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	<title>Comments on: Jordan&#8217;s Victory Party &#8212; Celebrating 14er Skiing</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lou,
Great post on Jordan, excellent accomlishment.

I am digging for a little beta from you and your readers.  We are thinking about a climb of Pyramid Peak this weekend, but are wondering what observations have been made by people up high, concerning the dust layer.  Which is now clearly on top of the snow, up to 13,000 ft.  Have we been getting enough cold temps at night to freeze the snowpack, or is this &quot;snirt&quot; holding heat overnight and not allowing the pack to solidify?

We climbed and skied Sopris last weekend, and the conditions were considerably different than years past.

Just wondering your input on the Snowpack, is it worth another attempt, or time to hit the desert for some crack climbing?

Thanks,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lou,<br />
Great post on Jordan, excellent accomlishment.</p>
<p>I am digging for a little beta from you and your readers.  We are thinking about a climb of Pyramid Peak this weekend, but are wondering what observations have been made by people up high, concerning the dust layer.  Which is now clearly on top of the snow, up to 13,000 ft.  Have we been getting enough cold temps at night to freeze the snowpack, or is this &#8220;snirt&#8221; holding heat overnight and not allowing the pack to solidify?</p>
<p>We climbed and skied Sopris last weekend, and the conditions were considerably different than years past.</p>
<p>Just wondering your input on the Snowpack, is it worth another attempt, or time to hit the desert for some crack climbing?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Worley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Worley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Frank, because I love page through guidebooks and keep them at hand, but from a publishing standpoint these days, going the paper route has a lot of drawbacks.  Just ask Craig Dostie or others who have lived the highs and lows of such publishing.  Some of my most prized possessions are out-of-print guidebooks that I intend to never get rid of.  I&#039;d like to think the bound paper variety will be around for awhile so I can continue to fill my shelves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Frank, because I love page through guidebooks and keep them at hand, but from a publishing standpoint these days, going the paper route has a lot of drawbacks.  Just ask Craig Dostie or others who have lived the highs and lows of such publishing.  Some of my most prized possessions are out-of-print guidebooks that I intend to never get rid of.  I&#8217;d like to think the bound paper variety will be around for awhile so I can continue to fill my shelves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, believe me, I&#039;m with you in spirit. You should see my bookshelf. Perhaps, with a larger user base the print guidebooks would be viable. Mine limped along for years, with too few updates, bad binding because the publisher was using incompetent people to bind it, stuff like that. Perhaps someone will step in to the fray in a few years, when ski mountaineering in the U.S. is as big as Europe, and their book will be viable. Till then...

That said, I think the future is simply having it on the web, and sticking the relevant stuff on your PDA if necessary, or even printing some stuff out -- and having plenty of GPS info. Yeah, a cold heart approach, but with no printing costs, one can do so much more in terms of gathering information and keeping it updated. The difference is night and day.

My first attempt at an online guidebook is http://www.hutski.com it&#039;s been interesting. Not as well used as I expected, but then, how hard is it to find a 10th Mountain hut located on a road, with the trail marked by plastic diamonds nailed to trees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, believe me, I&#8217;m with you in spirit. You should see my bookshelf. Perhaps, with a larger user base the print guidebooks would be viable. Mine limped along for years, with too few updates, bad binding because the publisher was using incompetent people to bind it, stuff like that. Perhaps someone will step in to the fray in a few years, when ski mountaineering in the U.S. is as big as Europe, and their book will be viable. Till then&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, I think the future is simply having it on the web, and sticking the relevant stuff on your PDA if necessary, or even printing some stuff out &#8212; and having plenty of GPS info. Yeah, a cold heart approach, but with no printing costs, one can do so much more in terms of gathering information and keeping it updated. The difference is night and day.</p>
<p>My first attempt at an online guidebook is <a href="http://www.hutski.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hutski.com</a> it&#8217;s been interesting. Not as well used as I expected, but then, how hard is it to find a 10th Mountain hut located on a road, with the trail marked by plastic diamonds nailed to trees?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Konsella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Konsella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was touched when Jordan described how he&#039;d page through my fourteener guidebooks while goofing off in his highschool classes.&quot;

&quot;but in my opinion most guidebooks are now better done on the web&quot;


See a little disconnect there, Lou?  

Like Jordan, my 14er book from my highschool days is heavily used and abused (in my case, the Borneman/Lampert one as I&#039;m a bit older than Jordan and that was the only guidebook at the time.)  No matter how nice online guides are on a computer or iphone, it will never be a prized possession like a well-worn book can be.  My guidebooks have history that I can see on every page.

I&#039;m quite certain that there&#039;s a lot of difficult things with regards to publishing your book or making another edition.  But if you consider how important and meaningful your books have been to many of us, perhaps it&#039;s worth the cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was touched when Jordan described how he&#8217;d page through my fourteener guidebooks while goofing off in his highschool classes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;but in my opinion most guidebooks are now better done on the web&#8221;</p>
<p>See a little disconnect there, Lou?  </p>
<p>Like Jordan, my 14er book from my highschool days is heavily used and abused (in my case, the Borneman/Lampert one as I&#8217;m a bit older than Jordan and that was the only guidebook at the time.)  No matter how nice online guides are on a computer or iphone, it will never be a prized possession like a well-worn book can be.  My guidebooks have history that I can see on every page.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite certain that there&#8217;s a lot of difficult things with regards to publishing your book or making another edition.  But if you consider how important and meaningful your books have been to many of us, perhaps it&#8217;s worth the cost?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He he, yeah Adam, always look for the positive!

FYI, the first printing of the Guide to Backcountry Skiing was indeed defective and a nightmare. After that and many other experiences with publishing (such as my fourteener guides not being updated more often) are all leading me to the conclusion that I&#039;ll never publish a paper guidebook again. Other types of books, yes, but in my opinion most guidebooks are now better done on the web, with downloadable and printable content for use if necessary. Many folks probably disagree with that, but after publishing a number of guidebooks, I have to say that my  bad experiences with paper publishing of information based content  far outweigh the good. One has to go with their experience, and perhaps others might take note of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He he, yeah Adam, always look for the positive!</p>
<p>FYI, the first printing of the Guide to Backcountry Skiing was indeed defective and a nightmare. After that and many other experiences with publishing (such as my fourteener guides not being updated more often) are all leading me to the conclusion that I&#8217;ll never publish a paper guidebook again. Other types of books, yes, but in my opinion most guidebooks are now better done on the web, with downloadable and printable content for use if necessary. Many folks probably disagree with that, but after publishing a number of guidebooks, I have to say that my  bad experiences with paper publishing of information based content  far outweigh the good. One has to go with their experience, and perhaps others might take note of it&#8230;</p>
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