Dynafit New And Improved – Part 1 – Skis


This post by WildSnow.com blogger  

You guys may think it’s all fun and games at things like the Dynafit FAM I just got done with in Germany (FAM=Familiarization). But new product launch dates are important to PR people so I do my best to meet their needs, which causes no end to angst in trying to balance a bunch of trip reports with FAM gear blogs (such as Marker).

Backcountry Skiing

Nanga Parbat, Diamir Face. Dynafit athlete Luis Stitzinger skied this line, starting near the summit in July 2008. Quite an amazing ski descent. According to Luis one key to his route was having a spotter with binos and a radio talking him around the gigantic seracs and ice walls. Clever. New Dynafit extreme ski is named after the peak, see below.

So, I had to delay my Dynafit blog posts till after the FAM — but that’s when I was solo euro-driving with not time at the keyboard so I needed to use other blogs on hold from before the FAM. On top of that, in a chrono-blog such as WildSnow.com you don’t want to pile too much stuff up in one day. And adding more hassle, this part of Italy isn’t exactly known for free (or any) Internet at every stop. So apologies to all (for whining?) and for not giving you the Dynafit goods faster. Here goes part one, Dynafit skis.

Manaslu is still Dynafit’s flagship ski for those of us in soft snow climes, and a great quiver of one for variable conditions or traveling. As far as I could tell this somewhat fat and amazingly lightweight plank (95 at waist) is unchanged from last year. Good. As I mentioned in a blog comment a few days ago, during Dynafit’s ski designer’s official presentation at the FAM he mentioned that Manaslu is indeed a ski that’s best on soft snow or at least a few centimeters of fresh (presumably he meant either fluff or softly packed). That’s our take as well, nice to be validated. We have a gripe, however. Can’t they make touring skis with white or at least more reflective top skins than black? Ice belongs in your Cinzano, not on top of your planks.

Mustagh Ata is now the Mustagh Ata Superlight. This guy is said to have less mass than the now familiar Seven Summits model but with wider support under your foot (116/86/109 in 168cm, has binding mount inserts). I’m thinking of replacing my Seven Summits with this, as I’ve become addicted to the “platform effect” of having around 90 mm or more under foot.

Tried and true Seven Summits now has a slightly stiffer section in front of the binding for better firm snow performance. That’s good news if you want Seven Summits as a spring ski, but perhaps a neutral factor or slight detriment for powder skiing if you like flexy skis for the Pulverschnee.

Backcountry Skiing

Seven Summits Super Light (7SSL?)

Big deal is 7 Summits now has diet mentor, Seven Summits Superlight. As many of you know, Seven Summits is a WildSnow fave for firmer conditions when big fatties are overkill for efficient climbing. If the Superlight is indeed super light (said to be about 100 grams lighter) and skis as well, it’ll be an even better iteration of the ideal spring ski mountaineering ski. (Both 7′s about same dimensions, 113/78/100 in 170cm.)

For you Euro style extreme skiers out there (meaning you’re not mad for cliff hucks, but rather skiing to avoid terminal cliff hucks), Dynafit is now offering the Nanga Parbat. This stick for advanced skiers is as light as possible while still providing beef for steep edging. Relaxed sidecut as well, so jump turns on 60 degree ice don’t end up throwing you. At dimensions 102/73/89 this is not a freeride fatty (has binding inserts).

Backcountry Skiing

Dynafit Nanga Parbat ski.

How about the fem side of life? Dynafit is now marketing a woman’s ski named Haute Route Plus (after an event they sponsored last year that involved a woman’s speed ski of the Haute Route in 2.5 days).

Backcountry Skiing

Haute Route Plus female specific skis from Dynafit.

Interestingly, I was just speaking with a gal about so called “woman’s” gear. She said the whole idea is in her opinion just marketing and everything should be unisex with full size ranges. Others I’ve spoken with disagree, and say things like more calf room in a boot is essential for most women. My feminine side is out of sorts at the moment, so I’ll leave the rest of this earth shattering discussion to anyone who cares to comment. (111/78/98 for 156 cm length, same shape as Seven Summits, lengths start at 149cm as does Seven Summits, said to be very lightweight.)

Dynafit is returning to their lightweight roots by crafting a full suit of race gear for this coming season. I hope to publish my firstlook of their new Dy.N.A (DNA for short) boot tomorrow or the next day. For the present, how about their new race ski? World Cup Race is a strong carbon-fiber reinforced toothpick that’s said to easily slot into the 700 gram weight zone, which is critical to building a World Cup race setup at the mandated (and very light) minimum weight. The crazy stick is white with a racy red stripe and the now common racer’s skin notch in the tip. World Cup Race ski will melt some coin, but looks to be a good investment for anyone who races seriously in the ski mountaineering events.

In closing I should mention a couple of things that make Dynafit skis a top line that we’re still high on even several years after their initial launch. First, most of Dynafit’s planks become slightly wider as lengths increase. This gives you extra bang if you choose a longer plank to compensate for more weight or just to get the feel of more ski underfoot. More, the skis come in an interesting array of lengths (rather than tedious blog charting, best to simply glean lengths from the Dynafit website once it’s updated). Secondly, Dynafit says they pretty much rework their entire ski line each year (we like that, but it means you need to study the specs and always try to arrange a demo before you buy.) Third, to stay honest about ski weights Dynafit now has +- notations with their catalog weights, since most ski brands (if not all) vary a bit in weight from pair to pair. Lastly, the Dynafit binding mount insert system is improved with the inclusion of glass fibers so it’ll take more screw-in-screw-out cycles and be less prone to stripping.

There you go, stay tuned for part two.

Comments

51 Responses to “Dynafit New And Improved – Part 1 – Skis”

  1. alyn January 19th, 2009 11:29 am

    Beautiful skis…

    I wish I had room in the quiver for more of these. The Nanga Parbat would be perfect for covering a lot of ground this sping/summer. A well thought out move to have only inserts in the front of the Naga to alow any of the fixed heel binding to be used…

    Interested to know if the Dyna boot will have a use up in the mountians or is it just for racing only…? Hard to tell with that soft toung

  2. Cam Spooner January 19th, 2009 3:42 pm

    Although I love to see a ski company cater to the high altitude skier, most of my touring involves chasing powder – the deeper the better. I would have liked their focus to be more on fat progression rather than more skinny, superlights. Love the binding inserts, and there are topsheet applications to use (i.e. Head M95) to lessen icing.

  3. Mark Worley January 19th, 2009 7:54 pm

    I’ve enjoyed skiing three models of their skis, and look forward to seeing more light boots from them. Covering ground in the backcountry, I’ve found, can be done with much less effort, and higher speed, with light gear.

  4. Rob Staudinger January 20th, 2009 2:00 am

    Sweet! I’ve been looking out to make a good deal on 2008 Mustagh Atas, guess with confirmation about upgrades for next season the stock sellout can commence!

  5. Bryce January 21st, 2009 8:04 pm

    Love the pre-drilled binding holes, which are in all of the new models. No more willing yourself to drill into yer brand-spanking-new skis.

    Re: Stiff boots. When my daughter asks how far it is to the lake we’re backpacking to, I always say, “It’s just up over this next ridge.” How stiff is stiff enough? 20 percent more oughta do it.

  6. Kerry February 7th, 2009 3:48 pm

    Lou,

    I have a few seasons on TL Comforts mounted on 1080 Gun skis. Although there are certainly better AT skis, I have really enjoyed them in powder and will continue to use them in pow. Can you fine-tune my search for a second pair of skis that I’d like for the Spring corn and those Winter days a long time after last snow (i.e. intermittent crust and recycled snow)? Skis that have caught my attention: 7Summit, Mustagh Ata, Mt Baker, & Mt Baker SL.

    Another ?…You mentioned you were considering replacing 7Summits w/Mustagh Ata, presumably for a Spring ski…why do you prefer one over the other for Spring corn, Winter crust/intermittent crust? Would the greater sidecut on the 7Summits provide tighter turns?

  7. Jason Gregg March 2nd, 2009 3:45 pm

    This a lot of new skis and I agree with the others that having the inserts for home mounting is great. I wonder if they will all be available at about the same time next Fall or if it’s already possible to get some models in Europe. I’m headed over in late April to do the Haute Route and since I unloaded a pair of Volkl AC4′s with Tri-steps at Replay a few months back I’m looking at taking my Manaslu’s which I know are probably not going to be ideal. I also wonder if any US retailer is going to carry the Seven Summits and Mustagh Ata Superlight with their the matching skins? It seems like in the USA most people want the Manaslu or race gear.

  8. Lou March 2nd, 2009 3:52 pm

    Kerry, I’m attracted to the Mustagh Ata SL because it’s said to be lighter. Not a big deal, 7 Summits is a good ski. Greater sidecut doesn’t necessarily mean tighter turns, sometimes it makes the ski easier to turn, other times it can just make it squirrly. The skis that caught your attention are probably all good, though Mt. Baker is really quite a different ski than Baker SL (it’s noticeably heavier, and skis a bit more solidly especially on hardpack).

  9. eric olsen March 9th, 2009 10:57 pm

    I bought the Manaslu and Dynafit binding at Marmot in Bellevue near Seattle back in January based on your recommendation. Took them to Valhalla Mt Touring in BC. My AT goes back to the Iser and the Kneissl white backcountry ski 90 mm wide in about 1976. Love the Dynafit combo. With brakes, 8.75 pounds for the 178cm, not 14 pounds like my Kilowatt-Fritschi combo from last year. And I love how they ski. At 61 the weight matters for me on the uphill, and they ski right at my preferred speed. But I agree about the BLACK top sheet graphic. Just not the best color for a sunny. I have not yet skied on real icy hardpack because the snow backcountry this winter here in Juneau is just too good.

  10. Lou March 10th, 2009 6:43 am

    Manaslu is sure a winner. I’m glad all you guys caught on. Let’s just pray they don’t change it (other than making it white.)

  11. Geoff June 2nd, 2009 2:01 pm

    Hi Lou,
    sorry to saddle you with yet another plea for advice on skis, but you seem to be the best source for these things.

    Do you know why no one seems to have or talk about the Mustagh Ata? From the specs it seems like it would be a perfect ski for many situations, but I didn’t see a single pair in the Alps this winter, and the guys at the local shop also didn’t have any experience on it even though they sold it. I’m asking because I’ve found a good price here on some new ones, but don’t want to take the plunge and then find out everyone knew they’re duds (plus it’s impossible to find a pair to demo!)

    Also, regarding the Dynafit tip cap, is it possible to replace it after ripping off skins for the descent, or can it only be replaced with tools/at home?

    Thanks as always for the great website!

    Geoff

  12. Lou June 2nd, 2009 2:40 pm

    Geoff, no worries, doing this as a public comment string benifits a lot of people and gets the Dynafit info out there, which I know the Dynafit folks appreciate and is one reason they support WildSnow.com.

    I guess Manaslu is a cooler peak than Mustagh Ata, or something like that (grin). Seriously, I’ve not heard or experienced anything negative about the Mustagh Ata, it’s just that some planks simply don’t catch on. Could the name, or the marketing story, or supply problems. Who knows. What I do know is the Mustagh Ata Superlight available next winter might prove to be THE choice for an all-around alpine touring ski. It’s not a widebody like the Manaslu, but still has the 86 mm width under foot (for 169 length) to give it the feel and float of a wide style of ski, and it’s really light in weight. I’m hoping we can review some eventually, as I have high hopes for it…

    Bear in mind that the original Mustagh Ata is not part of the Dynafit line anymore, though they’re probably still available in the retail channel. For next year, it’ll be the Mustagh Ata Superlight.

    Shapes:

    169 cm = 116/86/109
    178 cm= 118/88/110
    187 cm= 122/88/111

  13. Jans Wager September 14th, 2009 10:16 am

    Hi–I’m 5’4″, 135 lbs., currently sking K2 Shuksens (160) w/dynfit bindings and boots. I’m looking at the Manaslu (live in Salt Lake City) but am worried it is too long at 169. The new women’s Haute route looks good, but is less of a powder ski (?), although what I want is an all round backcountry ski. Any suggestions from the experts?

    I agree with your female friends–we need boots designed to fit (although my boot fitter makes the men’s work on my shapely calves) but skis aren’t really a gender thing except we migt need shorter sticks that the average guy.

    thanks for any tips…

  14. Lou September 14th, 2009 12:49 pm

    Jans, the main thing to remember is that skis with “slow rise” or “rocker” in the tip will be a bit longer for a given person. At your height and weight, I don’t see how the 169 Manaslu would be too long. My take, anyhow. I’m assuming you’d be using them for powder or semi-powder, which is what they’re designed for…

  15. Jason Gregg October 8th, 2009 4:13 pm

    UPS man delivered some 187 Mustagh Ata SL’s today.

    The 178 Manaslu’s I skied a lot last year are very good short AT powder ski’s, not as fun as my 188 Coomba’s but quite a bit lighter. I had a couple of issues with the Manaslu’s; tail’s too soft, and twinned to a degree that the ski was really a lot less than a true 178. Plus I followed the mounting instructinos included an with the 317 bsl of my zZero’s I could have and should have been in the most forward toe mount holes from the begining. Anyway I’m bailing on the Manaslu but I know I’ll miss it.

    What I’m wondering is if I’ve messed up getting the long Mustagh Ata. I know I didn’t get the “tradtional” size ski for someone my size 5’10, 163, that would be the 178, but the long Mustagh Ata is still lighter than the 178 Manaslu and probably has about the same surface area. I know at some points the extra length is going to be a pain but overall I’m hoping I made the right move.

  16. Lou October 8th, 2009 5:21 pm

    Jason, I think you’ll be fine, and you’ll be ready to rip an AK spine for the next TGR film!

  17. Steve October 8th, 2009 6:24 pm

    Lou,
    Seems I remember you commenting last year that you mounted some Dynafits on some skis with inserts. If my memory is correct then can you pass on any pearls. Am considering a similar situation.
    Thanks
    Steve

  18. Lou October 8th, 2009 7:23 pm

    Steve, you mean when I mounted Dynafits on the Antipistes? Nothing to it, just position the binding so it avoids the inserts.

  19. Jason Gregg October 8th, 2009 8:19 pm

    Lou, I posted hoping you’d respond. I was looking at the two skis closely this evening. What I did was line up the front mount (the first hole) on the two skis, 178 Manaslu and 187 Mustagh Ata SL just to compare them. I’ve heard the phrase “effective edge”, people mean the part of the edge after the shovel flattens out and before any tail upturn. What I found was that because the shovel is so extended on the Manaslu that almost all the effective edge difference was in the tail, and it looked like around five inches of tail extra. So here’s the thing, I want to go back to Chamonix next year or do something like the Silvretta tour you did. I’m thinking the 187 Mustagh Ata just wouldn’t work over there.

    I can’t see getting rid of the 188 Coomba’s and I enjoyed the 178 Manaslu’s but in the rearward mount position it was a no go on anything really challenging in Chamonix. I know your review says the Nanga Parbat is the ski for scary steep, but when I saw people enjoying the north face of Tour Ronde last spring, looked like they were on ski’s like XXL Pro’s with Duke’s, and 130 flex overlap boots. So I’m thinking order the 178 Mustagh’s and check them out too. I might end up sending the 178′s back but I’m thinking it’s more likely going to be the 187′s. Of course what I’d really like to do is be able to demo both lengths for an hour or two and then I’d have a better idea what to do. But I don’t think any retailer around here is going to offer that option.

    A big part of all this is the kick turn issue… I could kick turn at an acceptable level on the 178 Manaslu, but I’m guessing I could be in trouble with those long Mustagh Ata’s. Of course I knew that before I ordered them but at the same time I also know that I’m not going back to Chamonix with the middle length Manaslu.

  20. John Ellsworth October 27th, 2009 2:38 pm

    just received a new pair of 7 summit SL and they only have mounting holes for the toe piece. After calling (I thought I had received a defective pair) I found that is the way they come. Do you have have any insight into the logic of inserts for only the toe?
    Cheers

  21. Lou October 27th, 2009 2:44 pm

    A lot of people use race heels with different screw pattern?

    I like the inserts to a degree, but could easily live without. They are nice when they work, but a hassle when they don’t…

  22. Pete November 2nd, 2009 10:20 pm

    Lou,
    Thanks for all the beta on the dynafit here, but was looking for a little more info about the manaslu/mustagh decision. I would like a ski that would work well in the Wasatch, but am primarily looking for a ski that can handle Alaskan ski mountaineering tasks. Will the Manaslu work for the latter? Also, I’m 6′ around 200 lbs without gear and having trouble deciding if I’m a 178 or a 187. I usually ski 183-190, but will be taking this ski on some big trips, so tempted to go shorter. Thanks!!

  23. Lou November 3rd, 2009 6:29 am

    Alaskan ski mountaineering can mean a lot of things. If you’re going mostly for powder, Manaslu is great, but I don’t prefer them on hardpack or windpack. Mustagh is too narrow under the foot to be a modern dedicated pow ski, but it’s more versatile than the Manaslu. In Manaslu for you, on big trips, 178 would still work. The 187 is huge.

  24. Pete November 3rd, 2009 12:41 pm

    thanks for the info, might see you on denali next spring!

  25. Thomas B November 14th, 2009 10:45 pm

    Lou.hoping this is a good spot for this question: I’m on to a new pair of skins for my Dynafit FR 10 ( first generation). I got the G3 alpinist skin( which I really like) however the clips do not fit over the plastic tip piece so I am debating, shaving down said piece until clips fit or, removing it, epoxying around tip to limit delam potential and calling it good. Any thoughts or other ideas?
    Thanks

  26. jeff brown January 15th, 2010 1:30 pm

    Just got a pair of the dynafit seven summits superlight in a 156, mounted them with dynafit low tech race bindings. Mounted they weigh 5.5 lbs. I am 5′ 11″ and 165 pounds. My usual ski is a BD kilowatt 155 with dynafit tlt speeds. I ski a Scarpa F3 boot.

    I ski just about everything except for hucks that involve leaving the ground. Winter in the Sierras and then spend 5 to 6 weeks ski touring in the French and Swiss Alps.

    Skied the seven summits yesterday at Squaw and I am amazed at how well they skied everything, from untracked, to soft avy debris to firm avy bed surface. They also turn very fast on steep terrrain. They are my new toruing setup. Now waiting until tomorrow to head out and see how the Dynafit skins function!

    For those of you who have not experienced the “once you go short and fat you’ll never go back” philosophy open your mind a give it a try. You might be very pleasantly surprised.

    See ya and let’s hope for more winter everywhere!

  27. Lee January 15th, 2010 1:39 pm

    Blimey Jeff that’s short! I weigh less than you and am only 5’7″ and I ski the seven summits in 170! Still prefer a wider ski for anything approaching powder snow, but in spring snow or routes with over 1500m vertical the seven summits rock. If you got the Dynafit speed skins you won’t be disappointed!

  28. Randonnee January 15th, 2010 1:53 pm

    Cool jeff! Seven Summit Superlights are very stable and carve hard snow very well! This is my new volcano ski (Cascade volcanos).

    Last week i skied my new Seven Summit Superlight 178 on hard piste while skiing with my family. Some have commented that 178 is short for my height/ weight, but it is plenty for me. Glad that I have them. I also have the Seven Summit, it is softer and likely better in soft snow, but my Manaslu is even better in soft snow…

  29. Zoran April 8th, 2010 2:38 pm

    Hi Lou,
    I am getting ready for my Mt. Logan expedition and I just got my new
    Dynafit Mustag Ata Superlight skis (169cm). I was thinking to install
    my Vertical STs on them. I have Zzero4 TFs in size 26MONDO.
    Dynafit recommends FT bindings on Mustag Ata. What do you think about
    having Vertical ST on them? I am not aggressive skier. I think FTs
    will be overkill and they will cost me much more.

    I appreciate your advice.

    Cheers,
    Zoran

  30. Lou April 8th, 2010 3:06 pm

    They are both virtually the same binding. If you don’t need the higher DIN, just go with the ST you’ll be fine.

  31. Kerry April 22nd, 2010 9:00 am

    Lou, a question about Dynafit quality…my 7Summits with just over 1 recreational season of use are showing signs of delamination in one of the shovel bases. One side of one of the bases is about 1mm proud of the edge tapering back to where it should be within 5-cm on either side of the peak. I have kept them waxed and been cautious with the wax iron. How did this happen and should I ask Dynafit to replace?

    Similar concern about inserts…I know two people who have pulled the inserts out of the ski while skiing. Both happened with Dynafit bindings on Manaslu skis. One was with debut season of this ski, other with second year’s ski model. Do you trust the insert technology or drill holes in Dynafit skis with inserts?

  32. Lou April 22nd, 2010 9:53 am

    Kerry, from what you describe the delam is a known defect, we had it happen ourselves once. Whether the skis are warrantied or not is of course between you and Salewa/Dynafit.

    As for the inserts, they are so dependent on being used correctly that I have no good read on if they have inherent problems.

    All I can tell you is that every ski I’ve ever mounted using the inserts is still going strong and that mechanical testing shows screws properly installed in the inserts to be stronger than screws in the average ski without inserts.

  33. Kerry April 22nd, 2010 10:05 am

    “Properly installed insert screws”…do skis come with good instructions on properly installing the insert screws? Thanks, Guys!

  34. Lou April 22nd, 2010 10:13 am

    Mainly, proper install involves being super careful not to over tighten. I’ve messed up myself, it’s easy to do. But I’d say a proper install should also include a dab of epoxy on the screw to lock it and seal it.

    As for instances of the inserts pulliing out, once has to ask if the same thing would have happened if the ski had been mounted without using the inserts? In other words, just because inserts pulled out, was this something to do with the inserts or just an event that would have pulled any binding out?

  35. John S August 27th, 2010 9:55 pm

    Lou,

    I have heard mixed comments about using the lightweight DynaFit skis in the Canadian Rockies, thanks to our shallow snowpack. Lee noticed that the Manaslu is quite delicate compared to other similar sized skis, especially with respect to the edges.

    I have introduced my 11 year old daughter to ski touring, and she is currently on a set of G3 Vivas. They weigh 3200g per pair, which ain’t bad, but compared to the light DynaFit skis, they’re pretty durned heavy. Thanks to the lack of muscle development (hey, she’s 11) she finds hauling the Vivas uphill quite a chore.

    So, I’ve been looking at the Haute-Route and Seven Summits/Superlight for her. They’re skinny, but she’s barely 80lbs. I see that the Seven Summits are a favourite ski of yours. Do you think they have the durability for the Canadian Rockies? No one stocks these skis around here, so having a gander at them seems impossible.

  36. Lou August 28th, 2010 6:52 am

    John, the biggest part of how durable a ski is is how it’s used and the weight and style of the rider. I don’t see how an 80 lb 11-year-old is going to exceed the durability limits of a ski such as Seven Summits. That is unless she is hucking into rock piles, and in that case you’ve got more to worry about than pulling out an edge (grin).

    Overall, it is true that skis vary in terms of durability. Some have thicker edges for example, and some have more structural material in the base and sidewalls, and are thus less prone to impact damage. I’d offer that Dynafit skis are pretty much average in terms of this. And yes, a heavier ski MIGHT be more durable, but that’s not always the case. Type of construction and materials also plays a big role in how durable a ski is. Weight alone is not the end-all be-all way to evaluate the durability of a ski.

    Important point is that yes, skis such as Manaslu may not be as durable as some other ski, so aggressive skiers should be realistic about what’s going to work for them. For the rest of us, we are still delighted that companies such as Dynafit would build pleasantly lightweight skis for those of us who don’t huck into rock piles (grin).

  37. ron cole October 19th, 2010 2:49 pm

    Lou,

    Is the 2010/11 Mustagh Ata Superlight un-changed from last year? I was wondering if they went to a rockered or early rise tip this year? How about this year’s Manaslu?

    thanks

    ronco

  38. Lou October 19th, 2010 4:55 pm

    Hi Ron, last winter’s Dynafit press trip report about skis for this coming season (2010/2011) is here:

    http://www.wildsnow.com/2454/stoke-dynafit-broad-peak-ski/

    As far as I know, Manaslu and MAS are unchanged.

  39. gwyn owens February 22nd, 2011 8:13 pm

    I am 5’6″ and weigh 125lbs. Most of my skis are in the 167cm range (i am a freeheeler). I am looking at getting a pair of Haute Routes for a 2 wk. spring ski tour in the Sierra Nevada. Probably will be carrying a fairly heavy pack. What size ski do you recommend for me? I am leaning towards the 163cm, but am curious about the other smaller sizes. Also, do you have any experience mounting tele bindings on these dynafit insert skis? I am leaning towards a basic simple 3-pin binding with risers.

  40. John S February 22nd, 2011 8:18 pm

    I don’t think it’s easy to mount anything other than a Dynafit ST or FT binding on the insert equipped skis.

  41. Lou February 22nd, 2011 9:59 pm

    Gwyn, mounting telemark bindings on Dynafit skis is ridiculous. They’re not made for tele bindings.

    As for length, just stick with what you know.

  42. Nick March 14th, 2011 11:10 pm

    I purchased some Dynafit Se7en Summits 2 years ago and didn’t drill them until this year (Marker Tour F12s). The Rockies storm season proved to be amazing and these skis asked for more speed the deeper it got. This changed for me last weekend when not one but both ski’s delaminated inside edges in the first heavy spring snow of the year. Riding 170′s may be part of the problem as I weigh in at 168lbs but that doesn’t really excuse a light ski from a construction failure at the first sign of the snow that it’s supposed to excel in. Lighter needs to be just as strong as the freeride skis the rest of the dazzle clothed wanna be’s wear. I hope it was just a cause of the enviromental conditions that I subjected them to… a year without flexing, travel, half the year in the Chugach Range’s boiler plate winter, etc. Higher and steeper means lighter and stronger to me and I want Dynafit to be in my future but I cannot have failures like that because a single day was decidedly too heavy to play in.

  43. Simon05 March 15th, 2011 12:11 am

    Nick, I had the same problem last season. My 7 summits delaminated after 2 seasons of use, so more use than yours it has to be said. I took them to my local shop, which luckily is a dynafit centre, and they were replaced with no questions. I think it may have been an isolated probem with a certain batch of skis rather than a failure of the complete 7 summit design. Hope you get them replaced, it is a great ski.

  44. Lou March 15th, 2011 5:37 am

    Any ski brand can have and many have had defective skis, and yes, certain batches of Dynafit skis did have some delam problems. We had a pair that the base popped off of. As far as I know, Dynafit has always taken care of customers who had such skis. FYI, nothing unusual about Dynafit skis, they’re made by Blizzard with the same solid manufacturing techniques the company uses for their other planks.

  45. Michael Pike March 15th, 2011 9:37 am

    Gwyn, after 50+ yrs telemarking I know you can put a tele binding on anything.
    My Dynafit FR 10′s have been a good tele ski for me.
    However, partly due to this Blog, I have come over to the Light side of things
    ( about 2 lbs lighter) and am looking forward to my Spring Sierra tour on ST’s and Zzero’s. Hope to see you out there.
    Lou, stop scaring off potential converts!

  46. Lou March 15th, 2011 10:13 am

    Sorry ’bout that Michael!

  47. gwyn owens March 15th, 2011 5:25 pm

    i appreciate the feedback michael….i was a bit put off by the ‘ridiculous’ comment–i am an adaptive skier (left ankle has shortened achille tendon with no flexion) so i have to create knee flex by gettin on my toes or flexing from a tele boot….not ideal but allows me to ski…….tele gear is so darn heavy now……i am doing a 2-3 wk. sierra ski tour and am trying to figure out a lightweight setup…….i’d love to use the dynafit skis but am really unsure about putting a tele binding on them—hole patterns don’t match up to the plate and the drilling is all done on the wood of the ski….would love to switch to AT but it’s not really an option with the biomechanical issues i face……again, question is, would you put a 3 pin binding or axl pivot binding on a dynafit ski like seven summits, guide, or haute route plus, knowing you are not drilling into the plate?

  48. Lou March 15th, 2011 5:40 pm

    Gwyn, sorry to be off putting. I’ll shy away from the word ridiculous and just say don’t. There are plenty of skis out there that are light and ski well, but have nice commodious binding reinforcement areas. Look at BD Aspect for example, or K2 Wayback or Shesback. The reason why mounting tele on Dynafit is “unwise” (grin) is that they are not designed for it, so why do it? Sure, people do, but what’s the point? You end up with a weak mount that could result in binding pull-out.

    BTW, my left ankle is fused. But it does have a bit of movement in the sub-talur (spelling) joint. So I guess I’m an adaptive skier as well, though I don’t need to tele.

    Please drop by tomorrow for a ski review that encompasses the above skis.

  49. gwyn owens March 15th, 2011 5:43 pm

    thanks for the feedback lou……just curious with your fused ankle if you have made any adaptations inside your boot or on your ski?

  50. Lou March 15th, 2011 6:15 pm

    Gwyn, at first I played around quite a bit with raising my heel up either inside the boot or by shimming binding. But as modern skis developed and required much less for/afte monkey business to get them to turn, I’ve found I ski fine with no adjustments. But like I said, the ankle does move a tiny amount and I do make sure my forward cuff lean is dialed right where I like it.

    Modern alpine skiing can easily be done with almost no for/aft movement of the leg on the ankle joint. Perhaps you could give it a try, but you probably should expect a learning curve.

  51. Michael Pike March 15th, 2011 6:24 pm

    I have the foam core FR 10′s, from about 05. Perhaps the reason I haven’t had any problems is because I’ve been using the releasable 7TM tele bindings. Any big stressors were mitigated by the release.

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