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	<title>Comments on: The Torture of Beacon Reviews</title>
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		<title>By: Randonnee</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1930/backcountry-avy-beacon-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-16686</link>
		<dc:creator>Randonnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan I do admire your interest and incredible energy invested. There is so much information from you that is valuable. Please don&#039;t be discouraged by my words.

My level of confidence and very conservative (believe it or not) exposure to uncertain hazard is what I trust. I  trust those abilities more than a transceiver rescue. Actually I powder ski avalanche paths alone, and  ski cut size 2 avalanches when alone, routinely. If there is size 3 potential (in my estimation), I am aware of that potential and will not be found exposed to it. From my AC days if I am able to reduce the hazard by ski cutting with results to the weakness, I gain confidence, and conversely if it does not go when I think it should I back away out of uncertainty.  So for me personally, transceivers lack importance compared to the true life/death decisions about avalanche potential that I make routinely (even before ABS). From interpreting the data, there is only a slim improvement in my survival if I have a competent partner, anyway- it is practically the same commitment with a partner as when solo. No, I am not recommending solo travel, if I die in an avalanche that will be a lesson to be heeded...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan I do admire your interest and incredible energy invested. There is so much information from you that is valuable. Please don&#8217;t be discouraged by my words.</p>
<p>My level of confidence and very conservative (believe it or not) exposure to uncertain hazard is what I trust. I  trust those abilities more than a transceiver rescue. Actually I powder ski avalanche paths alone, and  ski cut size 2 avalanches when alone, routinely. If there is size 3 potential (in my estimation), I am aware of that potential and will not be found exposed to it. From my AC days if I am able to reduce the hazard by ski cutting with results to the weakness, I gain confidence, and conversely if it does not go when I think it should I back away out of uncertainty.  So for me personally, transceivers lack importance compared to the true life/death decisions about avalanche potential that I make routinely (even before ABS). From interpreting the data, there is only a slim improvement in my survival if I have a competent partner, anyway- it is practically the same commitment with a partner as when solo. No, I am not recommending solo travel, if I die in an avalanche that will be a lesson to be heeded&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just realized I wrote a comment in response to Jonathan that was longer than his initial comment. Wow, he must be cutting back on the coffee or something (grin).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized I wrote a comment in response to Jonathan that was longer than his initial comment. Wow, he must be cutting back on the coffee or something (grin).</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, in the days before beacon use and ownership was assumed, having one was a litmus test for one&#039;s intention to practice avy safety. It&#039;s still that way to an extent, as the mantra of  &quot;have beacon shovel probe?&quot; is still recited by those doling out avalanche safety advice to the media. They never seem to mention how rare it is for a an avy beacon to save a life after an actual avalanche burial, nor how many times avalanche victims who survive still endure life altering injuries (though of course they do save lives on occasion, so don&#039;t get me wrong).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, in the days before beacon use and ownership was assumed, having one was a litmus test for one&#8217;s intention to practice avy safety. It&#8217;s still that way to an extent, as the mantra of  &#8220;have beacon shovel probe?&#8221; is still recited by those doling out avalanche safety advice to the media. They never seem to mention how rare it is for a an avy beacon to save a life after an actual avalanche burial, nor how many times avalanche victims who survive still endure life altering injuries (though of course they do save lives on occasion, so don&#8217;t get me wrong).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Shefftz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Shefftz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought of something:  probably close to half the comments in the avy beacon review series have been about safety issues much more broad than just avy rescue gear.  So, hah, avy beacons, the &quot;gateway drug&quot; to getting into other avy safety issues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought of something:  probably close to half the comments in the avy beacon review series have been about safety issues much more broad than just avy rescue gear.  So, hah, avy beacons, the &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; to getting into other avy safety issues!</p>
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		<title>By: Randonnee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randonnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jonathan, 

What matters is knowing with a high degree of certainty whether or not the slope one is about to enter will avalanche with a hazardous potential. Really little else enters my mind except briefly when on avalanche terrain.

My conclusion (opinion) based on my own observation is that endless debate, avalanche education, and number crunching about avalanche accidents and equipment has not improved the avalanche avoidance skills of the clear majority of backcountry skiers that I encounter, including a couple of course instructors. There are hordes of ski touring folks remaining alive simply because the snowpack is actually usually stable! This is my observation and opinion and is likely difficult to prove or not.

I think that marketing of avalanche gear has taken the important focus from understanding avalanching. I question whether most backcountry travelers are able to accurately identify many avalanche paths, as well it is my opinion that most cannot define why or why not did a certain slope avalanche. 

My opinion could be flawed, especially since I avoid the mainstream of backcountry skiers and vigorously protect my (and my parties&#039;) solitude. In fact, because of previous encounters with idiots skiing above me on a potential slab, other&#039;s behaviors, etc., I am pretty uncomfortable skiing around most folks if there is real avalanche potential. Because my opinions and hazard evaluation has kept me safe for three decades, and my methods, flawed or not, have offered near complete safety with one exceptional incident. 

Certainly, I applaud and enjoy the efforts of folks like you or others who engage and publish serious analysis or testing, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonathan, </p>
<p>What matters is knowing with a high degree of certainty whether or not the slope one is about to enter will avalanche with a hazardous potential. Really little else enters my mind except briefly when on avalanche terrain.</p>
<p>My conclusion (opinion) based on my own observation is that endless debate, avalanche education, and number crunching about avalanche accidents and equipment has not improved the avalanche avoidance skills of the clear majority of backcountry skiers that I encounter, including a couple of course instructors. There are hordes of ski touring folks remaining alive simply because the snowpack is actually usually stable! This is my observation and opinion and is likely difficult to prove or not.</p>
<p>I think that marketing of avalanche gear has taken the important focus from understanding avalanching. I question whether most backcountry travelers are able to accurately identify many avalanche paths, as well it is my opinion that most cannot define why or why not did a certain slope avalanche. </p>
<p>My opinion could be flawed, especially since I avoid the mainstream of backcountry skiers and vigorously protect my (and my parties&#8217;) solitude. In fact, because of previous encounters with idiots skiing above me on a potential slab, other&#8217;s behaviors, etc., I am pretty uncomfortable skiing around most folks if there is real avalanche potential. Because my opinions and hazard evaluation has kept me safe for three decades, and my methods, flawed or not, have offered near complete safety with one exceptional incident. </p>
<p>Certainly, I applaud and enjoy the efforts of folks like you or others who engage and publish serious analysis or testing, thank you.</p>
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