Comments on: Three Buried in Avy Self Rescued Without Using Beacons http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/ Backcountry Skiing Snowboard Telemark Snowsports Information News Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:08:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/comment-page-1/#comment-13663 Lou Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:29:05 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1676#comment-13663 Warren, very good way to make a point! Warren, very good way to make a point!

]]> By: J. Warren http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/comment-page-1/#comment-13660 J. Warren Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:17:02 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1676#comment-13660 Many years ago some patrollers I know where on a night rescue and made some critical mistakes that ended with three out of four being buried. The forth person was very young and had virtually no experience. He did manage to dig out all his companions using their still functioning headlamps as a guide. All involved where uninjured including the person being rescued. Does this mean everyone should forgo typical avy gear for a BD headlamp. Many years ago some patrollers I know where on a night rescue and made some critical mistakes that ended with three out of four being buried. The forth person was very young and had virtually no experience. He did manage to dig out all his companions using their still functioning headlamps as a guide. All involved where uninjured including the person being rescued. Does this mean everyone should forgo typical avy gear for a BD headlamp.

]]> By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/comment-page-1/#comment-13657 Lou Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:49:38 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1676#comment-13657 Frank, they had beacons but didn't use them to find each other. Even that is bizarre when it comes to the guy who was buried 6-7 feet deep. Rando, sadly, as far as I know they didn't investigate the scene. It looks from the photo like they were in a spot where the snow didn't achieve any significant velocity and thus kind of just plowed into them and piled up. Very unusual circumstances to say it mildly. Sure sends the wrong message. Frank, they had beacons but didn’t use them to find each other. Even that is bizarre when it comes to the guy who was buried 6-7 feet deep. Rando, sadly, as far as I know they didn’t investigate the scene. It looks from the photo like they were in a spot where the snow didn’t achieve any significant velocity and thus kind of just plowed into them and piled up. Very unusual circumstances to say it mildly. Sure sends the wrong message.

]]> By: Randonnee http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/comment-page-1/#comment-13656 Randonnee Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:12:18 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1676#comment-13656 Does the report specify if the scene and debris was seen by the investigator? Does the report specify if the scene and debris was seen by the investigator?

]]> By: Andrew http://www.wildsnow.com/1676/eiseman-hut-avalanche/comment-page-1/#comment-13655 Andrew Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:54:00 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1676#comment-13655 Clyde, While I don't necessarily disagree with safety gear and the false sense of security, I think its important not to go completely the other way. Take seat belts , would we drive more carefully without them? Perhaps but the fact remains that they do save lives. This would appear to be a bizarre case with a very lucky outcome, lets simply treat it as such. Clyde,

While I don’t necessarily disagree with safety gear and the false sense of security, I think its important not to go completely the other way. Take seat belts , would we drive more carefully without them? Perhaps but the fact remains that they do save lives.

This would appear to be a bizarre case with a very lucky outcome, lets simply treat it as such.

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