ISPO Dynafit PR Shots — new gear

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Ok, I guess the cat is out of the bag, or at least his head and a leg. As a loyal little Dynafitter, I’m of course always careful not to jump the gun on showing their new product — lest they stick my neck in a ZZero boot cuff and leave me to sprout edelweiss. But once I see the new gear in public display such as was recently unveiled on the ISPO website, the game changes. So here are some teasers from ISPO, and tomorrow I’ll be using and fondling the real stuff, not just messing with photos.

Ispo Dynafit

I'm of course still embargoed from some of the more juicy stuff, but as you can see in the photo the binding has a bit different heel lift, and the boot looks pretty nice, eh?

Dynafit boot.

Something new and radical in the boot department, the Dy.N.A EVO. Appears to be something like the TLT 5 only without the metatarsal flex (which in my opinion did very little anyway). You'll see a lot more going on in the boot line once we can talk about it all.

Dynafit ski binding for 2011

I'm betting most of the binding changes are cosmetic, but the heel lifter looks pretty interesting and it's also got the stronger toe springs. A while back I heard a rumor the heel lifter is based on the 'Click Clack' aftermarket heel lifter that was doing the rounds a few years ago. Oh, and check out the lack of 5th screw in the toe. That'll be nice for quicker mounting, and saves a hair of weight.

See the ISPO site for more:

Here is the binding catalog copy from the ISPO site, translated by Google (amazing what a poor job Google translate still does with German):

For the winter season 2011/12 Dynafit presents the RADICAL Series greatly simplified further in the ski bindings…
Aluminum and carbon are called the light-weights in the Radical series of materials…
Within the RADICAL series of four models have been developed to cater to the needs of different types of tours:
In freeride touring is the RADICAL FT an absolute revolution in the market that any departure orient hikers convinced that the ski is in LOCK state by the interaction of carbon plate and rear rubber shock clear in its bending stiffness and offers optimum edge grip and directional stability. In the UNLOCK the natural curve of the ski is restored.

And here is some of the boot copy, with hyperbole edited out:

DYNAFIT PRESENTS A NEW HIGHLIGHT FROM ITS CORE DISCIPLINE: THE REVOLUTION RUNNING SHOE – THE DY.N.A. EVO The Dy.N.A EVO represents two years after the successful Launch of the Dy.N.A. DYNAFIT presents thereby a relevant development within the range the ski Running shoes. The manufacturer profits from experience for many years and close co-operation with the athletes from the DYNAFIT team. In the comparison to the predecessor model with the Dy.N.A EVO still more weight and the passport form was saved was continued to optimize. No other shoe at the market offers a comparable performance with such a small weight. …A very easy and fast operable buckle system. Ultra LOCK for simultaneous opening and closing of the Schaftschnalle. A short and mobile sole for ideal stop. Not only for ski route running runners DYNAFIT presents a new highlight. More boots: For the departure-oriented variant within the range FreeTouring gives it immediately with the ZZERO 4, „the GREEN MACHINE “to new flag ship a shoe. That ZZERO 4 is the first 4-Schnaller route shoe with a full carbon fibre shank. For an optimal shank rotation and mobility also in the deepest Powder.

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60 Responses to “ISPO Dynafit PR Shots — new gear”

  1. Bryce January 11th, 2011 2:02 pm

    Click clacks would have been great if they’d have worked right. Saved a bit of weight, made the heel lifters much easier to use. But it was a little too easy to click them down; sometimes it’d even happen mid-stride.

    Now that Dynafit is making similar heel lifts, they should be light, easy to use … and harder to inadvertently lower. Can’t wait to ski them.

    http://www.randogear.com

  2. Chris January 11th, 2011 2:39 pm

    A ZZERO 4/Titan mix?

  3. Christian January 11th, 2011 3:03 pm

    I am little disappointed with the bindings: I was hoping for a freeride oriented binding. For regular touring on light gear I am allready pleased, but I think it is a pitty if I have to go for dukes or alpine trekkers for the downhill oriented freeride…(i.e. a binding for 30% slope, 50% sidecountry, 20% tour – a typical ski vacation brininging only one pair,). I haven’t tried the 2010/2011 FT with the stronger spring, but the 2009/2010 FT wasn’t for me with wide skis…so I ski a narrow ski (Mustagh Ata SL).
    BUT: still hoping that there are more than what I can read from the ISPO site.

    The shoes: have the TLT5P, so very pleased for touring…. but the titan ultralight might be on the list if I find that the bindings work for “charging freeride” – i.e. for the combo described above. But with dukes or at’s I can just go for alpine boots or regular titans as the weight game is pretty much lost anyway.

  4. Greg Louie January 11th, 2011 11:20 pm

    Seriously, they need to hire a native English speaker to write those press releases.

  5. aviator January 11th, 2011 11:38 pm

    @greg
    LOL, that must be a press release in german that LOU ran through google translate for us….

  6. cerveza January 12th, 2011 12:15 am

    I’d like to see a boot like this made for us cornfed americans, the TLT5 seems to have the last of a balarina slipper.

  7. Greg Louie January 12th, 2011 12:42 am

    Na ja, ich liebe diese 4-Schnaller Schühe mit Carbon oben . . .

  8. Lou January 12th, 2011 12:43 am

    Yeah, I just ran those through Google and deleted a few totally nonsensical results. Mostly, I put it in there so we’d have the official names, not really much information. I have more info but out of courtesy to my hosts here I’ll of course only divulge it when allowed.

  9. cory January 12th, 2011 9:39 am

    Just wondering if the heel piece now allows the rider to transfer from tour to lock-down without having to un-do the toe piece?

  10. Lou January 12th, 2011 10:02 am

    Cory, as far as I can tell, you still have to come out to change from downhill to tour mode unless you use the old trick that works if you don’t have brakes (which is I think what you meant?)

    Culture of Dynafit is that they simply do not understand any need for on-the-fly change of modes. I understand that it’s sometimes nice to have this, as with Onyx, though I rarely really miss having it myself.

  11. dflory January 12th, 2011 10:35 am

    Just acquired an old pair of Black Diamond “SKYHOY” bindings, and want to mount them to some old skis.

    Can anyone help me find a mounting template? I contacted Black Diamond, and they don’t have any.

  12. Jordo January 12th, 2011 11:20 am

    Lou, looks like going from tour to downhill on the new Radical requires taking skis off or bending down? No pole hole? Argh.

  13. Jonathan Shefftz January 12th, 2011 11:34 am

    Skyhoy help? Yes, trash them before they trash your boots. See the old TelemarkTips reviews for details. (Then again, if you trash your tele boots, maybe you’ll replace them with some nice boots, i.e., AT!)
    I often see a pair of Skyhoy bindings – for a close-up view of their owner, visit the Berkshire East website and wait until the rotating pictures show a bearded old fellow with very odd goggles.

  14. Summit January 12th, 2011 4:04 pm

    I wonder if the new dynafit elevator system will interfere with the super easy pole-grip-twist method of going from tour to ski mode without stepping out?

    It looks like it definitely could… on the other hand, quick switching between elevator modes would be sweet. I miss that from Naxos.

  15. Federico January 12th, 2011 4:43 pm

    Just for your info guys this ugly english text has not been written from Dynafit… we have american and english guys in our company which knows how to write a perfect text!…

  16. Greg Louie January 12th, 2011 5:28 pm

    Just playin’ with you, Federico!

    But I’d be happy to write the copy for a pair of Titan Superlights . . .

  17. Harry January 12th, 2011 8:49 pm

    Frederico….

    Perfect English yes! But sometimes things seem to get lost in the translation to American english.

    Case in point would be Dynafit “competence” centers. Are the rest of the shops incompetent? less than competent?

    In the context of american english, competent implies achieving a minimum standard, and a failure to reach that minimum standard reflects poorly on the shops that are not “competence” centers.

    Also, what a “competence center” really is is not clearly stated. If all of your other dealers are not competent, why allow them to sell your product?
    The consumer is left to wonder if the “competence” is knowledge related? Quality related? Are the other dealers just boneheads?

    Call them something else!

    Repositories of awesomeness? I dunno, it is a lot easier to criticise the ideas of others than to come up with a better one.

  18. Frame January 13th, 2011 10:46 am

    English – smart arse
    American English – smart ass

    I don’t think anyone is really confused over what competence centres (note spelling – English English) are.

    I think having the knowledge of how a dynafit binding works and it’s intricacies takes competence in that binding or tech type bindings, additional to what a store selling ski and snowboard bindings in general would have.
    That knowledge of how it works and the intricacies is part of what makes Wildsnow so useful and popular.

  19. Harry January 13th, 2011 1:26 pm

    The world of Dynafit extends far beyond Wildsnow and the preferences of users of this site. Even if Wildsnow was your only resource for backcountry information it would put you in an upper tier of knowledge compared to your average consumer of gear.

    Backcountry is the new “race” in the world of skiing. High intermediates looking to make the jump to experts aspire to be the types of skiiers that use that equipment.

    Many of these customers are unfamiliar with what a backcountry product is, how it functions, and what the product catagories are. Their first indtroduction to the terminaloy is from websites, often those of the dealer.

    Eachtime Dynafit improves its website and dealer search we see an increase in customers who are comming to our shop to find out about the equipment. What they have already read heavily influences their attitude towards what we say to them, and what they are interested in purchasing.

    If a company is going to tier their dealers it should be clear what the upper tier does to be so, and presented in a way that does not reflect negativley on the dealers that do not qualify.

    To portray the majority of dealers as other than competent does not help anyone.

    Dynafit gets better at servicing the north american market each year, but there is always room for improvement.

  20. Lou January 13th, 2011 3:11 pm

    Actually, if one walks into a dealer without the “buyer beware” attitude, my opinion is they’re making a big mistake.

  21. Wick January 13th, 2011 4:08 pm

    Amen Harry…we have a Killer backcountry shop here in Gunnison….I don’t believe they are a “Dynafit Competence” officially “tagged” store but they will blow away most other stores that try to carry the Dynafiddle line….confusing

  22. Greg Moellmer January 13th, 2011 7:19 pm

    Ever since my friends and I bought TLT 5′s this year I’ve been trying to convince them that the acti-flex is just marketing non-sense. One friend insists that he can “feel” it helping. I feel so vindicated now that Dynafit is dropping it from their new race boot. I can’t wait to rub it in.

  23. Christian January 14th, 2011 3:26 am

    That dynafit is dropping the flex on the race boot was surprising for me. I have the tlt5p. I do feel the flex when skiing downhill. It is both positive and negative (less vibration, but also slightly less reactive). I do also imagine that it has some effekt on the flats (I can kick and glide a little better than in my zzeros), but going up I haven’t really noticed. Going up a weight save would probably be more important.

  24. aviator January 14th, 2011 5:10 am

    when it gets steeper and there is no kick n glide anymore the flex IS stealing energy, and is def NOT helping on the up.
    it was weird dynafit put in the flex on dyna and tlt5
    and didn’t look more at gignoux 444 from the start?

  25. Lou January 14th, 2011 8:03 am

    I’ve never thought the flex was a big deal and found that it sucked up quite a bit of energy while using F1 for anything but lower angled stuff. I believe Dynafit’s flex in TLT 5 is more of a marketing feature than something that makes much difference for most people in terms of efficiency. But that’s just my opinion, Dynafit party line is of course the opposite. Main point is that plenty of excellent racers use boots without metatarsal flex, so it must work. Hence, new Dynafit Evo boot is viable. Oh, and by the way, they’re pretty cool but man do they cost some coin.

  26. Federico January 14th, 2011 10:44 am

    … The flex zone helps on the climb and doesn’t interfer on the downhill, it was a precise choice done more than 3 years ago when the weight reference for a race boot was higher than 1kg and all racers WANTED a flex zone.
    It works perfectly on the TLT5 and the consumer appreciation level and sales results, high like never before, are confirming that it was the right choice.
    Commenting 3 years after, when the market is changed is pretty easy but makes a little sense… The difficult part is making the newest and innovative things before having seen them on the market and years before the others ;-)

    The weight reference now on racing boots is decreased impressivly and the flex zone is not important anymore if it can save 100gr.
    That is the reason why there is no more flex on the DyNA EVO… by the way guys… that boot is made for racing and for racers so makes no sense to think about driving wide skis and stuff like that with it. TLT5 and all the other boots are made for that purpose.

    Fede

  27. Lou January 14th, 2011 10:54 am

    What cracks me up about this wide vs narrow ski debate, is that as far as I can tell it’s actually easier and requires less energy to “drive” a ski such as Manaslu than to work a much narrower ski. Am wondering how much of this whole thing about boots not being big enough for certain skis is about style, rather than cold hard engineering fact. In other words, when you get out on a big ski perhaps you expect yourself to do certain things that require a larger boot, but are optional. Or put another way, if a rando racer is going 120 kph on tiny skis with tiny boots, I’d say that boot is being asked to do quite a bit, and might even do it for a wider ski… Just thinking…

  28. Federico January 14th, 2011 11:23 am

    Lou, if you’re a good skier you don’t need a stiff boot to drive anything… I’ve seen guys like basti haag and many others jumping down from cliffs and skiing full speed on powder with super light race boots…
    But if somebody is looking for a stiff boot the DyNA Evo is not made to be that and it’s not made to drive ANY kind of wide ski, it’s simply what it is, a ski running race boot… it’s not made to be warm, it’s not made to fit everybody, it’s not made to be stiff. it’s made to be LIGHT, DURABLE, AND NOT TO BRAKE after 2 races…

    To drive a skinny (as you call them) ski mainly going straight you need a boot wich is very stiff backward and torsionally… while to drive wide skis on powder at high speed you also need a good forward flex support.
    A race boot as the Evo, which is not made for freeride will not offer high forward support, just enough as required from the athlets which are testing it.

    Of course if a skier has a perfect central position the EVO will be fine for everything as it’s a pretty good boot on the descent ;-)

    And don’t forget that the new generation of world cup ski running racers have a backround coming from alpine races and a few of them, even if pretty young, are also ski (downhill) instructor… so if they goes so fast with those gears is because the are really TOP skiers and they have legs which can absorb any kind of force what most of other skiers don’t have ;-)

  29. Wick January 14th, 2011 11:34 am

    Hell yeah Fede! :-)

  30. aviator January 14th, 2011 11:37 am

    @fede
    gignoux has sold his boots since 2006 and has been the weight reference since.
    the dynafit dyna boot is a race boot.
    why the flex in the dyna?

  31. Federico January 14th, 2011 12:56 pm

    If I’m not wrong Gignoux is doing his boots since much before 2006, in that times anyway 0,1% of the racers were using it, and most of them only for the weight and were complaining about the lack of flex zone like on the f1 and about some durability problems.
    Now the things are changed let’s say, still a very smal percentage of racers are anyway using gignoux, approx 1% and most of them are happy with it, some others not for several reasons.
    Anwyay gignoux will always be the reference in terms of weight. We don’t believe for several resons a full carbon shell is a good technical choice.
    And beinng Salewa + Dynafit a huge company with a strong reputation our customers will not accept a claim percentage of 50-70%. From us they expect 100% perfect and durable products.
    Trust me, it would be pretty easy to make a gignoux copy but we are sure that offering a boot which is light enough to be used in the world cup and durable, skiable also on difficult and technical descent and super TRUSTABLE is the right choice for us.
    Then of course the market is a free place and everybody can chose the right things in base of his needs/expectation.
    ciao

  32. aviator January 14th, 2011 1:03 pm

    I guess it depends on which “racers” we are talking about. :mrgreen:
    ” Reiner says: February 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Just did a WC race and there wasnt 1 Dyna boot in the entire race! About 90% of the ISMF atheltes had PG boots with a few scarpas and the odd Sportiva”
    http://www.skintrack.com/gear-tech/new-carbon-ski-boot-lasportiva-stratos/

  33. Federico January 14th, 2011 1:04 pm

    Ah sorry aviator, I missed one point… maybe I expain myself badly… the flex zone on the DyNA was the right choice at that time and still is the right choice for its weight target, approx 950gr… for lighter gear it’s not.

  34. Federico January 14th, 2011 1:07 pm

    Aviator… those racers at the WC race doesn’t buy the boots and the represent exactly the 1% of the total I said…
    You will see things changin also there in the next seasons anyway.

  35. aviator January 14th, 2011 1:20 pm

    Maybe Dynafit made the right choices for selling boots, but not the right choices for making the best boot? :D
    Just maybe…

    And maybe we all forgot where we came from here.
    Christian said he was surprised the flex is gone.
    Me and Lou said we were surprised dynafit started with it.
    That is all.

    Flex is unnecessary.
    Dynafit didn’t have it before the dyna.
    You should simplify and get the weight down instead of adding “cool” stuff.
    I don’t care if it will be Dynafit. It probably wont.
    Someone SHOULD be making a gignoux copy AND beef them up with some 100 grams of aramid in critical places.
    It would be a HIT guaranteed. :P

  36. Federico January 14th, 2011 1:21 pm

    We will see ;-)

  37. Dave C. January 14th, 2011 1:35 pm

    I’m very, very happy with my TLT 5 Mountains. I’ve even done some nordic skiing in them! I think the tiny amount of flex helps with that, and I’m glad it’s there. Thank you, Dynafit!

  38. aviator January 14th, 2011 2:01 pm

    @Dave
    I think it’s 99% cuff rotation angle and less than 1% flex which makes your nordic skiing work.

    The gignoux / f1 revolution was about the cuff rotation angle which made possible a “nordic” stride never seen before in hard plastic boots. Not the bellows on the f1. Many people are confused about this.

    And the success of the dyna/tlt5 was again about the massive cuff rotation angle. Again, not the flex.

  39. gillesleskieur January 14th, 2011 3:00 pm

    A gignoux copy with aramid… when everyone already whine s about the price of the TLT5…. mmm good idea… ;-)

    I like the flex when doing technical climbing in the mountains to access some lines.
    just my 2 cents

  40. Christian January 14th, 2011 5:08 pm

    Very heated debate! I also like the tlt5-flex when booting. I guess that for an average joe like myself, comfort also plays a role. The tlt5p is a true gem – at least for me, as I am more in the zzero4 c segment and not in the gignoux segment.

    Regarding flex and the ability to drive wide skis. Sure, it has something to do with how you ski them, My alpine boots have flex of 130+ and can feel too soft for my (fis)race skis – which I am able to ski way harder than my freerides. Because of torsional skiflex it is usually not possible to ski a wide ski as hard as a narrow ski – it just isn’t able to “grab” the snow as well. The snow is usually also more forgiving when wide skis are the correct choice. But a wide ski also puts a lot more torsional force on the boot when skied on hard surfaces when skied in a similar way as a slimmer ski….it is just harder to get up onto the edge.

  41. Lou January 15th, 2011 1:10 am

    Well, boots, never a boring subject! I’d say again that for low angled touring, it is fantastic to have lots of metatarsal flex in a boot, such as with leather nordic touring boots. If I did more of that type of touring, I’d be in my F1s quite a bit more, and I know quite a few people who have F1 setups for things like doing the trails to and between the 10th Mountain huts in Colorado, which are basically nordic style tours with mountains above you if you have the right gear for that option. Thus, an F1 or TLT5 setup with a Dynafit Speed bindings and medium weight/width ski can really be the ticket. Still a bit much for the nordic trails perhaps, but able to convert to ski mountaineering mode on the peaks above.

  42. carlo January 15th, 2011 2:38 am

    Federico, can you tell us if new EVO will have same sloe lenght as the old dyna? will same size fit same skis? (27 27.5 is still 297mm.?)
    tlt5 perf will be the same next sesaon too , right?

  43. carlo January 15th, 2011 2:46 am

    one more question federico:
    100gr. difference just for the flex zone or the whole boot ? in case is the flex zone, which is the total weight save of EVO? (I see the velcro on top and probaly other differences….)

  44. Jonathan Shefftz January 15th, 2011 11:31 am

    Stop raining on my ActiFlex parade!
    Seriously though, last spring & summer, I especially impressed by how well the DyNA felt off snow. Now, how much is attributable to the cuff rotation, sole rocker, shorter bsl, and ActiFlex is hard to say. I wonder though just how much additional weight the ActiFlex adds? (Comparing the DyNA to the upcoming Evo doesn’t seem valid, since sounds like the Evo also compromising skiing ability in addition to losing the flex zone?)

  45. aviator January 15th, 2011 12:39 pm

    so what we really wanna know is what does the dyna evo weigh?
    the old dyna weighs:
    924g (26.0) (jonathan real world pair 4 lb1.2oz)
    or 920g (27,0 published) or 950g (27,5 published)

    and fede said:
    “the new Dy.N.A. EVO looks similar but it’s all new… and much much much lighter”
    how much is much? and how much is much much much?

  46. Lou January 15th, 2011 1:22 pm

    I think what’s going on with Evo is they don’t really have it in true production, so it’s difficult to get an accurate enough weight. Fede even told me they were not sure exactly what the liner would weigh. BUT, they’re also in competition with the Scarpa Alien in somewhat of a weight war, so to publish weight now gives the competition a target… nonetheless I think we’ll hear a weight soon enough. When picking them up, they’re incredibly light.

  47. Federico January 17th, 2011 4:12 pm

    AS I said, flex is great! works fine on technical climb and doesn’t interfer at all on the downhill performances. We tested that a lot and trust me with top top top skiers, not only speed racers, also hard core downhillers…
    The decision to remove it was for the need of lightness of the new EVO boot.
    We will not reveal the final weight still for a few week but it’s quite light.

  48. carlo January 18th, 2011 2:24 am

    federico can you just tell us about the sole lenght? will same size of boot fit same bindings?

  49. federico January 18th, 2011 8:05 am

    Ciao Carlo, it depends on your feet… the new sell will have a different sizes scale compared our standards. This means that one shell will fit 26,5 and 27.. another one 27,5 and 28.
    So for example if your old DyNA / TLT5 was a size 27 you will have a shell which is approx 1cm shorter, if you had a 27,5 your shell will be neraly the same lenght.
    Honestly I normally fit pretty on the limit DyNA 27,5 and I’m using now the shorter lenght of shell, 1cm smaller and I can fit on it… let’s say I will not use that for a long tour on a cold day but super TOP for a race or a training.
    Ciao

  50. Lou January 18th, 2011 8:10 am

    What Fede said, the Evo is amazingly light, just crazy. When you pick it up you can’t believe it. I think this technology has a huge amount of potential, and will filter down from the race boots quite quickly. In my opinion carbon fiber composite is still the gold standard for the ultimate in less mass combined with strength, but injection molding just makes so much sense…

  51. carlo January 18th, 2011 9:34 am

    thank you federico,
    may i just ask one question: why don’t you boot producer try to help by keeping same sole lenghts? why did you make the new 27.5 NEARLY same?
    I understand if you go 1 cm shorter, but what about trying to keep some mesures? Couldn’t you make the 27.5 same as old at least so if one doesn’t want to throw away a 1000$ ski he can take a half nummer up and fix with inner shoe? you know race skis cannot adjust bindings…(same did 2 years ago scarpa making the F1 3 mm. shorter for same sizes, result: a ton of ski to garbage ….)
    it is very disappointing to talk straight to you. we feel we are treated as milk cows
    Still thanks so much for all your help

  52. Federico January 19th, 2011 5:30 am

    Carlo, I understand your comment and I agree it’s a problem!… but when we make boots we have to make them the best as possible and the sole lenght is a resulting measure of the developement process which ideally should be as short as possible for much better climbing performances.
    Let’s say first we do the internal last… afterward we stard to build the boots adding less thicnkess possible in base of the final result we want to get… and once done we build the mould, inject it.. .and after we get the boots we measure the sole lenght.
    Plus you have also to consider the materials you use, for instance if we inject the new EVO material on the old DyNA mould it will result nearly 2mm longer as this new super stiffer material has a much lower retirement compared with the old.
    So I agree with you that it will be better to keep always the same lenght…but we can’t limitate ourself on this and we need to make the best products.

  53. carlo January 19th, 2011 6:16 am

    thanks federico,
    sorry but i still think that dyanfit should be able to engeneer the best possible product controlling a 1- 2mm. distance in inserts and heel.
    I would understend if you were a small french artisan ;)
    but you are not, you want to be the leader of this market and you are a strong, big company.
    i just do not understand if you just do not care at all or you make on purposely make in order to sell some more skis… still a bad choice as I am sure you loose more boots sales than you might gain in skis (probably mr trabucchi will enjoy! hope he sends you a bottle for christmas ;) !!)

  54. Federico January 19th, 2011 12:00 pm

    Carlo, you can think what you like… but the worldwide the persons which owns an old TLT5 or DyNA and which to change for the new EVO without changing ski are probably 20 … so not really a big issue.
    We have to make the best products, and shorter sole lenght is a MUST!…
    Anyway if for you it’s a problem you can solve it easily just take the EVO of the same sole lenght of your older DyNA and put the old liner in. Fit will become very similar.
    The only think we made on purpose are the best possible products, we are not interestend in making Trab selling more skis…
    As regards other brands of course everybody have different sole lenghts and technology … we can’t make all the same stuff.

  55. gillesleskieur January 19th, 2011 12:28 pm

    @ fede… thanks for NOT making all the same products… :lol:

  56. Lou January 19th, 2011 4:56 pm

    What Gilles said!

  57. Walt January 20th, 2011 1:03 am

    Lou,
    It lacks the 5th hole at the toe. But is the rest of the hole pattern exactly the same?

  58. Lou January 20th, 2011 6:53 am

    Front pair of screws 6 mm ahead of old… far enough away to drill a new pair in the ski…

  59. Walt January 21st, 2011 1:25 pm

    If that’s the case, how do these mount on dynafit skis with inserts like the manaslu? I like ny bindings just where they are.

  60. Brian H. February 8th, 2011 10:38 am

    Hey all, unrelated to this partic. post, but I’m writing it under “gear tidbits”: anybody know of an o.t.g. goggle that doesn’t mash your glasses onto the bridge of your nose? I gotta face the music…old eyes blah blah.

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