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	<title>Comments on: Dynafit FT12 Undressed &#8212; Honey, You Look Marvelous</title>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sole of the boot does not &quot;rest&quot; on the Dynafit brake. The brake is spring loaded, and pushes up on the boot sole and has some give, depending on thickness of sole. That said, to worry about torsional rigidity of Dynafit would indicate someone is not skiing enough. The thing is more rigid than  many  alpine bindings! Seriously. After a certain point, how much play you get side-to-side (when force is applied left/right to the boot cuff) is a non issue. Shoot, the shaft of your tibia moves within muscle and tissue too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sole of the boot does not &#8220;rest&#8221; on the Dynafit brake. The brake is spring loaded, and pushes up on the boot sole and has some give, depending on thickness of sole. That said, to worry about torsional rigidity of Dynafit would indicate someone is not skiing enough. The thing is more rigid than  many  alpine bindings! Seriously. After a certain point, how much play you get side-to-side (when force is applied left/right to the boot cuff) is a non issue. Shoot, the shaft of your tibia moves within muscle and tissue too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slight clarification on my point, just to be clear I&#039;m talking about torsional rigidity in the boot sole. Nordica hs added an aluminum bar into the footbed to achieve this in their race boots. The Dynafit setup &quot;pins&quot; the boot upfront pretty well but the two pins in the back don&#039;t really do much to help prevent twist induced at the boot shaft. Thats where the ski brake dos seem to help some. Lou mentions the &quot;puck&quot; for the AT race boots and I thnk something similar under the heel for the &quot;free riders&quot; would be good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slight clarification on my point, just to be clear I&#8217;m talking about torsional rigidity in the boot sole. Nordica hs added an aluminum bar into the footbed to achieve this in their race boots. The Dynafit setup &#8220;pins&#8221; the boot upfront pretty well but the two pins in the back don&#8217;t really do much to help prevent twist induced at the boot shaft. Thats where the ski brake dos seem to help some. Lou mentions the &#8220;puck&#8221; for the AT race boots and I thnk something similar under the heel for the &#8220;free riders&#8221; would be good</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Dynafit DyNA boot has a micro bit of flex at the ball of the foot, mere milimeters, but Dynafit claims such flex is useful for efficiency in racing (forgive the poor paraphrase).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Dynafit DyNA boot has a micro bit of flex at the ball of the foot, mere milimeters, but Dynafit claims such flex is useful for efficiency in racing (forgive the poor paraphrase).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou do you think the torsional rigidity of the Dynafit boot/binding system is higher in the case where the ski brake gives the sole of the boot something to rest on? In my &quot;grab the boot and pull sideways&quot; home tests it seems there&#039;s a little less slop with the brake under the boot. I ask because it would be nice to have a heel rest that would install on the heel piece for when the brake is removed/unwanted. I don&#039;t want to run brakes just to get more downhill performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou do you think the torsional rigidity of the Dynafit boot/binding system is higher in the case where the ski brake gives the sole of the boot something to rest on? In my &#8220;grab the boot and pull sideways&#8221; home tests it seems there&#8217;s a little less slop with the brake under the boot. I ask because it would be nice to have a heel rest that would install on the heel piece for when the brake is removed/unwanted. I don&#8217;t want to run brakes just to get more downhill performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, a bellows boot would perform no differently in the FT12 than it would in any other Dynafit binding.  

When used in a Dynafit, bellows boots sag while in alpine mode and this not only can cause premature release, but changes the binding DIN setting depending on how much the sagging changes the position of the boot heel on the heel pins. This is prevented somewhat by attaching a &quot;puck&quot; to the ski under the forward part of the boot. Problem is, the boot sole ends up resting on the puck, which can introduce possibly release compromising friction into the otherwise beautifully friction-free Dynafit system (normally, the boot is suspended between the toe and heel units.)

Personally, while I can see that bellows boots might be slightly more ergonomic for lower angled touring and for walking around the parking lot, I don&#039;t obsess on them. I&#039;ve used them extensively (I have F1 and F3) and find that they actually take energy when used with binding heel lifters, as they sag at the bellows each step. And when used with crampons, while doing front pointing they&#039;re definitely not as efficient as a stiff soled boot.

Where they shine, again, is in lower angled touring. That&#039;s why I keep some in my quiver, and is why they&#039;re popular with the race crowd, because most  rando races do not have much steep skinning. Instead, racers use glide optimized skins and sometimes almost look like nordic skiers doing classic stride. 

If your goal is to telemark and AT ski in the same boot, perhaps they have their advantages there. I don&#039;t telemark ski, so I&#039;m not up to speed on that aspect. Though I do have to think that any core telemarker would want a dedicated pair of telemark boots that are set up specifically for telemarking...

Fact of the matter is that building a bellows plastic ski boot has always been a challenge. In terms of doing it for AT skiing, it&#039;s pretty much a solution without a problem -- and just adds cost and complexity to an otherwise elegant solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, a bellows boot would perform no differently in the FT12 than it would in any other Dynafit binding.  </p>
<p>When used in a Dynafit, bellows boots sag while in alpine mode and this not only can cause premature release, but changes the binding DIN setting depending on how much the sagging changes the position of the boot heel on the heel pins. This is prevented somewhat by attaching a &#8220;puck&#8221; to the ski under the forward part of the boot. Problem is, the boot sole ends up resting on the puck, which can introduce possibly release compromising friction into the otherwise beautifully friction-free Dynafit system (normally, the boot is suspended between the toe and heel units.)</p>
<p>Personally, while I can see that bellows boots might be slightly more ergonomic for lower angled touring and for walking around the parking lot, I don&#8217;t obsess on them. I&#8217;ve used them extensively (I have F1 and F3) and find that they actually take energy when used with binding heel lifters, as they sag at the bellows each step. And when used with crampons, while doing front pointing they&#8217;re definitely not as efficient as a stiff soled boot.</p>
<p>Where they shine, again, is in lower angled touring. That&#8217;s why I keep some in my quiver, and is why they&#8217;re popular with the race crowd, because most  rando races do not have much steep skinning. Instead, racers use glide optimized skins and sometimes almost look like nordic skiers doing classic stride. </p>
<p>If your goal is to telemark and AT ski in the same boot, perhaps they have their advantages there. I don&#8217;t telemark ski, so I&#8217;m not up to speed on that aspect. Though I do have to think that any core telemarker would want a dedicated pair of telemark boots that are set up specifically for telemarking&#8230;</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is that building a bellows plastic ski boot has always been a challenge. In terms of doing it for AT skiing, it&#8217;s pretty much a solution without a problem &#8212; and just adds cost and complexity to an otherwise elegant solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Dresser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Dresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if there was any info out there to address the question of Magnus on October 30th, 2008 re: Scarpa TX-Pro bellows flex and the Dynafit FT12.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if there was any info out there to address the question of Magnus on October 30th, 2008 re: Scarpa TX-Pro bellows flex and the Dynafit FT12.  Thanks.</p>
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