Comments on: Roads,Trails and Bulldozers http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/ Backcountry Skiing Weblog Blog, FAQs, more, links and info about randonnee, telemark and backcountry ski mountaineering. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:25:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Randonnee http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/comment-page-1/#comment-10393 Randonnee Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:30:42 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1162#comment-10393 Quote: "I think they bulldozed a bunch of so-called roads in Utah when the new roadless rules under Clinton were about to take affect. " Very possible, Tony. In my home area, one of the Proposed Roadless Areas during the Clintoon land grab has well-used and maintained roads. I drive or snowmobile those roads regularly. Fortunately, that area was left out of the Roadless Area anti-human use land grab... Ethics, facts, reason...all fade away from Bureaucracy. Quote:

“I think they bulldozed a bunch of so-called roads in Utah when the new roadless rules under Clinton were about to take affect. ”

Very possible, Tony.

In my home area, one of the Proposed Roadless Areas during the Clintoon land grab has well-used and maintained roads. I drive or snowmobile those roads regularly. Fortunately, that area was left out of the Roadless Area anti-human use land grab…

Ethics, facts, reason…all fade away from Bureaucracy.

]]> By: Tony http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/comment-page-1/#comment-10392 Tony Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:03:36 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1162#comment-10392 In some areas it has been a preemptive move against any new roadless designation/legislation. They can then justify leaving the "road" open, or resist any new wilderness classification by pointing to the "road" that already exists. I think they bulldozed a bunch of so-called roads in Utah when the new roadless rules under Clinton were about to take affect. In some areas it has been a preemptive move against any new roadless designation/legislation. They can then justify leaving the “road” open, or resist any new wilderness classification by pointing to the “road” that already exists. I think they bulldozed a bunch of so-called roads in Utah when the new roadless rules under Clinton were about to take affect.

]]> By: Jeff Prillwitz http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/comment-page-1/#comment-10389 Jeff Prillwitz Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:58:07 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1162#comment-10389 What is really at play here is the bigoted mindset that anybody who engages in motorized recreation is "too lazy to walk." Following that logic the forest service believes that the "improvements" actually help and are wanted. Several years ago I had a conversation with a member of the Colorado Mountain Club. The CMC wanted to help the forest service "improve" a trail and he just couldn't understand why off-road motorcyclists wanted the trail to stay the way it was, difficult with rocks etc. Erosion control wasn't an issue. The CMC wanted to make the trail easier and it was beyond their closed minded understanding as to why a so-called lazy dirt biker would want it to remain difficult. What is really at play here is the bigoted mindset that anybody who engages in motorized recreation is “too lazy to walk.” Following that logic the forest service believes that the “improvements” actually help and are wanted. Several years ago I had a conversation with a member of the Colorado Mountain Club. The CMC wanted to help the forest service “improve” a trail and he just couldn’t understand why off-road motorcyclists wanted the trail to stay the way it was, difficult with rocks etc. Erosion control wasn’t an issue. The CMC wanted to make the trail easier and it was beyond their closed minded understanding as to why a so-called lazy dirt biker would want it to remain difficult.

]]> By: Lou http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/comment-page-1/#comment-10383 Lou Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:35 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1162#comment-10383 Funny how officials play the rescue/emergency card when it comes to this stuff. What a joke. Rescue guys are mad dogs with their ATVs and 4x4s. A moderately rough road like that is nothing to them, in fact, most of the SAR guys I know love it. Funny how officials play the rescue/emergency card when it comes to this stuff. What a joke. Rescue guys are mad dogs with their ATVs and 4x4s. A moderately rough road like that is nothing to them, in fact, most of the SAR guys I know love it.

]]> By: Toby http://www.wildsnow.com/1162/roadstrails-and-bulldozers/comment-page-1/#comment-10382 Toby Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:52:13 +0000 http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=1162#comment-10382 Cool link EZE. Living in Denver I have been up that road quite a few times. What comes to mind is the idea that when you live in a rural or out of the way area don't you need to assume some greater risk and cost for things like services and access to your own property? The sheriff in the article comments on the need for access for emergencies. But by that logic how many more roads in high mountain areas are going to need repair? It isn't practical and this whole issue seems to be a solution in search of a problem. Cool link EZE. Living in Denver I have been up that road quite a few times. What comes to mind is the idea that when you live in a rural or out of the way area don’t you need to assume some greater risk and cost for things like services and access to your own property? The sheriff in the article comments on the need for access for emergencies. But by that logic how many more roads in high mountain areas are going to need repair? It isn’t practical and this whole issue seems to be a solution in search of a problem.

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