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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1521/wildsnow-reliability/comment-page-1/#comment-11970</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adger, thanks! Beyond reliability, I do try to keep the site latency down to low levels so it&#039;s snappy. Seems like that&#039;s just a courtesy I can offer all you guys, rather then loading it up with cute gewgaws that slow it down. Amazing how much tempting junk their is out there for Wordpress blogs -- all in good fun till it kludges your site down, introduces a security issue, makes your next upgrade impossible, or just breaks everything the moment you install it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adger, thanks! Beyond reliability, I do try to keep the site latency down to low levels so it&#8217;s snappy. Seems like that&#8217;s just a courtesy I can offer all you guys, rather then loading it up with cute gewgaws that slow it down. Amazing how much tempting junk their is out there for WordPress blogs &#8212; all in good fun till it kludges your site down, introduces a security issue, makes your next upgrade impossible, or just breaks everything the moment you install it!</p>
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		<title>By: adeger</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1521/wildsnow-reliability/comment-page-1/#comment-11960</link>
		<dc:creator>adeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a real can of worms because the term &quot;site testing&quot; or &quot;site reliability testing&quot; is so awesomely vast in its possibilities and interpretation.  Since I run into this just about every day as part of my job (both collecting data and writing scripts to test for site availability and take appropriate automatic actions) I&#039;m going to make the following two points:

1) The more rigorous the test, the less you&#039;ll be able to compare them to anyone else&#039;s numbers.  Three nines is great for this type of site as measured by the type of testing you&#039;re doing (looking for a string on the home page) but expect that number to go down should you start scripting a &quot;click through&quot; or transactional type of test.  Ironically, when you start doing these types of tests you see more problems, fix them faster (than most other sites) but your overall numbers go down because you&#039;re looking for (and probably finding) more problems--more problems than those &quot;other guys&quot; anyway.

2) For a better reliability test (but again will probably get you worse numbers) consider a separate &quot;health check&quot; page.  This would be a page that for a sanity check, self-checks your site&#039;s home page as you&#039;re doing now, but also self checks any major site subsystems (or anything else) that are required to keep your site running (e.g, check a backend database connection, check that the RSS system can be read from, etc).  Either report the results of each or overall site home page and subsystem responses as HTML strings or different HTTP return codes (200=all good, 201=1 error, 202 = 2 errors, 500 = major problems).  The page could even have some fancy script to automatically alert you if/when (major) problems occur.  Ours does and annoys the heck out of us but about every 1 in 3 or so times, saves our backsides.

Just for reference big firms have server farms behind load balancing switches which access a health check page as I&#039;ve mentioned (along with other health checks).  What&#039;s nice about these arrangements is that when a server starts acting up, the load balancer marks it as unhealthy and disallows any more traffic to/from it until all of the health checks start passing again.  That&#039;s why I say your site is doing great at 99.9% availability.  The big guys, with all of the big iron I&#039;ve described should really be getting 4 or 5 nines availability.

Here&#039;s a pretty good listing of a lot of testing/automation resources for the type of stuff we&#039;re talking about.  I think I include it mostly to back up my claim about how vast the field is:

http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

(I can&#039;t speak to too many of these, since I mostly script in native Python sometimes with the Pamie module).

Thanks again for the site; I usually don&#039;t have too much to add, since I&#039;m either usually less experienced or way too late to throw my 2 cents into the discussions but today&#039;s discussion was right up my alley.

And...I&#039;ve always thought performance was adequate if not downright snappy (note that web professional jargon).

All the best!

-ard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a real can of worms because the term &#8220;site testing&#8221; or &#8220;site reliability testing&#8221; is so awesomely vast in its possibilities and interpretation.  Since I run into this just about every day as part of my job (both collecting data and writing scripts to test for site availability and take appropriate automatic actions) I&#8217;m going to make the following two points:</p>
<p>1) The more rigorous the test, the less you&#8217;ll be able to compare them to anyone else&#8217;s numbers.  Three nines is great for this type of site as measured by the type of testing you&#8217;re doing (looking for a string on the home page) but expect that number to go down should you start scripting a &#8220;click through&#8221; or transactional type of test.  Ironically, when you start doing these types of tests you see more problems, fix them faster (than most other sites) but your overall numbers go down because you&#8217;re looking for (and probably finding) more problems&#8211;more problems than those &#8220;other guys&#8221; anyway.</p>
<p>2) For a better reliability test (but again will probably get you worse numbers) consider a separate &#8220;health check&#8221; page.  This would be a page that for a sanity check, self-checks your site&#8217;s home page as you&#8217;re doing now, but also self checks any major site subsystems (or anything else) that are required to keep your site running (e.g, check a backend database connection, check that the RSS system can be read from, etc).  Either report the results of each or overall site home page and subsystem responses as HTML strings or different HTTP return codes (200=all good, 201=1 error, 202 = 2 errors, 500 = major problems).  The page could even have some fancy script to automatically alert you if/when (major) problems occur.  Ours does and annoys the heck out of us but about every 1 in 3 or so times, saves our backsides.</p>
<p>Just for reference big firms have server farms behind load balancing switches which access a health check page as I&#8217;ve mentioned (along with other health checks).  What&#8217;s nice about these arrangements is that when a server starts acting up, the load balancer marks it as unhealthy and disallows any more traffic to/from it until all of the health checks start passing again.  That&#8217;s why I say your site is doing great at 99.9% availability.  The big guys, with all of the big iron I&#8217;ve described should really be getting 4 or 5 nines availability.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a pretty good listing of a lot of testing/automation resources for the type of stuff we&#8217;re talking about.  I think I include it mostly to back up my claim about how vast the field is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html</a></p>
<p>(I can&#8217;t speak to too many of these, since I mostly script in native Python sometimes with the Pamie module).</p>
<p>Thanks again for the site; I usually don&#8217;t have too much to add, since I&#8217;m either usually less experienced or way too late to throw my 2 cents into the discussions but today&#8217;s discussion was right up my alley.</p>
<p>And&#8230;I&#8217;ve always thought performance was adequate if not downright snappy (note that web professional jargon).</p>
<p>All the best!</p>
<p>-ard</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1521/wildsnow-reliability/comment-page-1/#comment-11944</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clyde, I truly appreciate getting an idea of how you web browse, as it keeps me trying to improve things! I&#039;ll work on the issues you pointed out. Lou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clyde, I truly appreciate getting an idea of how you web browse, as it keeps me trying to improve things! I&#8217;ll work on the issues you pointed out. Lou</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1521/wildsnow-reliability/comment-page-1/#comment-11926</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No change in behavior. Something is different from other blogs that publish summaries though. With those, I can click the title and it opens their site within the reader window. With yours, I&#039;m taken out of reader and to your site. So now, if you don&#039;t grab my interest with the first three lines of text, I won&#039;t bother to look at the rest. Before I might have looked anyhow because there are sometimes good tidbits later (news summary for example). I&#039;m sure I&#039;m a tiny minority but just keep in mind that a lot of people with only use blog readers. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No change in behavior. Something is different from other blogs that publish summaries though. With those, I can click the title and it opens their site within the reader window. With yours, I&#8217;m taken out of reader and to your site. So now, if you don&#8217;t grab my interest with the first three lines of text, I won&#8217;t bother to look at the rest. Before I might have looked anyhow because there are sometimes good tidbits later (news summary for example). I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m a tiny minority but just keep in mind that a lot of people with only use blog readers. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Downing</title>
		<link>http://www.wildsnow.com/1521/wildsnow-reliability/comment-page-1/#comment-11921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Lou, you should get a Mac.... I use the Flock browser for my RSS and haven&#039;t had any issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Lou, you should get a Mac&#8230;. I use the Flock browser for my RSS and haven&#8217;t had any issues.</p>
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