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	<title>Comments on: WildSnow Reader&#8217;s Rides &#8212; Brian Litz Dynafit on Rossi</title>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, yes, I&#039;d say that they could POSSIBLY owe you a new pair. It&#039;s a negotiation situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, yes, I&#8217;d say that they could POSSIBLY owe you a new pair. It&#8217;s a negotiation situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input.  The amount of info on this site never ceases to amaze me.

Just to clarify: you&#039;re suggesting that a remount in this situation warrants a new pair of skis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input.  The amount of info on this site never ceases to amaze me.</p>
<p>Just to clarify: you&#8217;re suggesting that a remount in this situation warrants a new pair of skis?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, the ski balance point is something not even worth thinking about. BUT, you would want it to be similar for each ski. Otherwise you&#039;d have to use a different kick turn technique depending on if you were turning left or right, and swap that technique when you swapped skis from left to right.

New holes won&#039;t be a problem if they&#039;re a few millimeters from the old ones, and the old ones are filled with epoxy. But if a mount at a shop results in a new set of holes, they owe you a new set of skis.

For what it&#039;s worth, I ALWAYS measure up from the tails of the skis to make sure I&#039;m mounting the bindings in the same for/aft location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the ski balance point is something not even worth thinking about. BUT, you would want it to be similar for each ski. Otherwise you&#8217;d have to use a different kick turn technique depending on if you were turning left or right, and swap that technique when you swapped skis from left to right.</p>
<p>New holes won&#8217;t be a problem if they&#8217;re a few millimeters from the old ones, and the old ones are filled with epoxy. But if a mount at a shop results in a new set of holes, they owe you a new set of skis.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I ALWAYS measure up from the tails of the skis to make sure I&#8217;m mounting the bindings in the same for/aft location.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou,

Thanks for the reply.  I did mean that one of the bindings appears to be more forward on one of the skis.  It looks like the mounting marks on the ski might be a little off, which I think led to the inaccurate mount.  The tech actually said to me, something to the effect of, &quot;These came out the best I&#039;ve ever done them.  The midsole mark really helps.&quot;  Not exactly inspiring.

My other question is that when I get them remounted do I need to worry about having the new screw holes near the old ones, in terms of structural integrity?  Because it appears that the difference is not that great in where the binding is and where it should be, I wonder if the new holes won&#039;t be right on top of, or very close to, the old ones.

Finally, can two skis out of a pair have different balance points (if you were to ignore the midsole marks and just balance the ski on a straight edge) and how does one deal with that when mounting?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  I did mean that one of the bindings appears to be more forward on one of the skis.  It looks like the mounting marks on the ski might be a little off, which I think led to the inaccurate mount.  The tech actually said to me, something to the effect of, &#8220;These came out the best I&#8217;ve ever done them.  The midsole mark really helps.&#8221;  Not exactly inspiring.</p>
<p>My other question is that when I get them remounted do I need to worry about having the new screw holes near the old ones, in terms of structural integrity?  Because it appears that the difference is not that great in where the binding is and where it should be, I wonder if the new holes won&#8217;t be right on top of, or very close to, the old ones.</p>
<p>Finally, can two skis out of a pair have different balance points (if you were to ignore the midsole marks and just balance the ski on a straight edge) and how does one deal with that when mounting?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, I assume by &quot;higher&quot; you mean in a different for/aft position and slightly closer to the tip of the ski?

A difference of a few millimeters will not affect how the skis ski unless you&#039;re a World Cup slalom medalist. On the other hand, having that happen indicates very poor craftsmanship and would reduce the value of the skis if they were sold used and you were honest and disclosed the mount defect.

FYI, in my opinion the tolerance for this in mounting skis  is that they&#039;re visually identical, but if measured might be off a millimeter or two. 

BTW, what usually causes this is an inattentive craftsman who doesn&#039;t compare the printed mounting marks on the skis, which are sometimes off because the top graphics get shifted during construction of the skis. When that happens and they&#039;re not too different, a good tech will just average the two marks by measuring up from the tails of the skis with a tape measure.

I&#039;d take the skis back and complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, I assume by &#8220;higher&#8221; you mean in a different for/aft position and slightly closer to the tip of the ski?</p>
<p>A difference of a few millimeters will not affect how the skis ski unless you&#8217;re a World Cup slalom medalist. On the other hand, having that happen indicates very poor craftsmanship and would reduce the value of the skis if they were sold used and you were honest and disclosed the mount defect.</p>
<p>FYI, in my opinion the tolerance for this in mounting skis  is that they&#8217;re visually identical, but if measured might be off a millimeter or two. </p>
<p>BTW, what usually causes this is an inattentive craftsman who doesn&#8217;t compare the printed mounting marks on the skis, which are sometimes off because the top graphics get shifted during construction of the skis. When that happens and they&#8217;re not too different, a good tech will just average the two marks by measuring up from the tails of the skis with a tape measure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d take the skis back and complain.</p>
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