinks they are fine. She even competed in the Rhalves Banzai in them.
    I however have always been a Silvretta fan, and would reccomend the pures. Most likey the free rides. You lose a little bit on stiffness but gain it in wieght saving. Awesome tour pivot. The crampon is also better (can attach without removing boot). Don’t sound like you are hucking big clifs so that would be an issue.

    B

  7. yuri February 7th, 2011 1:29 pm

    Dynafit! I ski mine regularly inbounds and, compared to telemark bindings, the materials and robustness of Dynafit far exceeds what you need unless you doing major jumps or messing in the park…

    I use Dynafit Vertical ST with Titans on my Sluff’s and they handle extremely well. Never had any release issues – just remember the standard engagement procedure of setting the toes and rotating the ski a few times to clear any ice/dirt. Then lock the heels and you won’t have any problems.

  8. Lou February 7th, 2011 1:39 pm

    My two cents: I have to say I’m really not a fan of the one-rig setup for someone who skis as much as P.R. implies he does. For him, I’d actually recommend a Marker F10 setup for inbounds/slackcountry, and a Dynafit ST setup that would be used partially for slackcountry, but also for those tours he does. Yes, Marker Tour series might have an occasional durability problem but that doesn’t occur across the board, is under warranty if it happens, and will probably be addressed soon if not already knowing Marker. Main thing is that when switching from Dynafit to another binding, going to one with slop such as Freeride can be annoying, since you’re not used to it (when used to it, you compensate).

    P.R., as for your perceptions, I don’t think Fritschi or Marker is any safer than Dynafit and I don’t know where you’d get the impression you have. But a step-in binding such as Marker is immeasurably more convenient at the resort, which is one reason I don’t recommend resort skiing with tech bindings, which can be pretty fiddly when you walk around and get ice in your toe fittings, etc.

    Back to the issue of how big a quiver: Skis are just one of those things in life that work better if you have choices.

  9. Tom Gos February 7th, 2011 2:10 pm

    What Lou said, although I would also consider the Marker Duke/Baron if touring days on these skis will involve climbing less than 1000′ vertical.

  10. Tuck February 7th, 2011 2:27 pm

    I’ve been skiing Dynafits mostly in resort for three years now. I no longer have any skis mounted with alpine bindings, and don’t miss them.

    I had a problem this weekend with ice build up in the binding (under the toe jaws) and it was the first issue I’ve had with the Dynafits this season.

    I ski most every weekend in northern VT.

    The Dynafits are certainly more fiddly than a step-in, but you can get snow buildup on an alpine boot as well that will interfere with step-in.

  11. Maki February 7th, 2011 2:50 pm

    Lou, Diamirs aren’t safer than TLTs if both are used properly, you are (probaly) right. However “if used properly” is a big IF. Step-in bindings are much more tolerant and predictable.
    When a Diamir is closed it’s closed, period. And even if the boot has some snow attached, it closes: or not, but you see it. When a TLT looks closed, well, maybe there’s some ice in the insert that will pop your ski off your foot at the second turn (why not immediately has always been a mystery for me). Also, if for any reason you forget the lever up (e.g. you remove the skins without taking the skis off) the binding will not realease: that cannot happen with others.

    That said, I’ll get TLTs within a year because I eventually decided I can live with the fiddlyness, but I cannot hide to myself that some problems do exist. Awkward, distract or impatient people really should not use Dynafits (speaking in general, no reference to P.R.).

  12. stewspooner February 7th, 2011 3:06 pm

    Putting on skis is a relatively minor part of one’s day, and while it is slightly easier to step in to Fritschi or Marker (though not in deep or sticky snow) bindings, getting into Dynafit bindings just require a little more attention to detail. For all the rest of one’s day, hours of climbing, and when actually skiing down, Dynafit bindings are obviously and fundamentally better (lighter, stiffer etc.) by design. Aggressive resort skiing creates forces that the Dynafit binding was not designed to handle, though you say you have a dedicated alpine setup. Backcountry skiers end up on Dynafits. They don’t go back.

  13. Lou February 7th, 2011 3:20 pm

    Stew, if you’re doing gondola or tram laps as well as eating in restaurants, clipping on your skis is not a trivial part of the day. If you’re running with a pack, and they’re walking out, stepping into their bindings then scooting off with a smile — while your’e Dynafiddling — things might not seem to be going all that well… if you’re solo and perhaps just riding chairlifts, yeah, no big deal.

  14. Lou February 7th, 2011 3:22 pm

    Did anyone else notice that dumb typo in the title? Louie caught it…

    It said lastest instead of latest. Perhaps you guys though I was trying to be clever (grin), if so, thanks for your faith covering my ineptitude (grin).

  15. tka February 7th, 2011 4:00 pm

    Easy. Marker tours. You don’t tour enough to warrant dynafits. You don’t need the weight savings, the fiddle-factor, or the energy transfer to your knees that they provide. IMO, diamirs are obsolete, especially now that the Marker is in the same weight range. The markers ski better than diamirs. You can ski these with whatever boots you’ve got. More options.

    Need change for a quarter? We can do that. Change for a nickel? Gotcha covered!

  16. Jason February 7th, 2011 4:02 pm

    If I was you, I’d go with a set of the Dynafit for sure. The FT12′s will hold you in there for resort skiing or wait until the new ones come out in a few months. If you were 30, 200lb and ripped pounding down bumps, I’d say get a couple different setups… a Backcountry setup and a Slackcountry setup… why not?! Marker dukes for those slackcountry days you can still huck the resort on. I have a pair of Dynafit FT12′s on some Praxis Backcountry skis. I love the setup. Super light and I feel secure… so far. :)

    Welcome to the wonderful world of a locked in heel! OH YEAH!

  17. mike February 7th, 2011 4:19 pm

    rereading he says there for out of bounds and powder days and tours and has another set up for resort days. I still vote dynafits. :-)

  18. Lou February 7th, 2011 4:35 pm

    Ok, I think what throws me is the slackcountry use. If it’s much, I’d want the resort setup to be resort friendly. If it’s minimal, just use Dynafits for that day and run the alpine binder rig the rest of the time. But my big problem is I’m just not seeing a good way around having two rigs if he wants one with Dynafit. Again, just my opinion boys.

    And I’d say it’s time P.R. came into the room and clarified things a bit more. P.R.? You rang?

  19. Greg Louie February 7th, 2011 5:08 pm

    If you end up doing 50 percent touring, with multiple days over 5,000 ft. vertical, and you partners are as fit or fitter than you, you’ll end up on Dynafits anyway because you’re tired of being the lastest one up to the top.

    Still don’t think you should be doing your resort laps at Whistler on them. And I’ve heard of enough F10/F12 failures to make me think twice.

  20. mc February 7th, 2011 5:35 pm

    I spent two years on one ski, Dynafit FR10 and Comfort bindings here in Whistler and there was only one time on a wide open Dave Murray downhill where I thought “if these things release now I’m screwed”. He’s not very big. He’s 58 not aggressive or fast. I’m voting Dynafit. Plus it will be easier to carry his stuff back to his car.

  21. Lou February 7th, 2011 6:00 pm

    Yes, one way or another, a 58 year old guy who tours needs a set of tech bindings!

  22. John W February 7th, 2011 6:01 pm

    I had a Dynafit only kit for 2 seasons but am much happier now with a Fritchi rig at the resort. (I am not Duke fluent but is is nice to be able to put any boot into a Fritchi) So much less fiddle and as noted the Dynafit brakes are lousy. For me though it is more of a boot preference. More support at the resort is nice. I’m mostly interested in perfect powder in the backcountry so leaning light for that kit is less of a compromise.

    That said, what is the word on the new BD Justice? Lou?

  23. Ben R February 7th, 2011 6:13 pm

    An option to consider:

    Dynadukes plates. Or even Sollyfit plates although no slack/side country with these.

    No question Dynafit rocks everything else for touring in lightness, stiffness, ease of use adjusting heel lifters etc.., and almost never a reason to bend over and fiddle except for locking down for touring mode.

    While the Dukes are agreeably overkill, it is nice to have a binding one can use relatively carelessly inbounds and step into quickly when galavanting around with the krewe. The plates fit the Marker Duke or Baron bindings. Not sure about the Marker tours.

    Added benny: coughing up an additional $115 for plates for each additional ski added to the quiver is quite a bit less expensive than purchasing additional bindings.

    Downside? 7mm of riser and 10-20 minutes of changeover time.

    …hopefully helpful.

  24. Ben R February 7th, 2011 6:28 pm

    ..pardon my oversight.

    Louie recently wrote a very thorough review on the Dynaduke plates.

  25. David February 7th, 2011 6:43 pm

    As Ben R suggest’s you should look into Dynadukes!!

    Dukes for inbounds and slackcountry
    Throw Dynafits on em for touring
    Quiver of two with investment of 1.5

    Personally I’m more interested in Sollyfits but I don’t do any sidecountry/slackcountry stuff – if you do dynadukes probably better.

  26. Lou February 7th, 2011 7:08 pm

    Hey Ben, remember to give a link if you can. Here it is:

    http://www.wildsnow.com/4234/dynaduke-binding-plates-review/

  27. scree February 7th, 2011 7:12 pm

    Go Dynafit for touring/soft snow. (You do know you will need boots with Dynafit inserts, right?) Then when bindings go on sale in the spring, replace your alpine binders with some Dukes or Fritschis.

  28. P.R. February 7th, 2011 9:09 pm

    Well, folks. Thanks for all the feedback. And so fast!! Doesn’t anyone work anymore? :wink:

    Bottom line, I think, is that both systems work and it comes down to minor issues and personal preference. I was up at Whistler yesterday and saw most ATheads on Fritschis but a few on Dynafit setups including a guide and a big burley kid on big burley skis. Both those two said they loved them. The guide skis a ton on them and has no issues.

    So I guess I’ll go flip a coin unless someone finally convinces me one way or the other in the next week or so. The Dynadukes sound interesting, however…

  29. Chris February 7th, 2011 9:22 pm

    If you’re really just going to flip a coin… save yourself several pounds (some of which you would lift with every step while touring) and get dynafits. Also no clack clack clack while touring.

  30. Greg Louie February 7th, 2011 9:26 pm

    Someone carries P.R.’s skis back to the car? Then why not stop at Escape Route and pick up some Plum 145′s . . .

  31. mc February 7th, 2011 9:51 pm

    If he picks up my apres bar tab I’ll carry him back to the car. Another Dynafit bonus – when the chick next to you in the lift line is wondering what keeps you attached to your skis you’ve got an ice breaker. Convinced yet?

  32. Nick D February 7th, 2011 11:50 pm

    tka I noticed your comment on dynafits re: “the energy transfer to your knees that they provide”. I ‘m another long time telemarker (31 years) who switched over to Dynafits this year because of an arthritic knee, which made tele turns to the right painful. I have noticed a strain on my knees parallelling with d-fits, which isn’t there when I take my tele skis out for nostalgic reasons – can you elaborate – thanks…

  33. Jed Ullrich February 8th, 2011 1:55 am

    Nick you’re probably steering with your heels instead of driving the ski with the balls of your feet. I say that because as a telemarker making parallel turns you’re practically forced to drive with your heels. You should concentrate on pressuring the tongues of your boots and being on the balls of your feet to take strain off your knees.

    And to PR I’m 30 6’2″220 ski on big skis with dynafits no problem. I spent one season breaking silvrettas, naxos, and fritschis, before I drank the dynafit kool aid and let me tell you the kool aid is tasty. I had dukers didn’t like them. Presently I’ve got big skis mounted with sollyfit plates so I can charge at the resort or tour. There’s no comparison in skiing. Dynafit/Plum/Onyx tech is the way forward for sure.

  34. Kent February 8th, 2011 4:49 am

    I’m a 58 year old tele-convert, myself. You say you have an alpine setup that you’ll continue to use in bounds, and will use your new Atomic Access for touring (sometimes multi-day) and in bounds powder. If you’re going to tour on them even a little I’d go Dynafit. Once I tried a pair I just couldn’t stand to tour on anything else (I’ve treid Freerides and Dukes). For me the superior stride is easily reason enough. The light weight on older legs is fantastic. And I don’t like touring in bindings that go click-clack.

  35. Lou February 8th, 2011 7:09 am

    I’m actually getting out on an alpine binding setup today for the first time in a couple of years, the weight is unbelievably obnoxious. I can’t believe people spend money on ski lifts so they can haul this junkshow around. Shoot, even carrying the stuff to the car is painful. But it’ll be fun to do some demo action. And it’s a pow day.

  36. Lou February 8th, 2011 7:11 am

    As for converted telemarkers, I’ve known quite a few and while most can ski fixed heel just fine once they get over worrying about it, they usually don’t know how to do that subtle fluid weight transition that makes alpine turns, when done well, just as soulful as tele turns (and perhaps more so, since one can think about spiritual matters while parallel turning, while telemark requires too much concentration on how far the knee is dropped (grin).

  37. Lou February 8th, 2011 7:13 am

    Oh, and before I’m out the door, thanks everyone for chiming in and helping Skisatchitananada answer P.R.’s question. Skisatchit sends remote blessings to you all.

  38. Samuel F February 8th, 2011 8:26 am

    I don’t think the sollyfits are getting the love they deserve here. I see SO many dukes around Jackson, that I know will never see a set skins. That’s not to say some people don’t use the duke for all it’s worth. Just that most simply don’t, and to be honest most slackcountry around a resort is going to have nice bootpacks to what you want to ski anyway. Anyway, salomons are just better bindings, than any touring binding out there, as far as holding you when you need held in, and leting go when you need out. For some reason almost everyone I’ve known to tour with markers has had issues either in touring mode, and also with getting there AT boots to fit properly on the toe. Anyway look at it this way, with a sollyfit I can take a regular woodcore all mountain ski (say in the 2000gram range) I can have a bomber inbounds set up with a tried and true binding that every shop in the world will have parts for. And when I put dynafits on a ski like that it will still ski better than any pure “touring” ski out there and probably be lighter if said touringski is mounted with anything but a dynafit.

  39. Frank K February 8th, 2011 9:28 am

    Close to 200lbs with gear… steep terrain…. 80% inbounds… and the remaining 20% is mostly short tours. I’m picturing a day of skiing Blackcomb, with a quick tour up Husume or Corona to top the day off. Dukes and Barons fit that bill, and Marker tours/Fritschis/ and Dynafits do not. Those bindings will have a short life under those conditions. Save up for a dedicated touring set-up for longer tours.

  40. Dave J. February 8th, 2011 9:31 am

    Dynafit Radical binding (2011/2012). Worth the wait.
    Dynafit Titan boot. Use as a resort boot with your resort setup.
    Ski the Atomic/Dynafit setup backcountry & inbound powder days.
    Black Diamond Glidelite Mohair Mix skins.

    If you’re keeping your resort boots, consider a lighter backcountry boot like the Dynafit Zzero or Black Diamond Quadrant.

  41. sam February 8th, 2011 9:36 am
  42. Dave J. February 8th, 2011 9:52 am

    I fit PR’s profile, less the bad knees & location (Tahoe Sierra). I average 50 days a year, 60%/40% inbounds/backcountry. I have a quiver of inbounds skis as conditions dictate. Yes, Lou, they are heavy, but we’re not pushing around 6″ of Colorado fluff in the Sierra very often!

    My Black Diamond Drift’s (similar to the Access) and Dynafit Vertical ST’s are featherweight’s and ski everything in the backcountry like a dream. If P.R. can wait, the new Dynafit Radical looks to improve on this amazing binding.

    I see a lot of Marker Duke’s/Baron’s on the lifts. Never in the backcountry. Get the picture?

  43. Steve February 8th, 2011 10:31 am

    Sound about like me only add a year. Difference is I still tele but limit it to powder days now. Seem to randomly tour on tele or AT with fun on both.
    My transition has been with Dobish plates (available from Dobish Solutions) that allow me to switch out O1′s and Dynafits.
    Previously have toured in Silvertta’s as approach bindings for climbing and my son’s Fritschis as an AT experience.
    Been very happy with the Dynafit performance for what I area ski and for what I ski when I have toured.
    Would agree with the Dynafit fans.

  44. Nick D February 8th, 2011 10:52 am

    Thanks for the reply to my question Jed, I’ll work on that.

  45. Sandy Watt February 8th, 2011 3:20 pm

    Go with the dynafits. You will find yourself spending more time in the backcountry over time and your dynafit decision will prove to be wise.

  46. Seth A February 8th, 2011 3:23 pm

    Tenacious D(ynafit) I made the switch- Fritchi’s ride high above the bar, I haven’t liked the feel. My Dynafits have been great for years, even on mountain. If you’re springing for that much cost, get the D.

    If you’re spry and not shy, You can get get resort gear for OK days, then bring the D set-up for powder days… then clean up the pow with skins out in the gorgeous wide-open spaces away from the crowds- where you want to be. Get the D.

  47. Bar Barrique February 8th, 2011 9:49 pm

    I’m a bit late with my comments, Oh well. The Dynafits are a “no brainer”. I have used them “in bounds” skiing aggressively on double black diamond runs without any problems. Yes, in absolute terms they are not the same thing as “alpine bindings” (I have an alpine set up), but they are more than sufficient for powder days “riding the lifts”. The most important reason that I would recommend Dynafits over the other stuff is safety. This guy has had knee surgery, and, he needs the safest binding choice. Approximately 9 years ago; I limped around for about 3 months after a fall while using a set of fritchis (forward twisting fall). If I had been wearing Dynafits, I do not think that I would have suffered an injury.

  48. Fernando Pereira February 8th, 2011 11:53 pm

    Same age, comparable weight and height, also two knee surgeries, similar skiing choices. I do most of my skiing in California and interior BC, except that my resort/backcountry mix is more like 50/50. My touring skis for the last three seasons have similar dimensions to your Atomics (Karhu BC 100s and this season G3 Tonics), Dynafit Vertical ST bindings. I love these setups for touring with my Dynafit Zzero 4 C boots, just back from a week of backcountry touring in BC. I’ve also skied them inbounds quite a few days, with the Zzero 4s and this season with stiffer BD Factors. However, I’m a bit wary of Dynafits for all-round inbounds skiing for two reasons: 1) in my experience, release is not as predictable as on alpine bindings or even Fritschis, and the speeds and surfaces of resort skiing are more conducive to situations where release is the least harmful outcome than the backcountry, where release can cause a world of problems; 2) Dynafits do not have any damping, all vibrations from hardpack end up being absorbed by my knees with can be tiring or even painful after a full day of skiing. I have alpine bindings and Marker Barons on my more resort-oriented skis. If I was looking for an all-round setup today, I’d look also at the Fritschi FR+. I gave up on Fritschis 5 years ago because of the awkward stride when skinning, but their new pivot point seems to reduce that problem. I don’t think their release is as predictable as that of Markers or standard alpine bindings (I have some surgical evidence for that…) but they seem a manageable compromise if you don’t want to deal with two pairs of skis (and possibly boots).

  49. Lou February 9th, 2011 8:16 am

    Fernando, good info, thanks. I guess one man’s binding slop is another man’s damping, eh? Makes me think…

  50. Dave February 9th, 2011 9:50 am

    I hope this question is relevant to this discussion (which has been really helpful, BTW – who needs forums?): I’m going to be getting a set of (slightly used) dedicated resort skis (can’t keep abusing my Stokes on ice and such) and just so I can stay with one pair of boots (Mobes), I’m leaning toward the Marker binding. I use a DIN of 9. I was planning to go with Marker Tours, but is there any reason I should look at the Baron or Duke instead? It’s pretty unlikely these skis will ever see a set of skins, and certainly any climbing I might do with these would be pretty short and no farther afield than some slackcountry. I have a Stoke/Dynafit binding set up for real touring. Thanks.

  51. Michael February 9th, 2011 12:30 pm

    I can’t believe no one has suggested G3′s Onyx bindings! Why? well, here’s a few reasons:
    -burly! Will handle all the lift skiing you can muster with better “ski feel” than any of the plate bindings (Marker/Fritschi).
    -most relliable retention/release settings over all the other Tech bindings.
    -mounting plates allow you to move them between skis, a la Dynadukes but without the weight…

  52. P.R. February 9th, 2011 6:02 pm

    I, too, was surprised nobody mentioned the G3 option. Only negatives I heard are that the Onyx lifters are prone to coming off and getting irretrievably lost in the snow, that the heel has many more parts to accommodate the greater convenience of operation, and that the toe piece is hard to lock. I have also read that G3 has solved many of the problems in the latest version: heel lifters stay on better and toe piece is easier to set (still a lot of parts in the heel, however, particularly compared to the Dynafits).

  53. Lou February 9th, 2011 6:09 pm

    P.R., main reason I didn’t mention is that they are still fiddly to get into just as a Dynafit if fiddly, and you don’t get any weight savings to speak of over a Fritschi.

  54. Maki February 10th, 2011 1:56 pm

    What Lou said. I really never got why people is raving about the Onix, kinda like the worst of both worlds IMHO.
    And the Marker Tour too, actually. Even before it was in shops a lot of people already declared the death of Fritschi. In the end they weigh the same, the Diamirs are more confortable to use (lifters, ski/walk transition, better pivot point) and usually you can have a knee fall without breaking the binding. Maybe the Markers ski a little better, but honestly I find the Diamirs ski well enough.

  55. neonorchid February 10th, 2011 5:51 pm

    Quote: “I can stay with one pair of boots (Mobes), I’m leaning toward the Marker binding. I use a DIN of 9. I was planning to go with Marker Tours, but is there any reason I should look at the Baron or Duke instead? It’s pretty unlikely these skis will ever see a set of skins”

    Dave, i’ve been grappling with the same issue for a while now. My idea was for a Marker Squire on the inbounds ski so i could use either Alpine boots or AT boots. Even if i end up preferring the AT boots it’s nice to be able to use the Alpine boots for demo days.
    I had called Marker to confirm Squire/AT boot compatibility and was they’ll work. Through the course of conversation i bought up the Tour and the guy at marker said it’s for 80% bc touring 20% resort and i’d be better off and happier with a Baron since the intent was greater then 80% inbounds. That despite my weighing only 135lbs the Tour is intended for mostly “touring” and not designed for ripping groomers.
    Then i came across a post on another forum of guy’s who tried and found the AT boots with swappable AT/Alpine soles are the only boots that fit the Squire. Reason being, it doesn’t have the “ramp height” for rockered AT soles. The guy posting tried Scarpa’s which to my eye based on photos, have allot of rocker compared to some of the others such as BD Prime/Quadrant and Dalbello Virus (i think as i haven’t tried it). The poster said he had the same trouble mating his rockered Scarpas with Duke/Baron’s for the same reason.
    I’m still processing all of this as i haven’t been able to do any touring this winter so have the time to wait for “new and improved” if that’s what it takes. I don’t have any local ski shops in my area that carries AT gear to play around with it but it’s something to think about and am sure others here can say more about AT boot non tech binding compatibility from their experiences.

  56. Ryan February 10th, 2011 10:10 pm

    I’m in the midst of doing some Quiverkiller inserts so that I can enjoy both my Dukes and Dynafits. As luck would have it, however, two screws are stuck in the toe-piece of my Dynafits. I removed the toe binding from the ski, but cannot remove two screws from the binding. They just spin in place and will not come out. I took them into a shop in Aspen and they couldn’t extract them.

    Thoughts? It seems like they’re getting stuck on the plastic portion of the Dynafit binding. I’m at a loss of what to do. All I want to do is remove the screws so I can use the ones that fit into the inserts.

  57. Lou February 10th, 2011 10:17 pm

    Ryan, you simply have to cobble up a way to push on the end of the screw firmly, while you rotate. I usually just press the whole thing down hard on my bench. Another method is to figure out a way to hold the binding base, then pull up on the actual binding while you rotate the trapped screw.

    What you’re experiencing is yet another reason why Dynafit should make those binding base holes bigger, and why we drill them out when we do a mount.

    Am surprised the ski shop couldn’t get them out. Really not a big deal.

  58. Ryan February 11th, 2011 9:48 am

    Thanks, Lou. I had a shop mount them and am gearing up to do self-mounts going forward. I’ll drill out the holes for future use. I’ve tried pushing on the screw while backing it out, but will see if I can figure out how to apply more pressure.

  59. Janne Mukkala February 20th, 2011 2:52 am

    Hi, I have a question with mounting of my Dynafit binding, following link includes few photos of it and SHOULD be able to see for all of you, http://kuorimaki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Dynafti+FT12/.

    When I step in the toe piece and lock it and then try to press my heel to lock the heel piece, it does not fit automatically. Toe and heel piece are not straight in line but heel piece is few millimeters in side. In a picture ft12_6 you can see situation where heel piece is still locked to skiboot but toe piece is open, boot is still attached to one pin of the toe piece.

    Can you tell me, based on photos attached, will this much difference between toe and heel piece cause problems with release of the binding and it’s durability?

    Hope you understand what I’m trying to say, difficult to explain with my poor english.

    Yours,

    Janne
    Finland

  60. Lou February 20th, 2011 7:32 am

    Janne, common problem caused by poor mounting procedure. Take it to a professional and have it fixed. If you’re working on it yourself, see our mounting instructions (use menu above, under “Bindings.”

  61. Janne Mukkala February 20th, 2011 9:12 am

    Okay, the photos in my gallery was small and blurry. I added two new pictures, they should tell the story. Fortunately I wasn’t the one that mounted the bindings, now I have someone else to blame :twisted: . It was our local ski shop. I sent pictures also to Dynafit in order to get some evaluation from there as well.

    I think, if one is trying to fix the mounting, there should then be used some kind of plate under the binding, because you have to move the binding maybe just a millimeter or so to get it fixed.

    http://kuorimaki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Dynafit%20FT12/

  62. Lou February 20th, 2011 9:23 am

    Jaenne, any pro will know how to align the binding. It simply involves keeping it straight while tightening the front screws…. Why am I so tired of these stories of ski shops getting it wrong?

  63. Claudia Putnam January 2nd, 2013 11:03 am

    I see that I’m late to this convo, but I thought the Dynafits WERE step-in? I step in to mine. Though the heel piece in my particular set is very stiff and I can’t turn them with my pole the way everyone else seems to.

    As for the Accesses, that’s where I’d stop you. Not sold on mine. Might as well get something with a stiffer tip IMO, though they are nice and light.

  64. Lou Dawson January 2nd, 2013 11:08 am

    Claudia, it’s just semantics. I don’t call Dynafits “step in” because when you use for touring mode you have to bend over and lock the toe. But yeah, if you don’t use a leash and going to downhill mode, you do just step in, though not as easily as a conventional step-in such as a Fritschi or nearly any alpine binding. Some companies make tech bindings that lock when you step in, with those you have to bend over and unlock if you want release in downhill mode.

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