Dynafit Inserts Tech Tip — What To Do When Glue Filled


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Dynafit ski binding screw inserts.

Cutting skin over insert using sharp utility knife.

Let’s hear it for honesty. I like Dynafit’s factory installed ski binding screw inserts. But nothing is perfect. Word from Dynafit is they’re using more glue when installing the inserts so they’re more reliable, but sometimes the glue fills the insert partially or fully and it thus needs to be drilled out (you can’t just force a screw in in that situation.) Here is the procedure.

Backcountry skiing ski binding drill bit.

3.6 x 9 mm specialized ski drill bit with integrated stop.

1. Identify your insert pattern according to boot sole length (see Dynafit insert sticker on top sheet of ski, or just evaluate by placing binding and boot on ski in a dry run).

2. Cut rounded insert surface area “skin” over insert with sharp utility knife.

3. If there is strong resistance (cutting is not possible), the insert is probably filled with resin (glue). In this case, the insert must be opened by drilling with a common drill bit (drill diameter 3.6mm x 9mm long) before inserting binding screws while mounting binding. If you don’t have a ski drill bit, you can use a 9/64 inch bit with stop collar, or a #28 machine bit with stop collar.

4. Likewise, if you are able to knife open the “skin” over the insert, probe with a small sharp object and make sure insert bore is not partially blocked. If it is, again, clear with drill bit. Remember that you only need to clear to 9 mm, no farther, so when probing keep that in mind.

5. Attach the binding.

6. Insert and tighten screws by hand, not a driver-drill (insert can be damaged if turning force is higher than 5 Nm, 3.7 foot pounds).

Here at Wildsnow we recommend using a small amount of low grade hardware store epoxy to install screws in Dynafit inserts. This lubricates the screws as they go in, thus preventing insert damage. To remove, warm screws with soldering iron to release the epoxy. Be aware that lubricated screws may require even less force during insertion, and by the same token be easier to strip.

Comments

62 Responses to “Dynafit Inserts Tech Tip — What To Do When Glue Filled”

  1. Landshard November 27th, 2010 2:06 pm

    I got the Stoke and I am wondering if the inserts are made so you can use them repeatedly. For example, using 1 binding set up for a quiver of skis.

  2. Jonathan Shefftz November 27th, 2010 3:12 pm

    Best case is supposed to be around five times, so definitely not.

  3. Lou November 27th, 2010 4:24 pm

    Inserts are like adjustable ski poles, the concept is cool, but some folks who put inserts in or use factory inserts will discover they actually don’t swap bindings around as much as they thought they were going to, as doing so is still an extra step in the day, and takes about 10 times more time than changing your ski pole length… something to think about anyway…

  4. Tom November 27th, 2010 8:33 pm

    Landshard,

    I had a pair of 182 stokes last spring, and went to swap bindings for this season. When I removed the bindings, two of the screws pulled out with the plastic threads (ie, part of the binding insert, which was then striped for future use).

    Needless to say, I think that was an isolated circumstance, but don’t assume you’ll get 5 mounts out of those skis. I have been told by the Dynafit folks, and would assume, 1 or 2 to be safe.

  5. Christian November 28th, 2010 8:13 am

    Any plans for a review of the skis on the picture? I presume it is the Broad Peaks…

  6. skian November 28th, 2010 8:32 am

    Inserts on Dynafit skis are made for retention not for swapping out. Unlike the inserts we had at K2 with the Telemark project. There you had metal to metal contact and you just used loctite. Removal was a piece of cake. Here you have metal, epoxy, plastic… best to not look at this as an option in my opinion. You can do this if you like but its sketchy. I k now im going to see all these threads “Ive done mine 6 times.” i Just think it’s tampering with the retention values too much.

    Would also love to see Wild Snow review the broad Peak! I am sure it will come that ski is right up their alley.

    One thing also I would say on this is even if you can puncture the top film with a knife the glue will pool down low. I recommend shooting all inserts with a 3.5×9.0. I have seen a few posts on tilty toes here and i believe this is the issue. A little extra care and a tad bit more time on the mount makes the process easier.

  7. Lou November 28th, 2010 9:21 am

    Once one did a nice aligned binding mount on Dynafit inserts, I’m thinking they could be easily changed to something like Quiver Killer…

  8. Mark November 28th, 2010 9:28 am

    I have to admit I am disappointed to hear that the Dynafit inserts cannot handle frequent swaps. It seems to me that the combination of multi-disciplinary skiers and specialized skis is going to make swappable inserts/plates much more desirable and marketable.

  9. skian November 28th, 2010 9:31 am

    As Lou said… This is my personal opinion. Take it for what its worth.

  10. Francis November 28th, 2010 9:43 am

    Great thoughts/advice on the inserts Lou. Useful info as always.
    Now if we could only get Dynafit to ramp up their production. Hard to ski on something that’s been “out of stock” since September….

  11. skian November 28th, 2010 9:45 am

    Whats been out of stock? Stores are loaded. Where do you live I’ll find you something.

  12. Lou November 28th, 2010 9:50 am

    My opinion is that with care not to over-tighten screws, and with use of epoxy each time, Dynafit inserts can be re-used at least 6 or 8 times by normal skiers of normal size. Main thing I’ve seen is they get easier and easier to strip due to the use of thread cutting screws, so you have to be gentle. But yes, Dynafit does NOT tout their inserts as a consumer binding swapping system, it’s simply intended to make mounting easier and eliminate ski weight by the ski not needing a big huge mount reinforcement plate. Indeed, the latter is in my opinion the main reason Dynafit goes to the trouble and expense of providing inserts. Oh, and Dynafit also claims their inserts have more holding power than conventional screw bores. Due to my own experiences with spinners and stripping, I have to wonder about the last claim, though in my experience the inserts are certainly as good as conventional binding screw installation, and yes, on some skis I’ve used them multiple times.

  13. Lou November 28th, 2010 9:52 am

    Yeah Francis, if you’re going to make statements like that, at least give us something concrete to back it up.

  14. skian November 28th, 2010 9:56 am

    Lou, that’s why you have this post on inserts. Dynafit is listening and working hard to improve the insert development. Ferrari didn’t make the Dino on his first attempt.:)

  15. Jonathan Shefftz November 28th, 2010 10:45 am

    Ian, after drilling, do you also tap the hole?

    As for sold-out stock, usually I wouldn’t write anything about this in public (see the standard Fight Club reference — and I ever had an email exchange about this previously w/ Francis), but given the recent “glossary” post here about it, and since both Lou and Ian are pushing the issue, if a company is going to maintain a pro purchase website, then posting prices in early September, yet having no 2010-11 product in stock by late November, and intending never to stock some listed product yet not making any note on the website, well, although I understand the tension between stock retailers vs pros, this just doesn’t seem to be good management of that tension.

  16. skian November 28th, 2010 11:45 am

    Jonathon, I don’t make excuses for Dynafit not having product for Pro’s. Not my Job. But let’s help you understand what is going on. Retail customers rule, Retailers as in the thread about top shops need this product to make things happen. We are blessed with early fresh snow across the country and Dynafit is also blessed with having the most sought after product this season..IMO. This lead to a run by Media like nothing I have seen in years for a new product launch. Also that lead to Increased asap from retailers (many of which have not been supplied).
    We tread a fine line as the comical bro deal thread on this site states. Who is pro who is no. Well let me give you my 2 cent’s
    1. a Pro is a glycerin sniffer making 10 bucks an hour sometimes risking his life to open up runs and save peoples butt when they get over their head. One who gets up at O’dark thirty and lives to ski soo much they work on them to. I would say it’s if you work on a mountain on your skis or a Guide teaching people in the backcountry.
    2. a Bro deal is an industry insider (lot’s of interpretation here)
    3. Influencer, Someone who lives to ski locally. Has a great attitude! can help a local shop and bring in business.
    4. Media, real media go through PR.

    So for me most of these but media go through their retail shop partner. If someone is a legend and needs no introduction i still let the local retailer know.
    Remember pro deal is a gift from any manufacture not a right. I don’t want want nostrils to flair but a pro is only worth the deal if he can help drive sales locally. This is why I try and run all pro’s through pro nights at local retailers. Creating the Milk circle?? Anybody heard me say this before??
    If it’s going off and you cant get this on the Pro site. If your a local pro go into your local retailer and be an asset. They will either see value in you or not. Not my call…It’s their market.

  17. skian November 28th, 2010 11:53 am

    Sorry Jonathon. As for tapping I do. But I’m anal.
    I don’t remount bindings though, I lock them an load . That might be a question for Lou.

  18. Lou November 28th, 2010 11:55 am

    Jonathan and Skian, it probably would be good if you took some of that discussion private since this is not a BtoB website. But the general explanations do help everyone understand things. Another thing that should always be made clear is that if you shop diligently, you can frequently find gear that’s priced the same or less than pro deals. Our family still gets quite a bit of stuff that way.

  19. Lou November 28th, 2010 11:56 am

    Jonathan and all, no need for tapping the Dynafit insert holes, typical binding screws are thread cutting and do just fine. If you tap the holes you end up removing extra material that the thread cutter screws just compress and move, thus the tap weakens the holding power in my opinion. I’ve done fresh mounts on a number of Dynafit skis with inserts, and never felt a need to tap the holes. In fact, doing so seemed counter intuitive.

  20. John Gloor November 28th, 2010 9:38 pm

    Lou, do you have any data on the strength of the Dynafit inserts versus metal inserts with machine thread screws? I am thinking of using metal inserts on my next mount on some wider skis.

  21. Kelly November 28th, 2010 10:08 pm

    Lou – I have been thinking about getting a pair of Stokes and am intrigued with your idea of retrofitting the dynafit inserts with metal inserts. Do you have any plans to try this out in the near future? Seems like a great idea….

  22. Walt November 28th, 2010 10:49 pm

    There is an option, Landshard. Sell you dynafits and get G3 onyxs. They have a seperate mounting plate that is super easy to switch from ski to ski. You will have to buy an extra set of mounting plates, but then you can swap bindings to other skis in a minute. Plus, you will get a much more reliable and trustworthy binding than the Dynafit which is prone to pre-releases in the toe piece. But there is a 1 pound weight penalty. But that’s really just the same as carrying an extra pint of water …. not too bad. Any way, good luck.

  23. skian November 28th, 2010 10:59 pm

    Woe Walt! marketing BS and reality. Lets not start making claims here unless you have thorough testing. I am not going there.
    How much weight do you carry uphill over a 4000 foot ascent with a pound on each foot?
    Dynafit binding has the lowest return for defect ratio in the category. Reliable and trustworthy!

  24. Oskar J November 29th, 2010 1:06 am

    Hey Lou,

    I’m in the process of mounting my new Stokes. I have 26.5 shells and it seems to me comparing to my other Dynafit mounted skis that I want to be on the furthest forward holes for the toe piece. Unfortunatly that puts the heel piece too far away for my boots size. What is up??? What do You think of drilling new holes in front of the heel inserts to make it work???

  25. Lou November 29th, 2010 7:32 am

    Try the holes that work and see how they ski. Give it a few days, not just one run. If you don’t like that set of holes and that boot position, yeah, you can drill new holes with care. But it sounds like you are over-analyzing things.

  26. Lou November 29th, 2010 7:40 am

    Gloor, the Dynafit inserts are definitely stronger than regular binding screws, so long as they are not stripped or turned into “spinners.” Metal inserts, when installed properly, are way strong as well. You been pulling bindings off skis?

    One could develop data on strength of metal inserts vs Dynafit type, but it would be difficult to do so as you’d have to install the metal inserts in exactly the same substrate as the Dynafit inserts, with the same topskin composition. But I did see some tests of the Dynafit inserts, including photos of testing to destruction, and again, they are strong — stronger than regular screws in same place.

    Now, all that said, I was mounting the BD Drifts the other day and noticed they had a binding reinforcement plate that’s appears to be 3 millimeters or so of HDP or another plastic. I’d imagine this is so folks mounting for tele can use tow truck cables and no binding release, and stay in the binding during huge falls or avalanche rides. Whatever. Point is that a regular binding screw in that kind of substrate might possibly be as strong as using an insert. So, stating the obvious, much of this is dictated by WHAT the screw is screwed into…

  27. Oskar J November 29th, 2010 2:58 pm

    Hey Lou,

    Thanks for Your thoughts. I skied the early model of the Stoke Last year and found that the existing plates were way back on the ski. Not a huge deal skiing downhill but very noticable breaking trail (deep tip dive). That is why I want to be as far up the ski as possible.

  28. brian p. harder November 29th, 2010 6:50 pm

    This question is tangential. Put it in “all things Dynafit”.

    My wife is pulling the trigger on the new TLT 5 boots. As we know, they are hard to come by early this season. I secured a pair of the non-carbon versions last night in her size just to be safe but we are contemplating the merits of the carbon versions.
    Now, I have seen weight quotes on BC.com at 2 lbs 5 ounces per pair and 4 lbs 10 ounces per pair on Mountain Gear.com. BTW, on that same MG page they also list the 2 lbs 5 oz. version. WTF? We need a tie breaker here and I know one of you can provide it. The difference is significant, obviously, so we want our money well spent. If the carbon versions are really 3 lbs lighter than the plastic ones, I’m down for the extra $. I’m also quite jealous.

    So, who knows the real weights???

    Thanks for the help.

  29. Lou November 29th, 2010 6:56 pm

    Gad! This weight thing continues to be a bad joke. Jonathan has more experience with TLT 5 than I do. J.S., what’s your take buddy?

  30. Jonathan Shefftz November 29th, 2010 7:17 pm

    Just a silly typo — they mean 2 lb 5 oz per single boot.

  31. John Gloor November 29th, 2010 7:26 pm

    Lou, I have not had any trouble with my Dynafit bindings, but they are on relatively narrow 88mm skis. My new skis will be somewhere between 105-115 mm underfoot and I have read on TGR of problems with Dynafits on fatter skis. Is there any truth to this? The problem would probably come from long sidehills on hard snow where the wide ski would have some leverage on the binding. This is why I am interested in metal inserts.

  32. Jon Moceri November 29th, 2010 9:36 pm

    John, I have been skiing the Dynafit Speed binding on my K2 Coomba’s that are 102 mm waist without any problems. This includes steep icy chutes and deep heavy cascade cement.

    Also, I just mounted the Dynafit Speed on my K2 Pontoons (130 mm waist) and think they ski better with the Dynafits. I had the Marker Baron binding on it before.

    I’ve skied both skis in my new Dynafit TLT 5 Mountain ski boot (1,226 grams or 2 lbs 11.25 oz for the size 26.5). My boot has the TF-X liner. Plenty of boot to drive the Pontoons. Of course, I’m more of a balanced finesse skier (lots of good coaching) so your needs for a bigger boot may vary.

    I tell you, the weight reduction on my feet skiing is noticeable. The skis, especially the Pontoons, are much more playful now.

  33. Lou November 29th, 2010 10:29 pm

    John, I think there is a problem here with causality. Show me a person that posts on TGR who does not ski on fairly wide skis. People have always ripped bindings off of skis, now they are ripping them off wide skis. There could be a lot of reasons for that. Wide skis, perhaps. But I just don’t see it as a big deal. I know hundreds of skiers who are using Dynafits with great success on all sorts of ski widths, and I’m just not seeing any sort of trend of failed binding screws.

    Like I keep saying, Dynafits are not for everyone. If someone on TGR can’t handle them, Marker is available.

  34. John Gloor November 29th, 2010 11:24 pm

    Lou, very few people on that site are down on Dynafits. The general feel is that they are the best touring binding out there for real touring and not just side country skiing. I think you are right about the causes of screws pulling out though. That stuff sometimes happens. I was just searching for more info and asking if this was a real issue.

    Why do you feel Dynafit changed to a more expensive and stronger mounting system, which introduces more holes to the ski? I am presuming all these insert holes are drilled into the finished ski. While inserts make for a stronger binding to ski fit, is there a price to pay in ski strength? I am playing the devils advocate here. (PS, I am considering the Stoke and the Zealot for my new skis)

  35. John Gloor November 30th, 2010 12:09 am

    EDIT
    Are the inserts only for installation ease, since screws apparently work fine?

  36. John Gloor November 30th, 2010 12:46 am

    sorry about beating a dead horse here. This article http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203457&highlight=dynafit+plates mentions Dynafit recommending a separate plate they make for skis over 90mm.

  37. Lou November 30th, 2010 7:03 am

    John, it’s just a wider binding platform for the toe, it does not change screw pattern and I doubt it does anything of significance — or anything at all. I mean, look at it this way, a wider platform also gives the SKI more leverage, thus canceling out any gains in leverage for the binding. In other words, just because it’s called a “binding” plate doesn’t make it work any more for you than it does against you. At least that’s my seat-of-pants engineering take.

    If you’re worried about binding pullout, perhaps consider metal inserts.

    I’ve been waiting for a set of those Dynafit plates to do a quickie review, but have not received any yet. Am not highly interested, but they need to be weighed and evaluated so we’ll do it eventually.

    Word is they were an aftermarket thing that Dynafit picked up from someone.

  38. Lou November 30th, 2010 7:13 am

    Gloor, I believe Dyanfit puts inserts in their skis for the following reasons (my opinions, not party line from Dynafit):

    1. To reduce weight by eliminating huge reinforcement area that’s usually installed in skis these days.

    2. As a selling point, as the theory was they would reduce shop labor and also appear to offer DIY mounting.

    3. For strength, so designing a binding plate into the ski was eliminated from the design and build process*.

    4. As a way of emphasizing and enhancing the dominance of Dynafit bindings.

    5. To be cutting edge and innovative.

    *Dynafit skis have a binding “plate” but it’s just a minimal layer on the surface that’s mostly meant to work with the inserts.

  39. John Gloor November 30th, 2010 8:20 am

    Thanks for giving me you take on this Lou. I will probably mount my next skis with screws.

  40. Lou November 30th, 2010 8:29 am

    John, just do a good job and use epoxy, I think you’ll be fine.

  41. skian November 30th, 2010 9:55 am

    K , here is my 2 cents,

    One, the inserts were never meant for customer ease for mounting. The primary goal is retention. Easy mounting is a side note.
    The core construction of the original Manaslu was Polonia and Isocore Laid out in raw core form you have 2 Isore stringers front to back both about 2 to 3 cm wide sandwiched horizontally between Polonia (3 polonia 2 Isocore). Isocore is a shaved foam(high quality consistent density material. Polonia is a farmed would with incredible rebound and also light in weight. Now you have the wicked light weight core. Also don’t forget you have little glue in solid wood like Polonia. Through a base and some edges and a cap to hold it together presto ski. Not rocket science. Or is it??
    Here is were inserts come in. Retention of wood screw in a light weight core is marginal at best. Ever take a piece of balsa throw a wood screw in it and torque it? Or a piece of Redwood and do the same? Add just inserts and you still pull out. You need a binding plate to retain the insert. Lou might be able to get a box of goodies and post some of these pictures from Dynafit of what i am talking about. Lets really dig into the ski. What adds so much weight to a ski? core material? yes, edge material?yes, amount of glass? yes, amount of glue?yes…list goes on.
    For 13 years i had the pleasure of working with Mike Hattrup and Ken Scheile(aka “Terrible Dragon” and our engineer) at K2. Between Mikes feel on snow and his steering team and Kens ability to take that feel to the lab it was unbelievable. We worked on this little project called K2 Telemark. It’s this thing people used to do way back in the 80′s and 90′s. During our first years Mike brought to the table the first wide ski for Telemark. The Piste Stinks. The first wide ski designed around the Telemark turn. Also the first ski really designed for the new big burly plastic boots. Problem was we were now ripping the3 hole tele screws out of skis. Then came along the riser plate with a spread out hole pattern and presto very little ripping out. But Mike and Ken were not satisfied. Hey don’t we own a snowboard company? Boom…. Inserts in skis. Created for one thing Retention… Now we one benefit ease of customer mounting as an added feature. This preface is just like the added feature of having inserts on a Dynafit ski.

    The benefits are (again IMO)
    1. Light and lively skis
    2. Increased strength to weight ratio
    3. Light on the up and the down
    4. add the early rise tip (better than rocker for mountaineering, again IMO)
    5. Add the skin system (easy skins on and off)

    the list can go on, but I am getting off subject.

    Now something people don’t talk about enough is the plate (retention plate ) on all Dynafit skis). The inserts are larger than the holes on the plate. You can’t pull them through. increasing the retention by a lot.
    Remember Some Dynafit skis are designed for ski touring, Some for free-ride touring most are for ski mountaineering, just like the binding. Three totally different beast’s in principle and design.
    Dynafit have never wavered from the main goal of creating the best for the up down and the all around product for the mountains. You don’t take a 15 lb carbon fiber cross bike on a free-ride mountain bike course or you kill it. I also don’t like pushing those free-ride bikes uphill. At the top there is a lot of great product out there. Everything is a compromise, but one thing is for sure… there is only sh:? at the bottom.

    Hope that helps

    Skian
    Redline Sports Group

    “get outside have some fun and enjoy the backcountry!”

  42. Walt November 30th, 2010 10:58 am

    Just ski with your Dynafit toe piece in the locked position… problem solved. They aren’t really locked anyway and you will come out in a bad fall. If your binding tears out, it’s not the bindings fault. You have crappy skis. End of discussion.

  43. Jonathan Shefftz November 30th, 2010 12:41 pm

    “Show me a person that posts on TGR who does not ski on fairly wide skis.”
    – Check out my wicked-gnar TR on TGR from this morning: http://tinyurl.com/3xet33v
    Seriously though, I agree that many posters there are pushing the limits of what kind of skiing can be done on Dynafit bindings with what kinds of skis, and hence are not necessarily representative of typical ski tourers.
    As for the Dynafit “Powerplate” retrofit for the FT12, all it really seems to do is support the toe unit arms in the same manner as on, say, a mid-90s TLT. Pretty much the same effect could be accomplished just by swapping in the toe unit baseplate from the ST.

  44. Jonathan Shefftz November 30th, 2010 3:57 pm

    If the inserts as so important for the design of the lightweight Dynafit skis, then how come the Broad Peak and Se7en Summit Superlight are still so light even though the heel units lack the inserts?

  45. Henri November 30th, 2010 6:18 pm

    You would think that the inserts are also there to lock people into using dynafit bindings. This wasn’t a problem when the dynafit bindings were still patent protected, but with guys like ATK and Plum on the horizon its a good (for dynafit) strategic maneuver.

  46. Lou November 30th, 2010 6:35 pm

    Henri, yeah, except a lot of the tech bindings use the Dynafit screw hole pattern…

  47. Jonathan Shefftz November 30th, 2010 7:00 pm

    Out of the G3 Onyx/Ruby, Plum Guide, and ATK RT, the only exception to the Dynafit mounting pattern is the heel unit of the ATK RT. And given how light that binding is, the skis in the Dynafit line-up with the most appeal to ATK RT skiers might be the Se7en Summits Superlight and Broad Peak, which don’t have the inserts for the heel anyway.

  48. Lou November 30th, 2010 9:36 pm

    Jonathan, the strength of the toe screws with Dynafit is more important than the heel, because when locked in touring mode, if you take a fall you’ll place immense force on the toe screws. I’m just guessing, but I’ll bet the Dynafit skis without rear inserts just have a fairly minimal reinforcement plate in that area, which would be totally adequate. Interestingly, while in Europe two winters ago I watched a guy rip a Dynafit heel right out of his ski. Turned out it was mounted ridiculously poorly, with some of the screws stripped, no glue, etc. I won’t mention any names (grin). But it was pretty funny watching the guy ski with his binding heel unit in one hand.

  49. Landshard November 30th, 2010 11:21 pm

    Wow, crazy response to a simple question. Anyway, I have to go with skian and his reponse. Do the math. You shave 3lb off your ski, boot, binding setup and tour 4000 ft per day, however many days per year (hopefully many days) and it adds up. More days, more years, etc. etc. It makes a difference. Having your system light is the key to longevity. I have been using the Dynafit binding and Voile skis for a few years now and only recently got the skis because of the inserts. Adding the simplicity and quality of the skins is a bonus. I understand that swapping the binding from ski to ski is a pain but it would be a nice feature to have while you save your cash and be able to ski 2 different setups.

  50. skian December 1st, 2010 2:07 am

    Jonathon, the main reason you do not see inserts in the heel area of Seven Summits is many people use this ski for ski touring with the low tech light or the low tech ( my personal favorite bindings ). also for the Broad Peak. This gets our total weight skis,boots,binders,skins per side to a woppong six lbs.
    As you know it is a different hole pattern. That is why we dont see this in certain models.

  51. Matt December 1st, 2010 11:59 am

    Lou,
    Thanks for all the great info. I have a quick question… My manaslus have developed the dreaded spinner screw. I am fascinated by your quiver killer post, and was wondering how I would go about installing quiver killers in the manaslu? Any special precautions I should take?

  52. Lou December 1st, 2010 12:31 pm

    Matt, the trick is going to be getting the spinner out without damaging the ski. You’ll need to stabilize the spinner in some way so you can drill it out, then if resulting hole is too large you’ll need to re-fill with something like JBweld, then drill the insert hole and install the insert.

    I’ve repaired several spinners by just getting the spinner out, filling the hole, then re-drilling and inserting screw, no real need for an insert…. but this process is indeed tricky.

    I’ll see if I can get more details for you, but problem is I have no “spinners” to work on at this time. Anyone got one they want to bring by WildSnow HQ for a free repair?

  53. Matt December 2nd, 2010 10:54 am

    Got the spinner out. Thanks for the tips. I actually want to give those quiver killers a try. Will they work with manaslus? Do I just drill out the existing factory insert holes to fit the quiver killer inserts? I have heard great things about the qk inserts, I just haven’t heard of anyone installing these in manaslus.

    Thanks.

  54. Lou December 2nd, 2010 11:21 am

    Matt, we simply do not know how well the aftermarket inserts would work with Manaslu. Welcome to the world of the early adopter (grin). I’d be concerned that the Manaslu probably doesn’t have much in the way of a binding screws reinforcement that the insert would glue into.

  55. Matt December 2nd, 2010 11:37 am

    thanks for your insight. That is what I was worried about as well.

    If I take the plunge, I will be sure to post the results.

  56. Ed December 5th, 2010 11:16 pm

    Lou,
    I picked up a new pair of 182 cm Stokes this weekend and was planning on doing the binding mount for a pair of FT’s myself – till I looked and no binding mounting sticker on the skis! Oops.
    On the Wildsnow website there is a pic for Manaslu’s – any chance you could post a bunch of these or know where I can get ahold of a jpeg of one for the 182 Stokes? (Shops around here are 182 Stoke-less now so I can’t just go out and take my own shot).
    Any help appreciated.

  57. Larry December 6th, 2010 3:09 am

    Where can I get a mounting plate (or what would be the best way to construct one) in order to mount Dynafit toepieces onto standard nordic touring skis?
    Ideas?

    (This is the nearest thred that I could find that sort of related)

  58. Lou December 6th, 2010 7:04 am

    Larry, why do you need a “plate,” can’t you just screw the binding to the ski?

    Ed, I’d love to help you out but better, this sounds like a simple challenge for Dynafit NA customer service:

    http://www.wildsnow.com/693/psa-dynafit-north-america-is-available-to-help-you/

  59. Skian December 6th, 2010 8:28 am

    Ed, sure Dynafit can assist. But this sticker was probably remove at the shop. Might be a shop employee thought the graphic looked super cool and remove it. To be a good guy a call to the shop and and FYI to leave the sticker on would be a good Samaritan thing to do. Don’t want to get anyone in trouble but could save the next guy the same issue.

    Thanks Skian

  60. Ed December 6th, 2010 8:41 am

    Thanks guys, I’ve emailed Salewa Lou and will email the shop today too Skian. Lou can’t say enough how Wildsnow is the go to place for this stuff.
    Cheers,
    Ed

  61. Lou December 6th, 2010 8:53 am

    Thanks Ed, keep it coming!

  62. ski vagabond April 11th, 2012 3:08 am

    Appreciate some advice..I ski alpine/resort early season then switch to touring Mid March/April bought some Stokes last year 2011 173 anyway struggling a bit on hard snow feel way back & off balance -improves after day of skiing but just read new stokes have been set forward 3cm. Anyone else having some trouble & maybe just a few more days needed but sweet spot is not there unless skiing powder! & spring snow. For all round performance could I move them ahead of the inserts say 2cm? Why the big change 3cm?? have other people found this or is it just me? Roughly they skid well but new school freeride not feeling it yet..

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