Comments on: Backcountry Skiing News Roundup — More or Less Wilderness? http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/ Backcountry Skiing Snowboard Telemark Snowsports Information News Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:01:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/comment-page-1/#comment-17503 Lou Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:12:46 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=2103#comment-17503 I've been talking to some rock climbers about this issue. Yes, climbers frequently like legal Wilderness, SO LONG as it doesn't affect their crags and routes. Well climbers, Hidden Gems and other legal Wilderness additions do affect your rock climbing areas. For example, if an area in Wilderness becomes popular it can easily be shut down because of so called "resource damage" due to un-approved trails or drilling bolts. What's more, the USFS and Wilderness advocates woke up a long time ago to the fact that rock climbing involves drilling holes in a natural resource. You can bet your hammer and star drill that this practice will eventually be regulated, and probably heavily regulated. And, in legal Wilderness, will it even be allowed? I really don't see why. I mean, you can't even ride a bicycle in legal Wilderness. Why should you be allowed to go around drilling holes in rocks? And again, before I get pigeon holed as some kind of land raper: I'm for conservation, I just think it can be done in a more recreation friendly manner than by using the sledgehammer land management approach of Federal Wilderness designation. Mark my words :angel: I’ve been talking to some rock climbers about this issue.

Yes, climbers frequently like legal Wilderness, SO LONG as it doesn’t affect their crags and routes.

Well climbers, Hidden Gems and other legal Wilderness additions do affect your rock climbing areas. For example, if an area in Wilderness becomes popular it can easily be shut down because of so called “resource damage” due to un-approved trails or drilling bolts. What’s more, the USFS and Wilderness advocates woke up a long time ago to the fact that rock climbing involves drilling holes in a natural resource. You can bet your hammer and star drill that this practice will eventually be regulated, and probably heavily regulated. And, in legal Wilderness, will it even be allowed? I really don’t see why. I mean, you can’t even ride a bicycle in legal Wilderness. Why should you be allowed to go around drilling holes in rocks?

And again, before I get pigeon holed as some kind of land raper: I’m for conservation, I just think it can be done in a more recreation friendly manner than by using the sledgehammer land management approach of Federal Wilderness designation.

Mark my words :angel:

]]> By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/comment-page-1/#comment-17475 Lou Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:44:27 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=2103#comment-17475 Yeah, I'd say we've held the level of discourse up pretty high for such a hot button issue. And now that the back patting is over... :devil: Yeah, I’d say we’ve held the level of discourse up pretty high for such a hot button issue.

And now that the back patting is over… :devil:

]]> By: Cory http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/comment-page-1/#comment-17474 Cory Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:27:26 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=2103#comment-17474 Just wondering. Generally it has been a fun and enlightening discussion to follow. I definitely wouldn't say anything anybody does is "right" (geez...talk about a generalization...or lack thereof). Just wondering. Generally it has been a fun and enlightening discussion to follow. I definitely wouldn’t say anything anybody does is “right” (geez…talk about a generalization…or lack thereof).

]]> By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/comment-page-1/#comment-17473 Lou Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:45:13 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=2103#comment-17473 Two wrongs don't make a right. If I or anyone makes the mistake of pigeon holing or generalizing, then that's not the best way to go -- and it doesn't make it right nor ok. Or are you saying that anything Wildsnow commenters do is right? Please clarify. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If I or anyone makes the mistake of pigeon holing or generalizing, then that’s not the best way to go — and it doesn’t make it right nor ok. Or are you saying that anything Wildsnow commenters do is right? Please clarify.

]]> By: Cory http://www.wildsnow.com/2103/backcountry-skiing-news-roundup-44/comment-page-1/#comment-17472 Cory Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:55:18 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=2103#comment-17472 "You and other Wilderness advocates need to stop pigeon holing us like that..." Lou- Just curious...why it is bothering you now that one group is "pigeon holing". I read through that last thread about wilderness and it seems to have its fair share of this sort of thing going on. “You and other Wilderness advocates need to stop pigeon holing us like that…”
Lou-
Just curious…why it is bothering you now that one group is “pigeon holing”. I read through that last thread about wilderness and it seems to have its fair share of this sort of thing going on.

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