Novella or Dynafit Gear Review? Rob Delivers.


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My Dynafit Zzero boots, ski and binding setups have allowed me to satisfy my long quest for the perfect ski touring setup. Admittedly, I have some level of addiction to owning randonnee ski gear since that perfect setup, rather than one rig, is in my case, three separate combinations of boot, binding and ski. Those rigs are:

- Zzero4 C TF, Comfort, and FR 10 178 cm, with Coll Tex 60/40 mohair/nylon skins for powder as the widest and “biggest” rig in my ski touring quiver
- Zzero3 C TF, Speed ,and Seven Summit 178 cm with Coll Tex nylon skins for wet/ granular snow is the versatile all-around rig
- TLT4 EVO TF, Speed, and K2 Chogori 174 cm with nylon Ascension skins is my lightest and most comfortable, but still capable and versatile, rig.

Colorado backcountry skiing.
Rob, on one of his three rigs.

As the culmination of my ski touring gear quest I feel that these boot and ski combinations are all well-matched and give great performance.

My use of the gear is for randonnee ski touring in the Washington Cascades, mostly in the Wenatchee Mountains to the east of the crest. I enjoy traveling through beautiful and elegant mountain terrain equally as well as skiing powder. When skiing downhill in the backcountry, I am conservative and have never been injured throughout more than 1000 ski tour days since my first skinny-ski touring in 1976. Thus, I am not pushing much on my ski touring gear as far as style is concerned. I like to be smooth, but I am a bit large for someone that ski tours this much at 225 pounds plus a well-packed ABS backpack on powder days. The gear on my feet is certainly tested for durability.

The 88 waist FR 10 seems to be as wide of a ski as I want to walk around the mountains on, and except for powder skiing I prefer a narrower ski for mountain travel. Starting in March when my tours will include ski carry and walking on hard snow, rocks, and dirt I prefer the 3-buckle boot.

Some individuals (my wife?) may view the purchase of the Zzero4 and Zzero3 as, uh, extravagant or worse (along with another snowmobile purchase last spring). Having done so and now having used the gear for many days in various snow and terrain conditions, I am very pleased and feel that the choice is justified. That is a good thing, since I promised said wife to buy no ski gear for myself for at least three seasons (except in the case of replacement of broken gear — amazing how that occurs just when you need something, is it not, dear?)

Dynafit backcountry skiing.
Backcountry skiing in the Wenatchee Mountains.

In regard to the Zzero4C TF I will confirm all of the superlatives directed toward the boots thus far, and will respectfully disagree with the few less than glowing comments. The Zzero4C TF is indeed light, powerful, well made, smooth-functioning and comfortable ski touring boot. The buckles and walk/ski lever function well and are of high quality. The boot fit me so well out of the box that I did not heat the liners, and it continues to fit well after 50+ ski tour days. At this point after many great powder days, I almost take for granted the stiff, powerful performance of the boot, similar to a lift-gear feel, applied to my moderately stiff FR 10 ski.

In my use, the Zzero4C TF does feel a bit tall for walking and side hilling. This tall feeling is not really an issue during powder snow season, but is noticeable on steep side hilling when the base is a firm crust and somewhat more so with the 88 mm waist FR 10. This condition also accounts for my continued use of narrower-waisted skis such as the 80 mm Seven Summit and 70 mm Chogori for some crusted snow or tour conditions. The Zzero4C TF is noticeably light. However my size 29 pair still weigh 8 lbs on the local shipping store scale. It appears that the increase in size from the usually advertised size 27 boot to my size 29 results in a significant comparable weight increase in all of my various boots.

The Zzero4C TF replaced my 3-buckle Aero TF which is a significantly stiff 3-buckle boot that weighs 8.8 lbs. for the pair. While significantly lighter, the Zzero4C TF compared to the Aero 3-buckle gives easily 30 to 40 percent more power for downhill skiing. Before owning the Zzero4C TF I sometimes wished that my FR 10 ski would be easier and more versatile, but the powerful Zzero4C TF boot with carbon-stringer stiffened cuffs now pretty much has its way with that ski. To summarize my take on this boot: Get some.

Below the cuff, the Zzero3C appears to be much the same boot as the Zzero4C — light but solid and stiff. The lateral cuff carbon stringers found on the Zzero4C are not on the Zzero3, and the feel of the cuff is less stiff as one would expect. I would expect that if the Zzero3C cuff was carbon-stringer stiffened it may be uncomfortably stiff for such a shorter (than the Zzero4C) lever. The shorter cuff makes for a much different boot feel that is excellent for my use. The fit was the same, I did not heat the liners since it fit so well, and continues to fit well. The buckle and walk/ ski lever are of similar high-quality.

Dynafit backcountry skiing.
Access gear.

One small problem with the Zzero3C is that the overlapping shell under the top buckle tends to override itself when the top buckle is left open for walking. Aside from that, I really like the Zzero3C TF on my Seven Summit skis. With the Zzero3C TF and Seven Summit skis I have skied corn, powder, crust, breakable crust, wind pack. That rig does well in all conditions.

My bigger rig, FR 10 and Zzero4C, have more power but also more weight for walking and for me the higher cuff of the Zzero4 is noticeable and at times less comfortable than the Zzero3C. So, to restate it, the Seven Summit and Zzero3C perform solidly in all conditions, no complaints, with excellent all-condition versatility. With the shorter cuff on the Zzero3C I find my self bending my knees more, perhaps getting more of the comma body position in tougher snow conditions when compared to the stand up and point ‘em capability of the heavier rig, the FR 10 and Zzero4C.

Ski touring side hill on crusted snow, walking and kick-stepping on snow, and walking on rocks or dirt is considerably more comfortable and efficient using the Zzero3C when compared to the Zzero4C. The light weight of the Zzero3C TF on one’s feet is impressive. My size 29 Zzero3C TF boots weigh 7.3 lbs for the pair. The comfort and light weight is the big advantage, however the power/ performance of the Zzero3C is also impressive. The 7.3 lb. Zzero3C TF is a leap forward improvement in both weight and performance over my 8.8 lb 3-buckle Aero TF. I am pleased to own the Zzero3C TF, and I find it to be my favorite for the intended-use/conditions.

Dynafit backcountry skiing.
President, CEO and chief bottle washer for the RRC (Republican Randonnee Club), how does the club sticker look on the 7 Summits?

For comparison I should discuss and contrast my TLT 4 EVO TF/ Speed/ Chogori 174 cm rig. Yes, my third, lightest weight rig has a place for ski touring, and I truly enjoy it. The boot and ski are well-matched for balanced performance. I have enjoyed turns in all conditions including some powder with the setup. The Chogori is a very capable and versatile ski, it carves well carrying my large carcass even at 174 cm length. The size 29 TLT4 EVO TF boot weighs 6.7 lbs., just 0.6 lbs less than the much-more powerful Zzero3C TF.

Less weight isn’t everything — the TLT 4 EVO TF boot is also much more comfortable for walking on skis, or on snow, dirt, rocks, or just standing around. The flexible cuff of the TLT 4 EVO TF is quite comfortable,though it does yield less turning power for the downhill. In spite of the lack of power, I enjoy making turns using a different style while using the TLT 4 EVO TF, compensating for more powerful (and heavier) gear with technique, style, and less speed. For walking around tight terrain, covering miles, and skiing downhill on moderate terrain this rig is excellent.

So which boot would I pick, more, which rig would I pick, if I could have only one? Difficult question. All three of my setups are well-balanced and I can have fun skiing my usual tours in any condition on any of the three. I recall transitioning away from lift gear and lift ski-style when my randonnee skiing displaced lift skiing, so I understand that some skiers accustomed to lift gear, or more hardcore downhill skiing, may prefer the bigger, stiffer gear in order to enjoy the tour. Without a snowmobile to cover the road miles to get to the good stuff, I would less prefer the Zzero4C TF, but when the powder is steep and deep the Zzero4C TF is the boot to have. Perhaps the logical answer for me would be the Zzero3C TF and Seven Summit, a rig with excellent capability in all conditions. But, perhaps not….luckily I don’t have to decide.

Dynafit backcountry skiing.
Blackie tries to show Rob he doesn’t need all that gear. But then, who’s in front?

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(Guest blogger Rob Mullins lives in the Washington Cascades with his family. His life has included a succession of careers that allow him to live in the mountains and ski tour a lot.)

Comments

34 Responses to “Novella or Dynafit Gear Review? Rob Delivers.”

  1. brian April 18th, 2008 8:05 am

    I have just bought a pair of Scarpa Matrix AT boots. I am having difficulty getting used to skiing them after my Alpine ski boots. I have had the forward lean adjusted all the way forward but still have trouble staying in the middle of my skis, after a couple of turns i end up on the tails. Has anybody had a similar experience or any suggestions? I am using Fritschi freeride+ bindings.
    Love the blog, so much good information about almost anything you might want to know.

  2. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 8:38 am

    Brian, I have had similar experiences in the past, especially when I first skied with light flexible boots. I adjusted my ski style with emphasis on the basics- strict hands forward, knees properly bent, proper body position, unweight, etc., and compensated, and feel that my skiing technique was really tuned up while adapting to less support and power from the boot. If the boots do not give a strong feel in certain difficult snow conditions, I will revert to initiating with a step or even a wedge turn which can be very effective on tough snow- after all, I prefer to keep my head out of the snow and will give up style points while ski touring to do so. I put in some time doing lift laps with randonnee boots to get the feel of them. The easy fix now is to get one of the big stiff boots like the Zzero4 that are near lift-boot feel for support and power. Otherwise, I found that refining my ski stance and keeping good form will compensate for boots to some extent. I also found that matching boot to ski is very important. After skiing on the Valais Haute Route in 2000 with 9 lb Nordica boots that performed very well but felt a bit heavy, I decided to get the light but flexible Dynafit TLT 3 to use on a stiff Hagan 190 cm ski. The TLT 3 just did not crank that stiff ski easily- it could be done, but with the limits of the boot it was not that fun for me. That boot was best used with flexible and perhaps short skis. I sold the TLT 3 and got the then new stiffer Dynafit TLT AT, and that boot did well on that stiff ski.

    Best, Rob

  3. Lepistoir April 18th, 2008 8:59 am

    Glad to hear someone larger can ski the 7Summits 178s as I felt I would need something larger (6’2″ 195). Would love to have a pair right now for the steeps that are opening up.

    Speaking of which, Lou, have you seen the LP webcam today? How close do you think it looks to “in” as in skiable?

  4. Tony April 18th, 2008 9:57 am

    Rob, what is the weight difference between the Zzero C 4 and Zzero C 3? Only really interested in the difference between the two shells.

  5. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 10:00 am

    Lepistoir, I feel that my Seven Summit flex is stiffer than my old K2 Shuksans. I just compared flex in the gararge of my wife’s new K2 167 cm Shuksans to my178 cm Seven Summit and feel that the Seven Summit is stiffer, especially in the midbody and tail. That said, I really like my old Shuksans, but feel that I needed to ski more gingerly on the Shuksan compared to the Seven Summit. It is all relative, however, as my FR 10 is considerably more stable for stand and point ‘em compared to Seven Summit or Shuksan.

    Best, Rob

  6. Rahul Dave April 18th, 2008 10:02 am

    Whats the width of these shoes? I too have the scarpa matrix (its my only ski shoe) and have to discipline to be weighted equally. But its biggest problem is the width of the sole..i have narrower/longer feet. So to get the right length for walking/skinning comfort i had to go up a 1/2 size and consequently swim a bit and must crank down to the very end of range on the shoes.

    Are the zzeroes thinner soled? The 4 seems like a great sidecountry boot to use with my freerides and 170 jak bcs (i’m 135 lbs, 5’8″), and i could leave the matrices for my smaller thinner rig (bd ethics, 158, dynafit..ya i know thats a small length but it was

  7. brian April 18th, 2008 10:03 am

    thanks rob, I have been skiing lift loops, and it does seem to be getting better/ easier. I take your point on paying attention to form and am doing that too. Your point about matching ski to boot is interesting though, I have been using a pair of black diamond havoc’s which are quite a stiff ski. I was wondering too about the binding/ ski/boot combination. The feeling i get on the skies is that its hard to stay forward and also to keep my knees bent, I feel too tall??
    is that making sense?

  8. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 10:08 am

    Tony,

    There are several models of the Zzero 3 and Zzero 4, so look closely on the Dynafit website. My boots are the green carbon thermofit models.

    “The Zzero4C TF is noticeably light. However my size 29 pair still weigh 8 lbs on the local shipping store scale.”

    “My size 29 Zzero3C TF boots weigh 7.3 lbs for the pair. ”

    Best, Rob

  9. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 10:24 am

    RahulDave,

    My feet are somewhat wide. In the US shoe width is A,B,C,D,E etc. and I wear a D.

    I would consider the Zzero 4C TF as a full-on touring boot. Not that long ago, many of us had 9 lb plus touring boots. I have purchased nothing but touring-worthy boots since my last new lift Lange boots in 1993. I have toured sidecountry, including skinning and booting, in those Langes on Fritsches/ Dynastar. There are some nice looking monster randonnee boots out there that I see here on Wildsnow for sidecountry.

    I am finding short skis to be fun sometimes. While on my 174 Chogori for a crust-tour last March I found some decent powder in tight trees and just had fun zippipng through the trees on the 174 cm Chogori. I learned to ski in the 70′s on 180 cm lift skis so 174 cm is the shortest ski that I have ever skied. If I could have an unlimited quiver, I would be tempted to try some 174 cm K2 Baker Superlight in powder in trees. My neighbor likes his Superlights a lot.

    Best, Rob

  10. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 10:40 am

    Brian,

    My experience is that boot/ ski match is very important unless one is planning to accept certain performance limitations for a specific purpose. As far as the sitting back, sometimes a simple heel wedge will stand you properly. Or you can pay for a competent boot fitter, and that is a gamble in my experience since you may pay some and get a mediocre fitting result. If you put a wedge in your boot watch out for problems inside the boot after you move your foot eg new pressure points. Although I cranked turns on my FR 10 skis just fine in soft snow with my 3 buckle Aero boot I disliked it on firm or hard snow and actually developed hip and back problems after 40 + days ski touring on that setup because of the unbalanced leverage that was not countered by the boot, thus was transmitted into my body. I do have some joint problems, since I have blown my right ACL while crashing my Husqvarna motocross motorcycle in 1976 and it is unrepaired, so alignment issues and age made me susceptible to problems. I have rehabbed those problems and am better than ever and with my matched rigs I have no joint pain or back pain right now at age 51. Being pain free is huge since when I was younger and logged and ski patrolled in my 20s and 30s I lived with a lot of joint and back pain. My point is that proper gear matching, alignment, and boot fitting is an important factor on several levels.

  11. Joel April 18th, 2008 2:18 pm

    Rob,
    do all republicans work this little?

  12. Rahul Dave April 18th, 2008 3:01 pm

    Rob,
    Thanks a ton for the advice…will check em out!

  13. Lou April 18th, 2008 3:39 pm

    Regarding Longs Peak, it looks a bit dry on the webcam, for a quality ski descent. Might be enough snow for a “list check” bony descent.

  14. Lou April 18th, 2008 3:46 pm

    The whole point of the vast right wing conspiracy is to eliminate work and ski as much as possible, that’s what the RRC told me, anyhow.

  15. Randonnee April 18th, 2008 4:30 pm

    Joel,

    Q: Rob,
    do all republicans work this little?

    A: Well, the smart one like me and Lou, anyway. Those Bush tax cuts for us wealthy Republicans help, too ; )} !

    (hmmm…I may know who this Joel is, eh?)

  16. Rick April 18th, 2008 4:37 pm

    Brian,
    I would highly recomend taking the front plate off of you your Fritschi toe piece. It will improve the foward delta of the binding and allow your tip to have a better flex as well. Both helping you stay forward. I had the same problem and I was really happy after I did it.

  17. Lou April 18th, 2008 7:39 pm

    What Rick said, always bears repeating. But watch your screw length if you do that.

  18. brian April 19th, 2008 6:54 am

    thanks all, will try taking the toe piece off. I think also its the snow at the moment here in the French alps, we just had a dump of heavy wet sludge, about 12″ and today I found it tough on alpine bindings and boots.

    Cheers
    Brian

  19. North_Bend April 19th, 2008 2:14 pm

    Rob,

    Well written and thought out. Aside from not heaping praise on your local tech and not answering the question of why Republicans love not working, great job!

    I know Rob and I know he thinks though the artform of matching “horsepower / suspension” with his skis and boots, which I think he has pretty well.

    We’ll get you on the Manaslu’s next…you’ll dig them.

    Love the Captain America helmet, BTW!

    -Your friends in NB.

  20. Fernando April 19th, 2008 3:01 pm

    I toured on Garmont Adrenalins on Fritschi bindings for the last several years, I just switched to Zzero4 C TFs and Dynafit Vertical ST bindings (and Jak BC100 skis). The lower weight makes a huge difference, the better pivot point makes walking uphill much more natural, and the bindings have handled very well everything I could throw at them (I don’t jump cliffs). I don’t think this is a sidecountry setup. If I could ski and skin straight 8am-6pm on the previous setup, I’m sure I’ll do way better on long day tours with the new setup. The forward flex of the Zzeros is very smooth (unlike the Adrenalins, which flex until they reach a hard stop), and their lateral stiffness is better than on the Adrenalins (those carbon fiber stringers). And they walk better than the Adrenalins.

  21. Randonnee April 19th, 2008 8:25 pm

    Hey North_Bend,

    Great to hear from the self-ascribed “Bleeding Liberal Randonnee Club” : )}!! Where is my new Pro Ski sticker? It is impressive how many Dynafit-riding RRC recruits and others that I see in the backcountry have with a Pro Ski sticker in place.

    It is indeed true that I have received great support for my Dynaft gear from Dynafit but especially from Caley, Joe, Martin and the guys at Pro Ski. Those guys hooked me up years ago and I still drive over to the wet side to their shop even though I am told gear is sold about 1000 ft. from my home. On the Dynafit website is a page listing 19 US “Competence Center,” including Pro Ski, and I will confirm that. This is my opportunity to thank everyone for quickly replacing my new FR 10 ski that I managed to break after a few outings. What truly causes puzzled looks is when I tell people that I broke the FR 10 while ascending steeply on a narrow ridge to avoid avalanche hazard. I was climbing on the highest heel setting and the screws ripped out of the ski on one side of the heel piece. I had to ascend another 100 ft or so over a knob and another mile or so back to the snowmobile in deep powder, and the ski broke where the pulled screws had apparently damaged the otherwise strong carbon box. I have skied now 3 seasons on the skis and trust them but I do not use the highest heel setting. As my pal Ludwig so nicely reminds me, “all that weight requires some strength to move.” Yeah, yeah. The guy that sold me Husqvarna motorcycles and parts told me that I could “bend a crowbar in a sand pit!” I am clearly outside the normal operating curve for Dynafit gear, but after some initial learning to use Dynafit bindings I have confidence in the gear and it works well for me.

    The helmet is a Grivel ice climbing helmet and is so light. I have worn it now 8 years including along the Haute Route. One time at Whistler an indignant French-speaking Canadian pointed at my helmet and said, “What’s this (‘thees’), Grivel is from Italy!”

  22. Blair Mitten April 19th, 2008 11:24 pm

    Useful article. I had trouble getting into my Dynafit bindings and replaced them with Diamir Explore bindings. I love the ease of entry, mode shift, and heel lift height.(Comprimised ankle dorsi-flex from climbing fall…) I just bought some nice light Movement Strike skiis at a sale and I am loathe to add the extra weight of the Diamirs. My question is, have you found the newer modified sockets that Dynafit installs in their latest boots ease the entry of the boot into the binding in real world snowy and blowy conditions?
    I have been told that the toe piece of the Diamir can release the toe in touring mode when snow or ice builds up under the toe of the boot during normal striding. I ski similar snow to you, just north in southwest B.C. Have you experienced this problemo?

  23. Randonnee April 20th, 2008 8:56 am

    Blair,

    The newer modified Dynafit socket adds some degree of ease of entry. Since I have adapted to using the old Dynafit socket well, it is hard for me to judge how much easier is the new socket.

    Indeed you have described the advantages of the Diamir Explore, as well as the downside- the weight. I still have one Diamir binding on my lift skis. Likewise one must learn to overcome the idiosyncrasies of the Dynafit Binding, and some have a hard time with the Dynafit. My wife remains on Diamir. I let two different friends use one of my rigs while we ski toured this season, and during their first day dealing with the Dynafit binding I saw their frustruation even though I was instructing them. There is a bit of a learning curve with Dynafit bindings.

    It is easier to use a step-in binding, for sure. However, after learning on the Dynafit to clear the ice beneath the spring, centered between the front pins, I really do not get frustruated. As far as the boot socket icing problem, I just tap my boot toes against the opposite boot and my sockets seem to remain clear. When I get in the pins and feel that the pins are partially blocked by snow or ice in the holes, I just swing my foot and rotate on the pins, and take a few stomps and steps and then I am usually able to pull up the front locking lever. Admittedly, a few extra steps but well worth it. In spite of it all, I do come out of Dynafit occasionally while walking, but I am also able to release out of my Diamer bindings on the maximum DIN while walking if I do not pay attention, so attention to how one is walking my be important as well.

    My theory is that one is 20 percent or more faster walking just with the weight reduction of using a Dynafit binding. Aside from that it is so comfortable during the tour, appreciable even in normal use where one is not trying to max out speed.

  24. Lou April 20th, 2008 1:30 pm

    My theory with Dynafit is they are simply not for everyone, only for folks who are motivated to really master a binding that’s a bit more complex to use than Diamir. This is not a value judgment — plenty of folks do fine on Fritschi. That said, if you do decide to master the use of Dynafit, in my opinion the weight savings and fluid stride are well worth it.

  25. Blair Mitten April 20th, 2008 9:58 pm

    Thanks folk. I am going to think about this for a bit. One thing, I really like the Diamir flip down ice claws, (I can’t spell harscheeiss….) might not want to give them up. Tim remarked, while we were dropping 2000′ into a spectacular cliff bordered drainage behind Grouse Mountain today, just over the hill from Vancouver, B.C., that he had had problems with kicking the toe out of the tour-locked Dynafit toe binding when traversing steep hard snow slopes. Has anyone had that issue?

  26. Lou April 21st, 2008 6:05 am

    Blair, many things can cause the Dynafit not to lock well in tour mode. Ice in the boot sockets, ice or hard snow packed under the binding in the pocket below the toe wings, or just uphill technique that’s too agro. Fritschi requires less thought and skill, so sometimes a better choice.

  27. David April 21st, 2008 7:13 am

    Thanks for the detailed Zzero review. I’m looking to replace my Garmont Megarides next year, largely because the liner packs out so fast and I bought a shell size that is too small accommodate an Intuition liner. How well are the Dynafit liners holding up for you?

  28. Lou April 21st, 2008 7:49 am

    David, I’d say my Dynafit thermo (TF) liners pack out at about the same rate as Garmont (I’ve heat gunned once to puff them, after about 30 days of use). I don’t mind this, as I like the cushy foam because I use the boots for lots of climbing and long tours. Upgrade to Intuition for a bit less packout, and always mold thermo liners with bare feet if you want snug fit.

  29. Dave April 23rd, 2008 10:26 am

    It’s good to find something I agree with a Republican about…the Dynafit Zzero4 C TF’s are great. Once we get a Democrat back in the White House and this awful economy improves maybe more people will be able to afford them!

  30. Randonnee April 24th, 2008 9:18 am

    Dave, I am also happy that we agree on the Zzero 4. Yesterday using the Zzero 4 I had easy fun turns in some wet spring new snow. I am married to a Democrat, BTW…but she tolerates me anyway : )}.

  31. Lou April 24th, 2008 1:04 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Ford the last skier we had in the White House? I don’t know what to make of that, but the word “Vail” comes to mind.

  32. Randonnee May 2nd, 2008 9:23 am

    My TLT 4 EVO TF/ Speed/ Chogori 174 cm rig was excellent yesterday for a ridge walk to a summit, and a ski on nice corn snow down the open summit block then through open Larch forest. The 70 mm waist works so wel, effortlessly, while sidehilling hard snow The short ski is great for quick uphilling in some forest and up a narrow ridge That boot is so comfortable, yet fun on the downhill within its limits- just a little less speed than the bigger rigs. The approach included snowmobiling with wheels on the snowmobile skis on pavement and gravel, a stop to chop a 12 inch log across the road, then a high ridge crossing on snow. The TLT 4 EVO TF boot is just so comfortable all around and as well is a pleasure for walking over skins and a little ridge rock scrambling.

  33. Lou May 2nd, 2008 2:36 pm

    Rando, which wheel kit do you use for your sled?

  34. Randonnee May 2nd, 2008 5:22 pm

    Sure Grip Dollies. Nothing fancy, pretty basic. So far so good. If they fail I may make something better, but they hold up so far.

    The Ski Wheelz look nice, auto flip-up, and are made for newer models, but I was told none are made to fit my old Tundras.

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